Get this Straight Now.. There is NO Escape, no place to run to, Bush gets

in, the Future is fucked beyond repair.

We have no choice but to ALL get behind Kerry to put Bush behind us. The man would drive this great Nation to the ground just as he does when riding Segways, Sofas, and Bikes.

Under Bush, we got attacked by terrorist rats who snuck in rather easily...as bush did nothing to upgrade the system as suggested to him many times.

Under Bush we lost too many jobs and regained cheap ones that barely pay the rent.

Under Bush our National Debt increased way past 7 TrillionSSS and our annual deficit is a staggering 500 to 700 Billion$$$

Under Bush we went to war for what amounts to::: OIL at a cost of 1000 lives and 7000 wounded and another 20,000 with PTS. We are not looking good at all.

We have hurt and disappointed too many friendly Nations. Freedom Toast came back to haunt us.

Under Bush, the terrorist attacks will increase and become worse, as the prison escapades and the evangelism efforts have made too many Islamic Fundamentalists crazy with anger.

Under Bush women will suffer.

So will the under classes.

etc etc

Everything on your list is according to the plan.
they stole the election four years ago-
What exactly is going to change?
We are SCREWED.
BHN

There is a window of fixing the damage....

minded folks all act with courage and vigilance. If we have to rattle the media..we'll do it. If we have to monitor every polling place...we'll do it. distribute hand bills....we'll do it.

If we have to drive a van of folks with no cars to the polls...we'll do it.

This is THE election of our lifetime.

Come, we go eat spam musubi.

If the election in November were legitimate, but it won't be.
98 million out of 115 million projected votes will be tabulated, in secret, with no oversight, by Republicans.
As long as Republican Party operatives count the votes in total secrecy, how could any Democrat win?
For details on the upcoming Stalin-style "election":

http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20040816&s=dugger&c=1

"It's not the people who vote that count. It's the people who count the votes." -Joseph Stalin

The fools deserve what they are about to get!

Are you included in that broad statement. We were robbed on the last election. That doesn't make everyone stupid.

Yes, if this is allowed to happen, the world will laugh at us all, but they won't have long to laugh!

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Were you?

everybody who DID NOT converge on washington DC on coronation day to DEMAND a full accounting of the presidential vote was/are very stupid, and deserved what they got with the first * presidency.

if it's repeated this time, the same goes.

the name Varmintpoontang that is giving me an uneasy feeling. Hmmm, maybe I'm not reading it right.

Even dedicated Dems I've talked to lately say it's over.

The sheeple get what they deserve. I hope it hurts them enough to open their fucking eyes. And I hope WE survive it.

And by the way, for the Homeland Security types, I hope that Cheney has a coronary very soon.

Bake

If it all goes to pot, you're all welcome to come to NZ. We'll have a grand end o' the world party. :evilgrin:

Welcome to the Fourth Reich comrade!

Sending cigars, beer, and ribs

We can still knock back a vast amount of tequila before the radiation gets the agave!

Cause we will not want to see the horrid shit that will take place!

Where be you?
Come, we must have a DU gathering in NZ...
PM me!
BHN

welcoming dissidents from the US should our worst fears become reality. We've got experience in fighting an occupation, and we will not sit still. If I've understood it right, Norway was the country in the world most opposed to Bush - 74% Kerry. You'd be with likeminded, educated, mostly intelligent, compassionate people.
KitSileya

That is good to know!
I am investigating New Zealand as a destination,
but am open to all possibilities- I also have dear
friends in Germany and the UK.
I can not stay here; this is not America anymore.
The rise of the brown shirt x-tians is truly scaring me.

BHN

Not to say that Norway doesn't have its own share of problems, even with brown-shirts, but it it's so social-democratic that even its legitimate rightwing parties are practically to the left of the Democratic Party on most social issues. Even with a prime minister from the (centrist) Christian party (a priest, no less) the finance minister is an openly married gay man from the Conservative party.

KitSileya

political dissidents - Even from the United States, which until now, has probably never been considered by most nations.

