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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 09:56 PM
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Stop the draft!
Mandatory draft for boys and girls (ages 18-26) starting June 15,
2005, is something that everyone should know about. This literally
effects everyone since we all have or know children that will have to
go if this bill passes.

There is pending legislation in the house and senate (companion
bills: S89 and HR 163) which will time the program's initiation so
the draft can begin as early as spring, 2005, just after the 2004
presidential election. The administration is quietly trying to get
these bills passed now, while the public's attention is on the
elections, so our action on this is needed immediately. Details and
education as a shelter and includes women in the draft. Also,
crossing into Canada has already been made very difficult.

Actions:

Please send this on to all the parents and teachers you know, and all
the aunts and uncles, grandparents, godparents. . And let your
children know - - it's their future, and they can be a powerful voice
for change!

This legislation is called HR 163 and can be found in detail at this
website: http://thomas.loc.gov/ Just enter in "HR 163" and click
search and will bring up the bill for you to read. It is less than
two pages long.

If this bill passes, it will include all men and ALL WOMEN from ages
18 - 26 in a draft for military action. In addition, college will no
longer be an option for avoiding the draft and they will be signing
an agreement with the Canada which will no longer permit anyone
attempting to dodge the draft to stay within its borders. This bill
also includes the extention of military service for all those that
are currently active. If you go to the selcet service web site and
read their 2004 FYI Goals you will see that the reasoning for this is
to increase the size of the military in case of terrorism. This is a
critical piece of legislation, this will effect our undergradates,
our children and our grandchildren. Please take the time to write
your congressman and let them know how you feel about this
legislation. www.house.gov www.senate.gov

Please also write to your representatives and ask them why they
aren't telling their constituents about these bills and write to
newspapers and other media outlets to ask them why they're not
covering this important story.

The draft $28 million has been added to the 2004 selective service
system budget to prepare for a military draft that could start as
early as June 15, 2005. Selective service must report to Bush on
March 31, 2005 that the system, which has lain dormant for decades,
is ready for activation.

Please see www.sss.gov/perfplan_fy2004.html to view the Selective
Service System annual performance plan, fiscal year 2004.

The pentagon has quietly begun a public campaign to fill all 10,350
draft board positions and 11,070 appeals board slots nationwide.
Though this is an unpopular election year topic, military experts and
influential members of congress are suggesting that if Rumsfeld's
prediction of a "long, hard slog" in Iraq and Afghanistan (and
permanent state of war on terrorism) proves accurate, the U.S. may
have no choice but to draft.

www.hslda.org/legislation/national/2003/s89/default.asp entitled
the Universal National service Act of 2003, "to provide for the
common defense by requiring that all young persons (age 18-26) in the
United States, including women, perform a period of military service
or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national
defense and homeland security, and for other purposes." These active
bills currently sit in the committee on armed services. Dodging the
draft will be more difficult than those from the Vietnam era. College
and Canada will not be options. In December, 2001, Canada and the
U.S. signed a "smart border declaration," which could be used to keep
would-be draft dodgers in. Signed by Canada's minister of foreign
affairs, John Manley, and U.S. Homeland Security director, Tom
Ridge, the declaration involves a 30 point plan which implements,
among other things, a "pre-clearance agreement" of people entering
and departing each country. Reforms aimed at making the draft more
equitable along gender and class lines also eliminates higher
education as a shelter. Underclassmen would only be able to postpone
service until the end of their current semester. Seniors would have
until the end of the academic year.

