I'm gratified to see John Kerry gettin' jacked up on this forum today...

as it reminded me to confirm my free ticket reservation at his formal announcement next week.
Whassamatter DU?...Y'all Luuu-uv'd JK six months ago. Now Dean's wagon comes rattling by with the candidate up top playing "Oh you beautiful girl" on the ukelele and suddenly yer all inna swoon.
:)
i dunno...are you guys really ready to win?
Really?
Doesn't seem that way...you all talk a tough game but were is the spirit the iron will as it were?
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MASSACHUSETTS FIRST
MASSACHUSETTS LAST
MASSACHUSETTS ALWAYS
THE COMMONWEALTH WILL BE AVENGED!

Why isn't Kerry announcing in his home state?

wants to play up the military for south carolina voters i believe.

for him(i.e., canvassing, headquarters time,phone calling)-as they do running their neophyte cyber gums in this ever more irrelevant web site:nuke:

Good luck,Kiddies:puffpiece:

As a lifelong resident of Taxachusetts, I would like to know the answer to that as well.

to beat Bush.

Kerry can't.

He is polling behind Dean in NH - not a jack, a fact
He is announcing in front of an air craft carrier after he gave shrub a ration of crap about it, that also is not a jack, just an observation.

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It really looks like a snub of his constituents that he is not announcing in his home state. This may be a mistake for Sen. Kerry.

I don't think the AWOL thing is going to play that well, the media won't run with it.

also how bush hurts veterans. how his tax policies are unfair. the awol thing isn't as i mportant as those things. and those are the issues kerry will speak about.

n/t

at Faneuil Hall....as part of a day long series of formal announcements in SC NH and Ma.
I say he's a man of destiny....screw all lesser mortals prior to the convention.

BTW just one more point, normally a Zogby poll is considered naught but pigslop on the DU...now he's got good news for Gunga Dean and suddenly Zogby's a new oracle???

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MASSACHUSETTS LAST
MASSACHUSETTS ALWAYS






AVENGE DALLAS
AVENGE LOS ANGELES


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They cheered Dean while he attacked Kerry and called him and other more liberal candidates "Bushlite" to try to imply that only HE was a real Democrat, and reticent about his 11 year record of governing as a compromising centrist who aligned with the GOP. The REAL "Bushlite" record belongs to Howard Dean.

John Kerry is quite far from Bushlite. His vote in favor of the war resolution, however, can be called into question as one done out of political expediency -- but since none of us know John Kerry's mind, that is pure speculation in and of itself.

OTOH, it is absurd to call Howard Dean "Bushlite" as well. Dean, though hardly a progressive, has a solid record as Governor of VT -- even if he isn't necessarily the type to receive outstanding marks for "playing well with others".

The only candidate that can even come close to that mark is Joe Lieberman -- and even that falls flat on its face when you look at his environmental record. I would classify him more as a "collaborator" instead, based on his hawkishness and extreme lack of passion in providing a real opposition to wacked-out RW Republican policies and underhanded tactics.

I prefer "corrupt" and "compromised". Collaborator makes it sound like they WANT to help Bush*, and I don't think that's true. Not even of Joe. IMO, it's that they are either too corrupt, or too compromised to offer effective opposition.

I was not attempting to imply that Joe actually WANTS to help push the Bush RW agenda, because I have never believed that to be true. I was only expressing that I believe that the milquetoast kind of opposition he provides to the RW juggernaught (if you want to call it opposition) is going to spell our ruin.

But either of your terms work just as well, and I think we were on the same wavelength on this one.

In fact, I think "unwitting collaborator" might be the most accurate way to put it.

"They cheered Dean while he attacked Kerry and called him and other more liberal candidates "Bushlite" to try to imply that only HE was a real Democrat,"

No he called the dems who were voting for crap like the patriot act, the no child left behind act, and the Iraq war, bushlite. And they are... what good is a democrat who votes for most of the republican agenda?