Norway, like so many European countries, have all but closed their borders to immigrants, but they do still accept their quota of refugees. Several of my former students were the sons and daughters of political refugees from Iraq, Kurdistan, etc. Right now, we've got a conservative government, who do try to restrict the flow of refugees, especially after some incidents such as when mentally unbalanced refugee stabbed passengers on the metro, killing one and injuring several others, and after the case of Mullah Krekar, one of the leaders of Asar al-Islam, who's got refugee status in Norway.

However, chances are very good that the current government will lose the elections next year, and a liberal leftist government will take its place. I fear the real strike against you will be your passport- people will be reluctant to believe that a Western country would be anything but properly democratic. Everyone knows that despots and tyrants are a dime a dozen in Africa and Asia, but in 'white' countries? No, it can't be so!

I look very Scandinavian, so I thought maybe I could just blend in or something and nobody would notice.

I wonder if things in Europe would change if it was found out that our governement was rounding up liberals/dissenters and putting them in prison camps for trumped up charges of sedition or treason.

I really don't think that it is much of stretch to imagine that if Bush* steals another 4 years.

I don't it's that unlikely Bush starts jailing dissenters either. Good thing is, Norway is not member of the EU (no having to fight Blair) and not even the Conservative party will endorse Bush - 74% is a heck of a lot of voters that don't like Bush. We'll probably be one of the firsts to let refugees come.

My first thought was the UK, but then I wondered how well I'd fare with a Bush*-friendly government.

to let you know that we have just been witnessing the rise of black-shirt Christians here. :evilfrown:

http://www.destinychurch.org.nz

My Goddess their march against Civil Unions was frightening. I'll post an article in GD.

if Kerry was leading in the polls right now he would worry that he would lose. Kerry does better when he is facing possible defeat.

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the post was a call to arms. What good is your "south paw" if you don't bother reading the posts properly?

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i had to change my ID and I will lecture if I want. If you only want to hear from people who think that whining and bitching is the only way, then put me on ignore. I am sick of Kerry Crybabies. It does no one any good.

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I hate whiners and I am not ready to say Bush will win. If you think that's credible logic then I feel really sorry for you.

so far, the only whiner in this thread has been you. The OP calls for ALL to get behind Kerry and you claim that's admitting defeat? I don't get YOUR logic.

But turning on people for expressing their despair
is not very compassionate or productive.
Here is an idea-
Instead of insulting other DUers for feeling hopeless,
give us your list of reasons to hope!
We could use some hope.
BHN

That's not very nice.
But welcome to DU none the less.
BHN

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Tell your neighbors that election day is November 3rd. ;-)

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of threatening our collective well being that may prove catastrophic. Billions will die due to Famine, War, and resultant disease. Bush will take us back to the point of being inqunsequental in the Space Race. We Humans will not matter anymore...we will be MOOT.

You're right. I see a lot of, "If Bush wins, I'm moving to Canada." Well I'm Canadian, and if Bush wins, where can I go? Another four years of this and the whole world is fucked forever.

Stay and fight, please, everyone. Your victory will be the world's.

decisions.

This at the worst time possible as we run out of resources to feed ourselves and the energy requirements now exceeding the demand from a limited reserve.

The energy crunch comes at a time when we need more to stay alive and hold the status quo and prevents improved systems to emerge solving our pressing problems....

That this absence/rejection/ignoring concepts and suggestions toward solutions hampers us is not noticed at a higher Level is stifling Humanity no end. There is no cause and effect. We are not demanding better solutions strong enough...

the rest of the world hates Bush but doesn't transfer that hate to the American people. They know the thug repukes stole the 2000 election. However, if the bastard gets legitimately elected this time around, the blame will be placed on our shoulders and the world will become a lot less safe for ordinary Americans.

People voting for the chimp are screwing themselves, their fellow citizens, and their country.

here at my home in Canada, in the event bushies rig this one too. Sadly, you're right though, we can't hide here...he's already tapped Martin to expand drilling out West.

We need our brothers and sisters to stay and fight, but we can keep the pressure on our govt. not to cooperate with the bush regime.