Just type "congress" into the aol search engine and input your zip
code. A list of your reps will pop up with a way to email them
directly. We can't just sit and pretend that by ignoring it, it will
go away. We must voice our concerns and create the world we want to
live in for our children and grandchildren.
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UpsideDownFlag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 09:57 PM
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1. looks like a good time to like become a flaming homosexual, eh?
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jpyron Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 09:59 PM
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2. Either that or
Canadian eh
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Dragon Turtle Donating Member (258 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 10:14 PM
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6. Canada has an extradition agreement with the US.
But not with some of the european countries.
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LiberalBushFan Donating Member (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 10:00 PM
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3. not gonna work this time
Edited on Tue Sep-07-04 10:01 PM by foktarded
They hate gays in the military except when they need em for world domination.
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UpsideDownFlag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 10:03 PM
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4. hmm, that wont work this time?
i'll bet i could be gay enough that they wouldn't want me. heh heh.
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DerBeppo Donating Member (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 10:11 PM
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5. Rangel's bill
someone remind me why exactly Democrats are the ones submiting this?
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 11:26 PM
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9. It's equal opportunity
No TANG for Richie Rich. He's trying to get out ahead of the pukes and make them vote against a draft, any draft, so they can't pull any dirty tricks, like, "automatic exemptions for anyone named Biff, Buffy, or with "the third, the fourth" etc, at the end of their name.
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LiberalBushFan Donating Member (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 10:40 PM
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7. kick
Edited on Tue Sep-07-04 10:44 PM by foktarded
will keep kickin draft threads till Kerry brings it up.

He'll have to be clever about thing though since the idiot Democrats created this bill. Now when the Repubs are asked about it, they'll just say "Actually, it was DEMOCRATS who created this bill." Thanks for bailing them out, Rangel you dumbass.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 11:16 PM
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8. This thread should be removed.
THere are too many inaccuracies in this stupid Stutz email from the summer.

Here is the truth:

It turns out that the SSS has presented a secret 6-page proposal to the Pentagon and given to the Congress that calls for the creation of a “Skills Draft”, conscripting men and women up to age 34 for non-combat jobs such as linguist, computer specialist or engineer—the first three occupations the DoD has already identified as being in short supply. Modeled after the Medical Draft, the secret document, dated Feb.11, 2003, is a real shocker and obtained only through the FOI Act by a reporter from the Seattle Post-Intelligencer.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/171522_draft01.h...

If this is created after Bush’s re-election, DoD could theoretically ask for hundreds of different occupations to be drafted. The SSS, right this very minute is designing procedures and a massive database that would track everyone who had special skills—including their entire skill set and most important, their address.

Why would Bush need such a large draft? The answer lies in the secret plan that Wesley Clark revealed in his book Winning Modern Wars: Iraq, Terrorism, and the American Empire:

“I went back through the Pentagon in November 2001, and one of the senior military staff officers had time for a chat. Yes, we were still on track for going against Iraq, he said. But there was more. This was being discussed as part of a five-year campaign plan, he said, and there were a total of seven countries, beginning with Iraq, then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Iran, Somalia, and Sudan. So, I thought, this is what they mean when they talk about ‘draining the swamp.’"

Assuming Libya is now off the list, according to Clark Bush and the neo-cons plan to invade 5 more countries. That need does not include trying to defeat the insurgents solely with the U.S. military as a re-elected Bush might attempt. Bush, moreover, is building 14 permanent bases and huge intelligence centers in Iraq and has no intention of ever leaving that oil to the Russians or even worse, the French.

The major media cover hardly anything that John Kerry says, especially if it is about the draft. So you would never know it, but John Kerry has a No-Draft Plan, a plan to strengthen the military in key areas yet draw down U.S. troop levels in Iraq by internationalizing the situation and then getting out as soon as possible.

Here are the five main points of Kerry’s No-Draft Plan:

1. Move some paper-pushers to combat (lots of potential there)

2. Increase enlistment with real scholarships, benefits and pay raises

3. Let troops know Special Ops will hunt al-Queda, no more invasions needed, so re-up rate goes up. "Primarily a law enforcement effort, not a full military effort", said John Kerry on Meet The Press.

4. Start a "Civilian Stability Corps" that would help in reconstructing Afghanistan and Iraq and relieve military pressure. It would be kind of like the Peace Corps—but on steroids.

