If * decides to take Iran in October,

won't that be pretty bad? I mean the best thing about Iraq was that they were basically w/o a military. Iran would actually fight back, with a real, modern army and air force.

:scared:

on our troops in Iraq (most likely). I don't think any claim
of WMDs or other crap (even if WARRANTED this time) would fly.
So an attack on either a ship in the gulf or a division on the
ground would be required... and I'm sorry to say, engineered by
the Neocon bastards that are running our government. Let's hope
they decide against this course of action.

We have air superiority over Iran. He could do it in just a week or two and the flags would wave and the hero's would be praised right up to the election.

and iraq would really blow up

We are in deep shit in the middle east and it will take years to get out of it.

I don't know about Iran, but they've got real air defenses. Plus they'd more then likely hit Israels nuclear facility.

And as you know that is really old in todays world. I would bet that if you asked the military if they could defeat the defenses of Syria or Iran they would say no problem.
And that is the danger in having a bush instead of an oak tree as a leader. If the bush sees a chance to use power he uses it. And we can't expect the military to say no.

Remember we beat the shit out of Iraq's air-defense forces for years and years.

We haven't really been up against an enemy with a sophisticated air defense system in quite some time.

Don't forget about their home court advantage.

insanity, and I hope for the sake of their country that Republicans would step up to the plate and take him out themselves. I know, wishful thinking, but messing with Iran in our current situation would spell certain doom for the troops in Iraq.

We're not going to invade Iran any time soon. The neo-cons are merely setting the table for an invasion of Iran. The language and connection to terrorist cells in Iran is only beginning to take shape. It will take a few more years of rhetoric in the media before they can justify an invasion. It will happen in about 2-3 years if Bush gets back into office. It's no coincidence that we are pulling troops back into the U.S. from foreign bases.

Iran by the way has a much larger military, but a much more out dated military than Iraq. Most of Iran's military equipment is left over from the Soviet war.

Make no mistake about it, we will go into Iran. It's key in securing oil from the Caspian sea. It won't happen for a few more years though.

I guess most people would call this the end of WWII, although there were a host of 'smaller' wars trying to sack Iran at the time of the late 40's early 50's.

The logistics for such an undertaking would take months. However, some bombing raids could be made. He might be stupid enough to pull that to make a show of how tough he is on terrorism.

If they decide they have nothing to lose, because Bush keeps pushing the issue, it may be to their benefit to strike first.

They'd face an airwar either way.

Now they face a weakened enemy.

??

The youth of Iran are tired of the restrictions on their lives, and many of them have been killed or jailed for protesting. Eventually, the mullahs and ayatollahs will lose their power.

But if the U.S. invades, just watch all those disaffected Iranian kids become super-patriotic and sign up to repel the invaders.

Right!

Just as Gen. Shinseki cautioned, America is now fighting a twelve-division war with a ten division army.

They can rattle the sabers, as I fully expect them to do. And each time they do, the Iranians will blow up another Iraqi pipeline and laugh.

We. Are. Fucked.

n/t

That's what I'm worried about

IN REMEMBERANCE OF THE 3RD ANNIVERSARY OF THE 911 ATTACKS - WE PRESENT THIS INITIAL DISCLOSURE

From: LetsRoll911 Investigative Group & LetsRoll911.Org

Subject: Direct evidence that 911 WAS an Inside Job involving, at least in part, official complicity within certain levels of the United States Government.

Introduction:

Our investigative group has been gathering and investigating all of the evidence related to the 911 attacks for quite some time. The impetus for this investigation started when certain anomalies and contradictions were observed between the “official” 911 government story and the direct evidence. It became rapidly apparent that the clear conflict existed between the “official” government story, and what the direct scientific and video evidence clearly showed.

Our group consists of citizens from the United States, and from many other nations as well, and it includes attorneys, law enforcement / police officers, criminal investigators, pilots, aircraft specialists, photo analysts, and many, many others.

We have now issued our first disclosure of this inculpatory evidence. Additional evidence continues to be obtained, analyzed, and investigated, however we felt it necessary to compile and release this first disclosure in the extreme interest of national and global security.

The ramifications and conclusions of this evidence are not at all pleasant; they are in fact astoundingly dangerous and gravely disturbing. So much so, that we have observed at times, persons may review this direct evidence and cannot mentally or emotionally accept these findings of fact due to Cognitive Dissonance. This is a psychological phenomenon which refers to the discomfort felt at a discrepancy between what you already think you know or what you believe to be true, and new information or interpretation which conflicts with those preconceived beliefs.

Our first disclosure herein clearly shows that there is probable cause to provide formal notice of the following as applicable:
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NOTICE OF PROBABLE CAUSE AS TO CRIMINAL AND CIVIL VIOLATIONS OF THE UNITED STATES CODE (U.S.C.) AS AGAINST THE UNITED STATES, ITS CITIZENS, AND OTHER PERSONS UNDER AS MAY BE RELEVENT OR APPLICABLE, BUT NOT LIMITED TO: U.S.C, TITLE 18, PART I, CHAPTER 1: Sec. 2. · Sec. 3. · Sec. 4.; CHAPTER 19: · Sec. 371. · Sec. 372. · Sec. 373.; CHAPTER 37: · Sec. 792. · Sec. 793. · Sec. 794. · Sec. 798.; CHAPTER 51: Sec. 1111. · Sec. 1113. · Sec. 1114. · Sec. 1117; and applicable sections of: CHAPTER 73; CHAPTER 79; CHAPTER 96; CHAPTER 105; CHAPTER 113B; CHAPTER 115; CHAPTER 18; CHAPTER 13; CHAPTER 11; CHAPTER 7; CHAPTER 5; CHAPTER 39; CHAPTER 41; CHAPTER 47; CHAPTER 55 CHAPTER113. et seq.

