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Guava Jelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 04:04 PM
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Topic: IS Global Warming creating Huricanes
discuss:
anything to get our minds of the right wingnuts for 5 minutes
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BMJ Donating Member (107 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 04:09 PM
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1. ...
Global warming doesn't cause hurricanes, butterflies do!
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Christof Donating Member (469 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 04:11 PM
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2. Are you insane?
Global warming doesn't exist. :silly: :crazy:
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democratreformed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 04:14 PM
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3. Saw Gephardt suggesting this the other day.
He said he is no scientist but that something must be happening to change our weather patterns. Pointed out many other weather "events" that have ocurred in the past few years (floods,etc.).
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BMJ Donating Member (107 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 04:17 PM
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5. It's all...
... fake.
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mypal Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 04:14 PM
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4. Don't know
. Hope not.
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BMJ Donating Member (107 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 04:19 PM
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8. *GASP*
I just realized! What if the terrorists construct a weather-controlling machine!!! :scared: :scared:
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 04:20 PM
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Gasp! What if the 9-11 terrorists came from Iraq!
What's that? They didn't? Then how come Dick Cheney is still saying they did?
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 04:22 PM
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11. GASP! What if Bush* is a gutless coward who has successfully
bamboozled a nation, exactly as Hitler did, that he was a Noble, Honest Man of God?

Oops. Already happened.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 04:17 PM
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6. Scientific excuse....
The media always brings on experts who claim that this is part of a natural cycle and that periods of intense hurricane activity have existed in the past. Then, you hear reports that global warming caused by human activity will be much worse than previously predicted.
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antigone382 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 07:31 PM
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19. Well, my biology professor is very pro-environment...
...and he said today that hurricanes went through patterns between several very mild years and several very intense years. I don't know precisely how in depth his knowledge of global warming and fluctuations in climate goes, but pollution is a big deal to him (as it should be to all of us), and he certainly isn't going to downplay any adverse effects from it if he is aware of them.
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Kenneth ken Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 04:17 PM
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7. yes
as I understand it, one of the primary effects of global warming is changing weather patterns and more violent weather. I don't know if it is creating more hurricanes, but it is helping to increase the intensity we are seeing in the hurricanes being created.
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ChickMagic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 04:20 PM
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9. I think we're just in a severe pattern right
now due to no El Nino effect. When El Nino is here the hurricanes tend to move back out to sea instead of hitting Florida. If global warming causes the gulf stream to just stop, I don't know what that will mean for hurricanes, since that's why they travel the way they do. They pick up speed from the warmer water in the gulf stream too.
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 04:21 PM
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10. Impossible to say at this point.
Could be because of global warming. Could be just an unusual year.

But global warming is certainly occuring.
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TX-RAT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 04:33 PM
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12. Sure it is.
At lest for the last 4 billion years. Give or take a billion or 2.
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Massacure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 04:34 PM
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13. It is probably a combination of warming and the natural cycle.
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 04:52 PM
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14. But Pigboy Limbaugh says Global Warming is a myth ...
and furthermore, he has scientific proof. The fat junkie has a photograph taken in Anchorage, Alaska last January of an actual thermometer which proves without a doubt that sometimes it gets really, really cold in the winter. Take that you long-haired, left-wing, pinko, commie, tree-hugger!
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 05:03 PM
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15. lots of links on climate change
Edited on Fri Sep-10-04 05:04 PM by G_j
I don't know about creating hurricanes, but I think warm water can increase their strength, I am not a scientist though..


here are some very good links about climate change:

this first one links to articles from around the world:
-Climate Change Portal http://www.climateark.org/news

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-Vital Climate Graphics:

INTRODUCTION TO CLIMATE CHANGE:
http://www.climateark.org/vital/intro.htm

OBSERVED CLIMATE TRENDS
http://www.climateark.org/vital/trends.htm

POTENTIAL IMPACTS OF CLIMATE CHANGE
http://www.climateark.org/vital/impacts.htm

-Climate Change Portal http://www.climateark.org/news

-Climate Change 2001: The Scientific Basis

http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc_tar/wg1/index.htm
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Climate Change Links
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=115&topic_id=6973
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Blue Wally Donating Member (974 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 06:39 PM
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16. Saw a graph today
It was a map of the track of all of the Cat 3 and better hurricanes to pass through Florida over the last 150 years. From 1850-1900 there were few momentous hurricanes. From 1900-1950 there were numerous momentous hurricanes. From 1950-2000 there were few momentous hurricanes. It looks like we are back on the 1900-1950 schedule now.
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 06:43 PM
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17. If that's true...then thank god I'm moving this year
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Blue Wally Donating Member (974 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 06:54 PM
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18. Yeah
1851-1900 four Cat 3 or better

1910-1950 sixteen Cat 3 or better

1951-2000 five Cat 3 or better

so far we have onluy one Cat 3, Charley (Frances was a Cat 2).

Hurricane folks think that hurricane frequency will increase. Hard to ID global warming as the culprit since 1900-1950 was colder than 1950-2000.
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TheWesson Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 07:40 PM
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20. Hurricanes

Computer weather models predict that the hurricanes will become stronger:

http://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/~tk/glob_warm_hurr.html

just FYI. now you can blame Bush for the weather. his energy policies have almost certainly made hurricanes worse for years to come.

the wesson
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Mother Jones Donating Member (427 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 08:01 PM
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21. Thanks for the info folks...
....And here I thought hurricanes were God's way of punishing the homosexuals!

Well, that's what Robertson says, and he's ALWAYS right...:crazy:
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