Kerry/Edwards '04
Rodham Clinton '08
:grouphug:

There's no way I'm the first to catch this one:

"Under Bush, women will suffer."



I laughed out loud. I know this is serious, but that got me.

Women will indeed suffer.....

I just want to know when *we* get to start dictating the terms of the debate instead of reacting desperately to *their* terms. :hi:

to poke at Bushies so called "Leadership Qualities"

Like what the Hell did he do to Prevent 9/11(or any terrorist attack during the time frame of taking office till Sept 2001. Thats 8 nmonths of not doing anything of significance...some kind of Leadership we got to PROTECT US.... Rummy too busy Planning Offensive wars, not Defensive ones...?

Cheney too busy planning how to get Haliburton richer?

Where is the thinking for us small guys??

Abu Ghraib

Plame

Drug benefit cost lies

No WMD

My question for honorable Republicans: What will it take to shake your faith?

To answer your ?, for the core Pubs, nothing. They are brainwashed beyond the 7 step Programs, even the 778 Step ones. These Guys are Committed to the core ....they reject facts, Reason, Common Sense, and Sanity too.

"These Guys are Committed to the core ....they reject facts, Reason, Common Sense, and Sanity too."

there are checks and balances, but the gop holds the scales in congress. shake loose one branch and there will so many investigations that bush could not find enough lawyers to help him.

young woman with a baby who said she was voting for Bush because she felt more secure from terrorists under Bush. :wow:

No one is saying what you said:

Under Bush, we got attacked by terrorist rats who snuck in rather easily...as bush did nothing to upgrade the system as suggested to him many times.

Damn, we have just a couple of months to get out the information that Bush was asleep on the job and has made us more vulnerable to attack than ever before.

that...... AFTER THE FACT.....

The Idiot did nothing re Rats for 8 months??? Then after 9/11 gets all huffy and shit? Like he wants to kick ass?

The poor thing, he thinks we don't know.... he got no clue we on to him like ticks on a hound.

( the worst case scenario opportunity, that is) to travel more extensively. My father's grandparents came to America from Italy, because they refused to let their sons be eaten alive by Mussolini. And with a daughter and five sons (four of them draft age and one already having served) long I have thought of the irony. That I should now have to leave the "greatest nation on the earth" because another Mussolini-like fascist of extremely low intelligence is running my nation into the dirt and is ready to see my children be eaten alive for his own gains.

Logistically and legally, I cannot take all six of my children with me. And I can't leave one behind. So i will stay and fight to the death for them. And have no fear or qualm about that.

The good thing about PTSD is, you have been in danger before. Some of us become quite fearless, because we have stared directly into the eyes of evil. And we know that evil is SO BAD, we would sacrifice ourselves to see evil destroyed.

Don't know if my Sunday ramblings make sense, but give it all you've got, people. It's too late for fear.

For our children.... All for One ....and One for All..... Dumas, the 3 Dudes with the Swords....

If you really want to convince the "center" to vote for Kerry, then this line isn't the way to go about it.
Most people know that:
Bush couldn't fix, in eight months, immigration and intelligence policies going back to previous administrations at least as far as Carter.
Presidents have limited control over the economy; if there were magic buttons, every president would push them (taxation, tariffs, interest rates, et cetera have effects, but they are gradual, and the President can't change them himself).
Spending bills originate in the House.
Saddam Hussein was an evil despot who killed hundreds of thousands of his own people.
There have been no terrorist attacks on U.S. soil since 9/11.

Talk about Kerry's vision for America. Talk about how he's going to engage France and Germany diplomatically. Talk about the specific steps he's going to take to improve real wages and access to health care. There is a benefit to pointing out the other guy's faults (and, in some cases, some benefit to good, old-fashioned mudslinging), but in general, Americans want a positive, forward-looking message.

The largest intelligence failure in US history happened on Bush's watch. Not only that, but it happened a month after he was told "BinLaden determined to strike in the US" and he did nothing.

Yeah, Saddam gassed his people. Heard it before.

I hope you enjoy your brief stay here. ;)

Enjoy your stay! :hi: