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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 04:11 PM
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They cite Bush's Hon. Discharge as proof of his service, but in reality it
underlines the lie of his "service."

From an AP story, ' White House spokeswoman Claire Buchan, responding to the Globe report on Wednesday, said, "The president was honored to serve his country. He met his obligations, and was honorably discharged."'

That's bullshit. I have an Honorable Discharge, and I showed up for duty every goddam day so lumping his "service" in with mine is a slap in the face.

Look, if you don't show up for duty, you are AWOL (absent without leave), and if you are AWOL long enough then you are considered a deserter.

The fact that he received an Honorable Discharge after blowing off YEARS of his active duty committment does not mitigate the crime: it AGGRAVATES the crime.

If you are a regular Joe and you desert, you get a Dishonorable Discharge and possibly some quality time at Ft. Leavenworth.

If you are the son of George Herbert Walker Bush and you desert, you get an Honorable Discharge.

Any veteran who votes for Bush is full of shit.
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 04:12 PM
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1. Same pull that got him in the ANG got him his discharge. Simply as that.
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Jack from Charlotte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 04:28 PM
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11. Here are 2 articles showing what happened to non-Bush AWOL guardsmen
during the Viet Nam War. This guy missed 7 training sessions ..... and how many did Bush miss?



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jean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 04:15 PM
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2. did he ever earn his way into anything? Surely he didn't earn a spot
at Harvard Bus. School, having been a 'C' student at Yale.

He's had preferential treatment for nearly every position in his life that you could name. His father, uncle or their influential friends positioned bush AND covered up his consistent failures with their money and prestige.

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charlyvi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 04:15 PM
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3. How come the same talking heads...
didn't site Kerry's medals as proof of his valor. They're idiots. The whole point of the question is, yes--HOW DID BUSH GET AN HONORABLE DISCHARGE. Not the fact of his getting one.
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 04:28 PM
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12. Bingo! WHY, WHY, WHY did he get an Honorable?
Please tell me, a veteran, how he could POSSIBLY have skipped out on all those months and months and not at LEAST have gotten an Article 15 or a Letter of Reprimand?
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charlyvi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 04:38 PM
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13. To sum it up....
WHO'S YOUR DADDY?
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chelsea0011 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 04:15 PM
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4. Walter Robinson, Boston Globe reporter, can't explain why
Robinson just stated on CNN that he can't explain why Bush got an honorable discharge for not fulfilling duty obligations. When asked by Judy Woodruff if any of his commanding officers can explain why, Robinson stated that two are long dead and there is no explanation why he got an honorable discharge from Texas when he didn't finish his training there.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 04:24 PM
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8. GW Bush did not serve honorably...
He went AWOL but still accepted the pay. That is dishonorable.

Anyone else would have have recieved a Court Martial and be immediately put on active duty and shipped out. Of course he couldn't fly any plane because #1 the plane he was trained for was mothballed and #2 he refused to take a mandatory physical. If someone else was in this situation what would have occured to them in the Air National Guard?
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alonso_quijano Donating Member (240 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 04:20 PM
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5. Just reply: "The Honorable Discharge IS the fraud."
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SheilaT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 04:20 PM
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6. I'm also under the impression
that you have to screw up quite badly to get a less than honorable discharge. Although I've never been in the service, so I may be wrong, maybe it's quite easy to get a less-than-honorable discharge. I do know there are several different categories of discharges.
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 04:26 PM
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9. Of all the thousands of folks I met in the service, I think 5 got less
than an Honorable. I know one got a Bad Conduct Discharge (also called the Big Chicken Dinner :P) for blowing off required alcohol counseling, and a couple got General Discharges for smoking dope (repeat offenses)

You have to fuck up to get either one of those.

Not showing up for formation? Blowing off a flight physical? You would have definitely got in a shitload of trouble.
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Papa Donating Member (505 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 04:21 PM
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7. Republicans have double standards
It's hard for me to comprehend how a Republican can not entertain the thought that Bush got special treatment. He was honorably discharged, end of story. It's implausable to them. If someone got an honorable discharge, they deserved it and served honorably.

BUT


If it's a Democrat, then somehow they can entertain the thought that there was a conspiracy, that official records don't amount to a hill of beans, and that medals in Vietnam were handed out willy nilly and don't mean jack shit. It boggles the mind.
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dogtag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 04:27 PM
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10. why aren't the Democrat talking heads
ready for the honorable discharge response. This is making me crazy. Everyone knew this was coming. We're behind the eight ball as it is with Wolfie, Judy, Tweety, etc. and now that the door is wide open, we don't seem to have good rebuttals. Geez.
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