We're getting capped in the media.. BADLY

It didn't matter what form of media or what channel I tuned in to.. NPR (nationalist puppet radio), MSGOP, Faux, CNN... EVERYONE is STILL spouting off about the CBS documents and calling them MOST LIKELY FORGERIES.. DESPITE these claims being debunked.

Further, EVERY single one of these channels is calling the presidential race over.

We need to smear these republican bastards dirty and deep from here on out. We need to be aggressive, mean and unrelenting. There's just too much at stake.

The second most dangerous thing than bush getting in for a second term is the corporate takeover of the media

I start screaming at these blowhards in my car, in my leaving room..and I just need to shut it off. But that doesn't do much good either. Maybe I'll start seriously considering learning Norwegian and transplanting my family after the election.

ThatÕs my concern.

911 was a lie

What will the fine, upstanding repubs think if we rudely point out the obvious about their candidate? That is the deciding factor when creating a strategy for this election. Nothing else matters, because if the repubs don't like us, life is not worth living.:puke:
Don't worry, I know you were being sarcastic. Unfortunately, some mainstream Dems really do feel this way and it may cost us the election.

It just says it all, doesn't it? The pundits can argue back and forth, but you have to ask yourself if it is reasonable that a large passenger airliner hit the side of this building? From this photo, I can't see how anyone could argue it did.
:wtf:

The cablescents should NOT be fucking with the grown-ups.

They will be made to pay.

1. Skew polls
2. Verbally assassinate Kerry
3. Report everything Bad about kerry and everything Good about *
4. Glorify and give free press to smears against Kerry/Slam Kerry for responses


What does this all add up to???

Diebolded election... They will "adjust" just enough votes here and there to "re-install" our idiot-in-chief.

They don't have to win "big". they just need a few key states to "go their way".. In order to make the public accept the results, Kerry must be behind in the polls, untrusted, and all the rest... yadayadayada

That the media would be non-biased? Hahaha

Don't ya know Rove's phone is burning up the wires with Boo! this and Boo! that? He's putting the fear of God on those people, Rove is.

Doesn't Will know the media heads are just a bunch of money-grubbing whores for the imperialists, and that they suck up to the powers that Boo!

Ya know what the answer is? I don't, hoping you do....

It won't be the first time. The only way to stop the plausible reality is to have *'s numbers in the single digits... where they belong.

and lots of lawyers and very LOUD supporters..

They actually showed us how to "do it" in Florida 2000...

Kerry MUST CLAIM the LEAD...and SHOUT it.. He must REFUSE to acknowledge their tripe...and just forge ahead..

The DNC and whoever else must put the most effective spokespeople in the forefront.. they ones who will shout down the "motormouths of the RNC"......they must DEMAND equal coverage from c-span.. That's a good place to start..

I am sick to death of seeing filth like that Ginsberg guy being GIVEN 45 minuted UNCHALLENGED...and then the "bone" they throw to the liberals is a guy from National Geographic.. (he was good, but his appearance in no way equalled the 45 minutes of that evil little troll (ginsburg)whining about how unfairly the poor RNC was being treated.

Are you kidding me? What exactly are they saying and who is saying it? Can you show me a transcript? I really do not believe it!

The way the message is framed will depend on the source. On one extreme, you've got dennis miller and some other gnarled old windbag saying verbatim that the race 'is over' (this was on the 9/8 as I recall). Then there are others that are looking at the polls saying 'it looks as though bush is locked in a solid lead..." <then shakes head> "It's really going to be tough for Kerry to overcome this.." (source, I can't recall.. but I'm pretty sure it was on MSNBC (this afternoon - I just flip through the channels and I don't necessarily look at which one is which.. they're all basically the same). The message is clear, Kerry is either out of the race, or Bush is so solidly ahead the Kerry is unlikely to catch him.

>> EVERY single one of these channels is calling the presidential race over. <<

Doesn't make it so. Never has.

They are "hungry for stink". So give it to them.

And we don't need to smear the Republicans. All we have to do is tell the truth on 'em.