"and reticent about his 11 year record of governing as a compromising centrist who aligned with the GOP."

How many of Bush bills did Dean support vs the number Kerry voted for?

No child left behind... Dean is against it and Kerry voted for it.
Patriot act... Dean wants to repeal it, Kerry voted for it.
War in Iraq... Dean was against it, Kerry voted for it.

Dean got welfare reformed as it needed to be, with day care, health care, and job training attached to the process. That was a centrist compromise, and a damn good one. Dean got civil unions passed, another compromise that got around the gay marriage issue by making it about the rights not the words... and it was another great compromise. Dean's compromises achieved great progress for progressive issues. Dean balanced the budget and focused on programs like success by six to make real change.

While Kerry compromises get us into wars and give Bush more power than any president should even have... all so he can cover his own ass politically.

you think "crap like the patriot act, the no child left behind act, and the Iraq war" make up "most of the republican agenda"

You've forgotten most of their crimes.

As for their more criminal goals, they don’t tend to send that stuff through congress. However the support they got from guys like Kerry on the war and the patriot act, make their other crimes significantly easier to commit.


And how exactly does the fact that the republicans are doing worse things behind closed doors, excuse the support that Kerry and his ilk have giving to them on bills like the no child left behind act, the patriot act, and the war?

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if you think those three items make up "most of their legislative agenda"

on Iraq! He chose to ignore us now I'm ignoring him. :kick:

Kerry turned away from me, not the other way around, when
he supported Shrub's invasion to liberate the oil.

He also ran away from several important "pro-choice" votes,
not voting rather than voting pro-choice.

You don't get my vote doing those sorts of things.

Atlant

can't say anything that Dean has done to earn my worship...can't say he's turned his back on me either.
Doesn't matter I'm FOR Kerry anyone else's alleged foibles are not my concern.
You guys aren't ready to win....you'll tear JK apart like wild animals and still get whipped like red headed step children come next November.
Sorry.
You don't get it.

I have never attempted to tear any candidate apart.

Kerry has pissed off his own base with his support of Bush's war and no child left behind and the patriot act... and he then made it worse by telling them to "get over it."

Well Kerry cen "get over" not getting my vote in the primary.

Kerry is a member of the Skull and Bones as was Chimpy, as was George senior and as was Prescott Bush the original Nazi...

The fact that Kerry won't talk about it makes it all even more creepy for me. These secret clubs are pretty weird and Yale's Skull and Bones takes the cake.

Google 'bush' and 'skull' if you need more info on this odd little clique that has thousands of members in the highest echelons of government.

It is well documented that the two prime candidates for U.S. President in 2004, John Kerry and George W. Bush, share a dark secret... they both belong to a secret society that, over many years, has shaped the character of a significant number of America's power elite (i.e., ruling class). The links below will provide you with the details of this exclusive group of powerful (mainly white of course) men. Inform yourself with the facts and then draw your own conclusions as to whether or not you want anyone associated with this organization to be your leader.

Skull and Bones . . . a capsule history and an intimate peek at one section of the US Ruling Class

Documentary: Skull and Bones, Brotherhood of death!

http://www.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=227203

‘Secrets of the Tomb’ . . . Skull and Bones, the Ivy League, and the Hidden Paths of Power

tp://www.freepressinternational.com/tomb.htm


http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/8425/BONES.HTM

Do you recognize these names? . . . A Quick Start Peak into the Rogues Gallery

http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/8425/BONES.HTM#list


Kerry and Bush are Skull and Bones. What, if not the madness of elite leadership, is Skull and Bones dedicated to? . . . Recently, Kerry has been asked about Skull and Bones, and his staff has made it clear that he does not intend to make any comment, now or in the future. . . . After all, he has taken an oath of secrecy.