And more specifically, as applicable:
U.S.C, TITLE 18, PART I, CHAPTER 1: sec. 4. - Misprision of felony:
Whoever, having knowledge of the actual commission of a felony cognizable by a court of the United States, conceals and does not as soon as possible make known the same to some judge or other person in civil or military authority under the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

Dear Respondent:

You have received the following submitted and enclosed evidence exhibits as you are a person of vital importance as to the truth of these matters, as well as to any potential and viable course of remedial action. The evidence contained herein has been compiled and verified by numerous investigators and researchers, and includes evidence of a circumstantial, direct, and scientific nature. It is very important that you review this evidence thoroughly. Upon reviewing this evidence, only you can determine your most appropriate and lawful next course of action, as may be within your capacity, discretion, authority, or abilities. Indeed, the evidence contained herein if presented to any independent grand jury would result in certain indictments as to the suspects involved, and at bare minimum the evidence justifies initiating the most massive independent criminal investigation in the history of the United States, if not in the history of the world.

A Clear and Present Danger:

These evidentiary exhibits indicate that this is a matter of extreme urgency and gravity, affecting both current and future national security and global security. You may well determine after reviewing the enclosed exhibits that our nation, as well as other global nations, face a clear and present danger from very powerful domestic enemies within the United States, acting in concert with their counterparts in certain other foreign nations; nations which claim to be our allies. It also may very likely require high levels of courage, insight, strength, determination, true patriotism, and moral clarity in order to face and combat this threat. Let there be no doubt. The threat to the United States, and indeed to the world as a whole, is greater than any other faced in history. This is due to several enemy agents / perpetrators being stationed domestically, and occupying high-level defense, intelligence, and other official positions. The highly coordinated psychological operation (psy-ops) carried out by the 911 attacks could not have succeeded so well if not for the aid and comfort provided by the American mass media. Any person who has a substantial military, intelligence, law enforcement, or other relevant background, combined with the insight to clearly see the evidence and its implications, will also understand the extreme gravity and danger this situation represents.

What We Cannot Allow:

We cannot allow fear, partisan politics, intimidation, or any other such factor, to prevent action by any lawful means necessary. This domestic enemy and the danger it represents, cannot be overcome via military means, although credible military and other sources indicate that certain sectors of the armed forces and their commanders, who being aware of much of the unsuppressed evidence, do have contingency plans drafted to place under military arrest the domestic perpetrators, especially in the event another domestic terror attack is carried out within our nation. Any future major terror attack upon the United States, or even in any other nation, must be considered as involving the suspects implicated by the evidence contained herein.

What We Must Do:

Unity, organization, disclosure, and public awareness are the primary weapons to combating this clear and present danger. In this extreme situation, we are being called to defend our country from all enemies, whether foreign and/or most especially domestic. We must coordinate closely with those elected officials who are open to considering this evidence. We must also use the strength of numbers to provide protection for others, in that the perpetrators will not hesitate to kill again if they face exposure or if it would serve their agenda. This is not a partisan issue, a democrat vs. republican, or a liberal vs. conservative issue. Such petty conflicts pale into absolute insignificance under the weight of these implications. Using the clear evidence and facts, via the public forum and media, is where we must…. draw our clear and bright line in the sand.


Primary Inculpatory Evidence:

911 IPS:
www.911inplanesite.com

Remote Targeting Laser:
http://copywriting.com/video/

LetsRoll911.org - generally

To view 911 IPS, immediately, available here:
http://www.hypertorrent.com/

Type in "in plane site"
Should be 3 versions available now, SVCD, VHS and DVD copy.

If you currently don't have any Bittorrent program installed, use ABC < Yet Another Bittorrent Client >

http://pingpong-abc.sourceforge.net/

Multiple Perspective Comparative Analysis/Framework, (a brief overview + additional info. See pages 7 and 8)
http://letsroll911.org/ipw-web/bulletin/bb/viewtopic.php?t=1744&sid=86685844d1b7d31f47d50aee6c4c5e67

The New Pearl Harbor by David Ray Griffin:
http://vancouver.indymedia.org/print.php?id=141355
(NOTE: Click on link, the click REFRESH on your browser application to open the page.)

6 Questions, and DOD response:

http://www.policestate21.com/dod.htm

The Pentagon was NOT hit by a 757 airliner:
http://pages.infinit.net/noc/pentagon.swf


We have not forgotten…911 was an Inside Job:
http://911digitalarchive.org/special/tribute.swf


Respectfully Yours: LetsRoll911.org

how in heavens name do they expect to invade and hold a mountainous country of 50 million.

They are mad. But are they that mad.