--bkl

but we DUers don't have a say in how aggressive or non-aggressive the campaign is.

They're gonna do what they're gonna do.

Then blame Nader, et al for the results.

:shrug:

Kanary

I know what my grandfather had to do in order to help build a labor movement. I know what my father had to do to continue it. WE, indeed, can affect change, but I really question whether voting is the answer.

Direct action from the ground up is really going to be what changes this country. The question is, are too many americans complacent? Brainwashed? Stupid?

Kanary, I always appreciate the gravel textured, jagged edge of your candor. :-)

I have nothing but huge respect for the union organizing, especially in the early days of the movement. Those were people with courage, and a tremendous sense of purpose. Would that we had lots of Dem politicians with that kind of courage and integrity!

What I was speaking to is the constant theme here at DU, that DUers carry the weight of this campaign on their shoulders, and that if the campaign isn't doing what it needs to do, or strongly enough, or whateverelse, that somehow, "we" are supposed to take up the slack, and guarantee Kerry wins. We keep hearing that Kerry is doing exactly right, that his campaign is "brilliant", etc etc etc, and thatit's up to all of us to make it work. Well, guess what...... some of us *don't* think the campaign is being effective, and "WE" can't make up the difference. They're the ones with the huge $$$, they're the ones with all the experience that was touted, they're the ones with all the contacts. "WE" can't fill in the gaps that they're not filling.

The only place we can possibly make a difference is in our own small circles. Such as our labor groups, etc. I've had plenty of ideas of how to get some motion going, but anything mentioning that dirty word, "action", brings up an intense allergic reaction among most DUers. There's plenty of energy for denouncing those who have different ideas here, or who are feeling emotions ther est want to villify, etc etc etc., but there seems to be 0 energy for coming together and actually working on issues. That, alone, is enough to make a person depressed. (Oooops, now I'll get villified for actually saying what it feels like....)

>Kanary, I always appreciate the gravel textured, jagged edge of your candor. :-)

:hi: Me, gravel textured?? :)
Y'know, that isn't how I've spoken for most of my 58 years. I'm quite a gentle, supportive and very caring person. But, I took so much ugly crap here on DU, that I don't give most the room to do that anymore. I come on much more "jagged" than I am, in order to protect myself from the attacks that go on here at the drop of any hat. I will show my kind and soft side where it's safe to do that. This isn't the place. That's very sad, and is a regrettable marker of the state of this end of politics, but that's how it is.

Kanary, off to read Eugene Debs to raise her spirits...... ^_^

And I, too, love Debs. As for being depressed, I certainly understand the sentiment.

Please elaborate more on the allergic reaction to 'action'. Personally, I think that direct action, and people can interpret that term any way that they want(as it means many things to many people), is really going to be what moves this society forward. Direct action was the hand that forced the politicians to act in the early years. They don't do it cuz it feels good, but only when they perceive a threat to the status quo menaces thier world.

One thing I know; we (as in the working people of the world) have the power, by our sheer numbers, to take down ANY institution that stands in the way of human justice, peace and the liberation of the working people of the world. It is all within our grasp.. so much so that the anticipation of action on this scale is unbearable. But that power will never be made manifest at the voting booth, only on the streets through strikes, civil disobedience and grassroots organizing.

Nothing is going to happen in this country until/unless we all start by coming together, first of all, and quit with the bashing each other, and learn to *listen* to each other, care for each other, and start from that point to really work on issues we are facing in this country. Obviously, what we've been doing for 20 or 25 years hasn't been working too well, and we need to start looking for other methods.

Of *course* we have the numbers, and the power (although I'm afraid the actual power is going to make itself felt very harshly!) to create change.

What I was talking about is being able to get people here mobilized to take action. Whenever there is a thread asking for action, usually it drops like a stone. (There are some notable exceptions to this, but I guess that's the exception that proves the rule, or something........) Many of us have tried repeatedly to get some projects going, but it always falls flat. I guess you could do the typical DU thing and blame it on those of us who have tried, but that certainly doesn't solve anything.

