Report: US tortured then executed 37 captured Iraqis outside of Najaf

Whether this is true or not, Iran has also just called all neighboring countries to intervene...This is just the sort of report that would sway them to do so.


http://www.tehrantimes.com/Description.asp?Da=8/21/2004&Cat=2&Num=7

37 captured Iraqis summarily executed: sources

Tehran Times Political Desk
TEHRAN (MNA) –- Thirty-seven civilians and militiamen loyal to rebel Shia cleric Moqtada Sadr were summarily executed last Monday in camps established by U.S. army intelligence units on the outskirts of Najaf, informed sources in Najaf have said.

Afterwards, the bodies of the victims were abandoned in the rubble of the battles in the city, added the sources, who requested anonymity.

The sources also reported that the U.S. occupation forces tortured the captives before summarily executing them.

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Here's Iran's call for action:
http://www.tehrantimes.com/Description.asp?Da=8/21/2004&Cat=2&Num=5

Iran calls for urgent OIC meeting on Iraq

TEHRAN (Agencies) -- Iranian President Mohammad Khatami on Friday asked the heads of Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC) countries to urgently convene to seek solutions to the worsening Iraqi crisis.

"The Iraqi interim government is in a difficult situation vis-à-vis the crisis in the holy city of Najaf, immediate action must be taken to end the escalating violence in that city," the Iranian president said.

Never mind! Israel and Iran are exchanging threats, now this! Damned this illegal invasion!!!

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top-secret though, sorry :hi:

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i was just ad libing...



but he gives us plenty of material to work with :evilgrin:



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containing the bodies of Iraqis killed by U.S. occupation forces will soon be unearthed in Iraq."

Two can play at that game.

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Read it?

http://www.tehrantimes.com/Description.asp?Da=8/21/2004...

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Your description is inaccurate; I am getting the idea that, on the contrary, what you say is not to be accepted.

After bombing and strafing many cities and shooting anything that moves for an extended period, this is not difficult to conceive of. Collections of graves surrounded by the recently widowed may be found in every province; they were martyred in resistance to the Baathists, so now they do so in resistance to your friends with little difference between them, except this time the effectively Baathist regime in Baghdad has AC-130s and Marines to fight beside.

This report seems more likely than not to be a propaganda exercise. That service has not seemed too reliable oevr recent months.

That there are probably sizeable graveyards as a result of U.S. military actions, though, is probably, and regretably, the case. The stadium at Falluja, for instance, would certainly qualify. Most readers, however, coming upon the phrase "mass graves to be unearthed" tend to view it as meaning an execution site, where the dead were killed and buried en masse while captive to the murderers. There does not seem to be any evidence of such actions by U.S. forces in Iraq.

when I'd have agreed with that. But after the prison abuse / torture scandal, I would't put anything past our fucking Government. Nothing at all is out of bounds anymore.

These days they are dug on a daily basis, like they were when Saddam besieged Najaf, surrounded by families of widows. I hope you are proud of your friends?

Less credible than al-jazeera or Faux news.

When a real news agency starts reporting this, I'll move it from the "Fiction" section.

are touching.

Perhaps the Iraqis are torturing themselves?
Just to make the US look bad?
I trust this "unbiased" article is more to your taste,
dear Mr. geek tragedy.

Gordon Bishop is a national award-winning author, historian and syndicated columnist. He is the recipient of 8 Congressional Commendations, 12 National and 15 State Journalism Awards, including New Jersey's first "Journalist-of-the-Year" -- 1986/New Jersey Press Association.
http://www.americandaily.com/article/112

Gordon Bishop is a national award-winning author, historian and syndicated columnist. He is the recipient of 8 Congressional Commendations, 12 National and 15 State Journalism Awards, including New Jersey's first "Journalist-of-the-Year" -- 1986/New Jersey Press Association.

It's easy to see why Gordon Bishop can't stop winning awards for his "journalism": he likes his dead Arabs piled high.

against people for questioning the veracity of a news report from a totalitarian state?


I can't decide whether your response is dumber or more insulting and offensive.

Fuck it. Welcome to my ignore list. You earned it.

Rather, what regional governments, and the infamous
'street' feels about the story is likely to be the important opinion.
This will certainly de-stabilize our supporters in the region (it would be a far too elevated term to call them allies, we have none).

There is a tipping point we are fast approaching. Once crossed, the djinn will not go back into the bottle for all our wishing it were so.

I'm sure there are all kinds of crazy rumors that a lot of people over there believe.

"Iraqis hate American occupiers" is not news, imo.

the Masjid of Haz.Imam Ali(pbuh) has had enough for now. They could then stroll north and paint over the Masjid of Imam Shahid Husayn(AS) with pig's blood. Having the Zionist state stable a thousand horses in Masjid al-Aqsa in occupied Palestine would be the next logical step. General Boykin doing a line of cocaine off the Ka`ba black stone would cap off the crusaders' spectacle wonderfully.