5. GET FOREIGN TROOPS TO COME INTO INSTEAD OF LEAVE IRAQ.
Kerry gave some details about the proposed Civilian Stability Corps, made up of volunteers:

"...I propose that we enlist thousands of them in a Civilian Stability Corps, a reserve organization of volunteers ready to help win the peace in troubled places. Like military reservists, they will have peacetime jobs; but in times of national need, they will be called into service to restore roads, renovate schools, open hospitals, repair power systems, draft a constitution, or build a police force. A Civilian Stability Corps can bring the best of America to the worst of the world—and reduce pressure on the military."
- Source: Kerry, John. "Protecting Our Military Families in Times of War: A Military Family Bill of Rights." March 17, 2004. http://johnkerry.com/pressroom/speeches/spc_2004_0317.h... >

In April, on a conference call with 130 College Newspaper Editors, Kerry said “No Draft”, that he would have a sensible foreign policy that would not require reinstatement. And in June, Kerry told a Wisconsin high school that if elected, a draft would be "absolutely unnecessary".

Kerry’s plan calls for increasing active-duty troop levels by 40,000 people. He also doubles the number of Special Ops troops. Half the 40,000 being added are civil engineering/reconstruction specialists and half are combat, costing an extra $7 billion, but it relieves the pressure on the Guard and Reserves for overseas deployments and essentially saves the Volunteer Army. $7 billion is well worth not having to bring back the draft!

Kerry charges that Bush is ruining the Volunteer approach with long Guard and Reserve deployments and numerous stop-loss orders, which Kerry says is a “Back-door Draft”. Since Kerry will increase pay, benefits, scholarships and reduce long deployments of regular troops and the reserves, if he is elected the re-enlistment rates and recruitment rates will return to normal. Recently, troops returning from Iraq are reportedly leaving the Service in huge numbers, although denied by DoD (see David Hackworth, Voting With their Feet http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38... ).

With this No-Draft Plan, Kerry will not have to resort to conscription, even after Bush has made such a mess of it in Iraq. Kerry has also pledged that he will push renewable energy development and true energy independence, “so that we never again have soldiers dying for oil”.

Kerry has criticized the inequality of the draft, that the poor and minorities are inducted in higher numbers than their fair share and that the draft is a source of conflict. John Kerry will not reinstate the draft—outside of the invasion of the United States by China or something like that.

The choice is thus clear to all voters. Vote for Bush and you are also voting for the resumption of the draft—to man his hidden agenda of invading more countries and staying in Iraq forever.

Or vote for Kerry and you are voting PNAC out of the White House, and with it Bush’s hidden agenda to bring back the draft so U.S. companies can dominate the world’s remaining oil supply.

Finally, a draft is morally reprehensible, an infringement of freedom against the principles of the Constitution. We know that Bush cares nothing about morality when it comes to Iraq and that Kerry has over the years always expressed real opposition to the draft for a number of moral and ethical reasons. Having lived through the Vietnam era, Kerry knows well the long history of conflict and opposition that the draft has wrought.

John Kerry will not reinstate the draft, but Bush is secretly gearing up the whole system right now for the summer of next year.

Moral opposition to conscription goes all the way back to the year 1814. In a response to a proposed draft to fight the British, Daniel Webster perhaps said it best:

“Is this, sir, consistent with the character of a free government? Is this civil liberty? Is this the real character of our Constitution? No, sir, indeed it is not.

"The Constitution is libeled, foully libeled. The people of this country have not established for themselves such a fabric of despotism. They have not purchased at a vast expense of their own treasure and their own blood a Magna Carta to be slaves.

"Where is it written in the Constitution, in what article or section is it contained, that you may take children from their parents, and parents from their children, and compel them to fight the battles of any war, in which the folly or the wickedness of government may engage it?"

BUSH ’04 = DRAFT ‘05

KERRY '04 = PNAC OUT THE DOOR!
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