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Tamyrlin79 Donating Member (944 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 11:20 PM
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Kerry ----> Dean ?
Is it me, or is Kerry using this speech tonight to morph himself into Howard Dean for the general election???

I mean, "all hat, no cattle" is definitely a Dean line... Other clear Dean echoes, too, throughout the speech...
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boxster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 11:22 PM
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1. "All hat, no cattle" re: Bush has been around a lot longer than Dean.
n/t
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 11:23 PM
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3. I love Howard but
I first read this from Molly Ivins.
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jean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 11:24 PM
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6. not positive, but this might be an Ann Richards phrase
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 11:31 PM
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10. It's definitely a Texas based phrase
And Molly Ivins has used it often. Probably Ann Richards as well. And yeah, the Doc did use it effectively as well. But being from Vermont, I doubt he'd seek the copyright on that one.
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jean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 11:42 PM
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17. as Nov approaches we can say, 'stick a fork in him, he's done'
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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 11:22 PM
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2. He probably had...
a long conversation with Dean today and Dean got him all riled up. LOL! Yes!!!
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 11:24 PM
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4. That was Dennis up there on the stage with him
Much of that same fire is also Kucinich.
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ksatriyakiller Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 11:34 PM
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14. dennis is a sellout, sold iowa votes to edwards
dean is the true anti-war candidate. dennis is a cheap sell out. little munchkin giving his supporters false hope of winning and wasting their time. what is dennis doin g now and compare that to the work howard is putting in. dennis sucks, he wants to be howard.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 11:49 PM
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18. What a rotten thing to say. Is the rabid right giving out lessons
on how to be mean and vindictive?
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belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 12:51 AM
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19. zzzzzzzzz
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 01:01 AM
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22. I wondered about that too
One thing he did was make a point (twice) to say the power is in our hands. That's straight from Dean...and it was a big thing for how he energized us.
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 11:24 PM
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5. Lots of borrowing from Dean and others tonight
Edited on Thu Sep-02-04 11:24 PM by jpgray
But I'm sure they don't mind at this point. Excellent speech, in my view.
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 11:29 PM
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7. Has Kerry always said "idear"?
Yeah, I know he's from New England, but I don't seem to remember him saying that in the primaries, so is that a borrowed "Deanism"?
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Catch22Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 11:30 PM
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9. I've heard it several times
Always gives me a chuckle when I hear it from him, or anyone else. I'm from Okla. after all.
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 11:29 PM
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8. I live in cattle country
this is not a Dean line. It is a very old cowboy saying. Sorry, Dean did not come up with this.
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Tamyrlin79 Donating Member (944 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 11:32 PM
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11. I wasn't saying he invented it...
In fact, he got it from grassroots supporters in Texas on his blog. But, he is the only one in this campaign I saw use it... until tonight.
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 11:32 PM
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12. If Kerry can "morph" himself...
...and catch some of the Dean energy, and still WIN, realizing that the media is NOT our ally, then I'm all for it. Just remember, Dean is an independent operator, and does not officially advise the Kerry campaign.
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Tamyrlin79 Donating Member (944 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 11:34 PM
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15. However...
they do talk pretty frequently, I hear.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 11:33 PM
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13. Here is the website for All Hat....owners are members here, I think.
http://www.allhatnocattle.net/
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ksatriyakiller Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 11:39 PM
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16. KERRY IS NO DEAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
otherwise we would be up 20 pts in the polls.
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belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 12:52 AM
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20. zzzZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzz
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 12:58 AM
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21. how is that so?
:shrug:
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