The turning point for me was asking for DUers to please write and call about the cuts to HUD housing, and receiving one or two replies (plus an attack or two). Yet, shortly after that, there was that thing with Whoopie, and DUers mobilized and wrote emails like her life depeneded on it, and the thread stayed active for days. That showed me, without a doubt, that poor folk are going to be dying in huge numbers, unnoticed, waaay before DUers come to the conclusion that it's time to come together and really work on these issues.

And, yes, it has been a huge downer for me. I used to think this was a basically caring nation. DU has shown me otherwise. There just isn't the will here, or the nation at large, to *SEE* others besides ourselves, and protect their very existence.

Kanary

I know somebody who was a union organizer in North Carolina in the 1960s (talk about a thankless job). Although there are still very few unions in the south, there are somewhat better laws protecting workers than before. And the labor movement and civil rights movement helped one another.

Anyway, he told me that most of what happens never, ever gets into the newspapers. He had seen it with his own eyes for decades. He said that really outrageous things happen that never get reported.

It's nothing new for Americans to have to fight against a not-very-free press. People can and did make enormous strides through organizing, in spite of the press, the police, and the power structure being against them.

There is always hope as long as people keep working for it.

Edited for spelling. Damn good thing I don't have to type on a Selectric anymore...

Most whitebread society can no longer figure out how to do that.

:shrug:

Kanary

We have had three years, and still failed to adequately address the corporate propaganda machine.

Hope for the best, I guess, but certainly prepare for another four years ...

Every committee is headed by repubes and they have the winning vote ..

Where we actually started slipping was when ole Newtie took over the house.. We still controlled the senate for enough time to have made a difference, but of course we had the "sideshow-of-the-century" as a clever diversion.. They knew they could never actually remove Clinton, but they huffed and puffed and sucked all the oxygen out of DC.. Meanwhile in backrooms, the plans were underway for their complete takeover..

Nothing happens by accident in politics..

How many folks have protested Bush and/or the invasion of Iraq?

Take 'em to the doorsteps of media headquarters ...

:)

Feet in the street. It's all we have left.

and it is remarkable to read about how the press started piling on Clinton the second he was elected. Molly was writing about it at the time. Column after column talked about how the press had given Reagan and Pappy Bush so many passes, but Clinton got shit manufactured about him from day one. Then in 1994 came that "Republican Revolution" with Newtie at the helm.

This has been planned for a long time. Watergate was not supposed to happen. When Nixon resigned the insects scurried into the shadows and honed their skills. Pappy Bush was involved in ways I had never understood until recently. He was supposed to get elected in 1980 and was the de facto president in many ways as Reagan entered the twilight.

The roots of these plans go back to the 19th century. The robber barons (going back to Great Grand Pappies Bush and Walker) never stopped fighting the reforms of the turn of the last century. They want to turn the clock back to 1880 when men were men, women wore corsets, and there were no regulations limiting corporations' God-given right to rape and pillage the environment and the people of the world.

"and it is remarkable to read about how the press started piling on Clinton the second he was elected."

I recall hearing an NPR reporter talking about "the failed Clinton administration" about two weeks after his first inauguration in winter 1993. Two weeks, literally!

It was then that I realized what some of my more radical friends were saying about NPR's rightward tilt.

that's what I keep hearing. urgghhh.

There oughta be a law.

just acquired the networks...this has been going on for a long time....so....we are expecting something different from the same people?????...isn't that the definition of insanity?

Frustrating as it is....they control the media and the message. Our voices are out there...just not as loud and as often.

The tide will turn...trust me...there is time.

The thugs are desperate...they are using (zel) ...now that is pathetic.

I'm j, and I'm a liberal democrat.

Thanks for helping love me when I can't love myself.

Now let's join hands and say the serenity prayer.

(I'm having one of those down days).

It makes sense that all the corporate whores out there will back their real candidate -- when it really counts. Even though Kerry is "moving toward the center," we all know where he really stands. (Not that I feel comfortable with where his rhetoric is moving)

The corporate culture does not want a progressive in the WH. That is why they are moving their support, polls, etc., toward the chimp.

Why NPR? Where do they get their grants from...