So things could still get worse, but ... well, they'd have to really work at it..

the maladmin would have preferred if I remember correctly. Not saying that makes it more credible, but I'd rather move it to the "pending" file than "fiction".

Help me out here a bit. What exactly IS a "real news agency" these days? I have a hard time believing 1/2 the crap being reported these days.

Some places are a close call. Iran isn't.

That's just my take, though.

and comparing it to Fox is an insult to Arabs. Okay

Our current actions in Iraq allow stories like this credibility in the Arab world (truth really doesn't enter into the equation). We've got some rough times ahead in the next 5-10 years all thanks to W and his bullshit war.
(BTW I think that this story probably isn't true we generally like to do our mass killings from high above these days)

Ever seen the movie, "Afghan Massacre Convoy of Death"?

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3267.htm

The film provides eyewitness testimony that U.S. troops were complicit in the massacre of thousands of Taliban prisoners during the Afghan War.

I saw the movie about a year ago and one of the members of Physicians
for Human Rights who went to Afghanistan to investigate this was there.

I have seen that film and you are correct. With that tragedy there is a lot of evidence to support the claims. If more proof and information comes up regarding this story I will definitely go with the facts. However, this article doesn't really provide much of that yet just anonymous sources. I'll be watching for more reports of this and further developments in the world press.

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The result is bringing even more of the Arab world into the Al-Queda mindset, and all as a result of the proven torture in Abu Ghraib.

is that Iran is gearing up the propaganda machine to justify to their people a strike against Americans in Iraq.

My biggest fear is that Bush is goading them to attack Iraq (something Iran has always wanted to do anyway) so that Bush can have a nice little war (a new one) in time for the election.

This kind of saber rattling on the part of Iran (it sounds like pure propaganda bullshit) should worry everybody. If Iran jumps into this mess it's gonna make what's happened so far look like a sixth grade football game.

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Iraq, we have our hands completely full with the insurgency, if the Iranians roll across the border, we are in big trouble. They are not exactly two-bit, they have a sizable, well trained military with good equipment.

If Iran jumps into this mess what's your proposal? Now we're up against a standing army of 518,000 plus 350,000 reserves, not to mention our ass already being handed to us on a platter in Iraq.

Two bit trouble maker my ass. Get your facts straight then get back to me.

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Don't you see that?

Bush is trying to goad Iran into this mess so that he can have a nice war in time for the election and people will gather 'round him in a time of war so we can all fight the NEW enemy Iran.

You're falling right into this trap.

Maybe you want to.

The only way we could beat Iran is to nuke them. George wants that.

Do you?

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Answer me that

They died for the political convenience of the criminals of the '00 Coup, as these construed it early in 2002. As matters have developed, these "Mayberry Machiavellis" seem to have miscalculated....

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"

We cannot drag Europe into a holy war. Not even Britain will go for that.

That is what we are about to get.
It will not be a military cake walk, and 150K troops on hostile turf are not going to be much of a speed bump when pincered between Iran and Syria. Particularly since we will lose the Saudi royals about that point in time. I doubt that Pakistan will stay onboard, either.
But if Pakistan turns it's back to the east, they fear India will attack. So they will have to preemptively nuke them as well.

Any regional state with the bomb that isn't Israel will use it on them.

At that point we will have zero allies, and the rest of the non-muslim world both scared and angry at us. Welcome to 2005, chumps.


Put the entire picture together and you have the mother of all Charlie Foxtrots.

Then I'd like to see you describe it thusly..

There is a rising tendency of impotence on the part of your friends at one level and their masters in general when it comes to forcing their will upon the world. When you bark, nothing happens; indeed, some of the others are starting to bark back, and you can't really do much about it. It's hard to bully people around when they're not afraid anymore, even with this sort of macho bullshit posturing.

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History lesson for you: NO ONE USES NUKES UNILATERALLY!!!

In Korea, we were almost overrun at several points by Korean and Chinese soldiers. Did we nuke them?

In Vietnam, we WERE overrun by N. Vietnamese soldiers. Did we use nukes in an effort to prevent this?

Unless Iran used a nuclear weapon in the confrontation first, there is virtually no possibility that the US would resort to nuclear weapons themselves. The civilian casualties would be enormous, and with our troops mixed up in the fighting, do you propose we bomb our own positions with nukes to get the Iranians?

We are already doing so well over there don't you think? General Custer keeps popping into my mind for some reason.

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Yeah, we've really been holding back in Iraq.

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We're completely tied down and overextended in Iraq.

Bush has managed to render our country defenseless by using up our entire military in a place where it never needed to be in the first place.

Now he's sucking what military we have left out of places like Korea and Europe so they can continue to go to waste in Iraq.

I'm glad you're proud of your military, but to quote a line from "Aliens" -- "In case you haven't noticed, we're getting our asses kicked!"

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The policy of invading Iraq was his alone, and the only rreal motive for it his political convenience, as he imagined it would be two years ago.

"Kill one, warn one hundred."

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"

Is true, so far as it goes. A conventional force invasion of occupied Iraq by Iran would be smashed, and amount to suicide. A program of infiltration, of demolition cadres and trainers with sophisticated munitions and money, would be much more difficult to deal with, and could cause a great deal of harm. It would be a thing both difficult to halt on the ground in Iraq, and politically very difficult to retaliate against Iran's domestic infrastructure over.

However, I dare say that your "fightin' words" come across as mostly bluster. Not that I doubt the ability of our soldiers or their hardware to perform, but lets step back a moment and regard the facts.

Iran, has a multiple of the population of Iraq (65 mil to 22 mil, 2000 est.). I don't think their military machine has been hobbled by a decade of sanctions, and it seems like we already have our hands full next w/ Shiites, Sunnis, Ex-Ba'athists, and al Qa'ida next door.

Not that I have any great love for the theocrats in Tehran, but perhaps it's time to back off from picking more fights and look for ways to avoid them instead.

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Hm, it seems our armies are completely tied down at the moment.

How would you propose, sir, that we invade a country that actually has an airforce, a country that wasn't destroyed 13 years ago and degraded by 13 years of sanctions?

A country that is very very far from our own home turf?

A country that has home field advantage?

How do you propose invading this country, and taking it?

With whose army, to use an old quote.

See, what Bush has done is completely fuck up our national security by rendering our military virtually USELESS by having it tied down in IRAQ.

The only way we could defeat Iran right now is to nuke them.

Is that what you want?

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Welcome, and get ready buddy. If you say anything positive about our efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan, they will say you are a liar and spreading propaganda.

Give me something positive that's happened to Iraq since we arrived. Saddam Hussein's gone? Jury's still out on that one, my friend. Iraq may very well end up with someone worse.

Don't equate Iraq with Afghanistan--most DUers don't. It's a popular misconception.

I dont know of any sweeping goodness. I only know of small things. My friends are all medical personell. I know of several lives that have been saved after insurgents blew up cars inorder to kill innocent civilians, but that is it. Give it time.

and I don't doubt that there are many hard-working, well-intentioned people over there--

isn't that something we kind of owe them, seeing as we invaded their country in the first place? Killed 40K+ of their soldiers, most of who didn't give a shit about Saddam but it was the only job around? Killed 10K+ civilians?

You can find moments of kindness in any tragedy. But the bottom line is this--this war was doomed from the start. Its roots were not in justice, but in fear. I don't care if you have every weapon on the planet, that recipe adds up to failure every time.

but I've been lurking here for quite some time, and most of the people on this board realize that most of our soldiers are fine human beings who are actually as much VICTIMS of this massive crime called a "war".

We want our soldiers to come home, we want them to get out of the mess they're in, and we don't want to lose any more of them.

And we don't want any more crimes committed in our name, with our money.

Your generalizations about people on this board are simply wrong. If you were to actually read the posts here with something approaching an open mind, you'd realize that.

Reply, alas, will be impossible....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=user_profiles&u_id=149041

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"

From a long-time lurker, and still somewhat infrequent poster, I say welcome to you too, sir.

They are blowing up cars to kill collaborators with the foreign occupiers, or those foreign occupiers.

You know what's really interesting? People didn't get blown up by car bombs in Iraq AT ALL, EVER before the US invaded.

Hope that helps.

...In this story, it really only matters what the Iraqis believe. Because they're the ones with the ability to get up close and personal & kill our soldiers.

Somewhere between 950 & 960 dead already - might hit 1000 before September, if this gets any traction.

http://www.icasualties.org/oif/

This site lists 951 plus 43 unidentified for a total of 994
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/iraq_casualties.htm

http://dailywarnews.blogspot.com/

don't you think? not exactly from an impartial source either...

though i'm not sure what to believe anymore. :-(

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We do not do this kind of stuff. It is against the UCMJ, the Geneva Convention, the US Army Code of Conduct, and just plain human decency!! I cant beleive anyone would actually entertain that the tehran times is unbiased.

Not saying it's true; it's highly suspect. But there is plenty of evidence of American war crimes on a smaller scale, and the Pentagon has consistently and repeatedly lied about it (remember the "wedding party massacre?"). With no reporters in Najaf it's very hard to determine what the hell is going on.

I put the Pentagon on equal footing as the Tehran Times for veracity.

Lights, water, gentleness and Jesus's sweet sweet love--that's all we are bringing to Iraq, really and truly. Whoever doubts that,can't wait to spit on some veterans.