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"Drugs, Law Enforcement and Foreign Policy" ... aka The Kerry Report
In 1987, two subcommittees of the US Senate Committee on Foreign Relations held three days of hearings on drug trafficking. Headed by Sen. John F. Kerry (D - Mass.), the panel heard evidence of official corruption in Central America, South America, the Caribbean, and the United States. The next year, the government published the transcripts in a 4-volume set that has remained a touchstone for anyone interested in narco-corruption, particularly as it involves US intelligence agencies.

http://www.thememoryhole.org/kerry/

it doesn't bother me any more than Dr. Dean's constant use of invasive surgery to treat conditions best resolved with Saint John's wort and meditation.
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Given how Kerry's investigation of his frat brother's family's abuse of power and criminal acts did not stop him from voting fro the patriot act or the war in Iraq.

Anybody who knows what Kerry knows and still votes to give Bush that level of power, is either an accomplice or a fucking moron. And we know Kerry is no moron.

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:scared: :tinfoilhat: :crazy:

he is a good candidate - may he pick up momentum with the big kick off.

I would like nothing more than to see two or three heavily supported by grassroots campaigns - fully developed networks - by the time the primary season begins. I think Kerry has this capacity.

The eventual winner will benefit - although some people will get less involved when their candidate moves out of the picture (which at somepoint is innevitable) - a vast state by state network of supporters - in addition to traditional party infrastructure - will be the KEY to combatting the bitter, bitter election the candidate will likely face.

Haven't "chosen" a candidate yet, but Kerry is worthy. He also had early momentum - which indicates that perhaps with the flanks getting nipped by Dean - and by new energy from DraftClark - that the momentum can be reignited and kicked up a notch. This would be good both for Kerry - and for the party - whether or not he in the end becomes the final candidate.

Good luck Senator.

Up to that point, Kerry was on the top of my list. It's a shame that he sold out so cheaply.

He won't get my vote under any circumstances.

Kerry Jacked himself when he voted to back the fratboy.

for his own energy buddies. It's a shame he sold out so cheaply.

Dean backed the fratboy. They even talk alike. Everything they don't want to deal with is a "state's rights" issue.

Excuse for intelligent discourse.:wow: :puke:

Dean had NO say over the designation of Yucca mountian or Sierra Blanca storage sites, nor over the mandate for the centralizing of radioactive waste storage.

He supported getting that waste into safer storage facilities, but you bashers try to make it sound like he picked the sites. He did not.

And what was Kerry's position on Sierra Blanca?


"Dean backed the fratboy."

In fact BLM the Sierra Blanca plan was passed under clinton.


"Everything they don't want to deal with is a "state's rights" issue."

And that position on state's rights is why Dean is going to win states in the south where Kerry has no hope. Not everybody likes the federal government telling them how to live, be it regarding who we marry or what guns we own.

The reason why gay marriage and civil unions is NOT a "state's rights" issue is because Social Security is a federal entitlement pgm, and without a FEDERAL law protecting the rights of GLBT's, the partners/spouses can't collect SS when the other dies EVEN IF THEY LIVED IN A STATE WITH CIVIL UNIONS.

Civil unions are NOT a state's rights issue. That's just Repuke-speak

As of 8/17 a minimum of 6113 Iraqi civilians have died, and 20,000 civilians have been injured. This because Kerry's (and the other 3 bushbackers) votes enabled the boy emperor to invade and occupy Iraq.

You may be unable to see it, but there is a difference.

BTW I'm not necessarily a Dean supporter, and I do disagree with some of the things he's done as governer of Vermont. I can hold my nose with the best of them, and have done so many times to beat the repuglyones. I'm willing to do so this time, on a lot of issues, but not this one.

From Your friend, Karl Rove.

(Make sure to get all your friends to do the same).

Or, didn't you notice? Please direct your comments to the proper party.

Stumbled in this room by misstake, don't mind me. You kids just keep on fighting, I'll be outside watching the furtiture fly out the windows. So pretty!

"Waaaaah!!!"

*Smash*

"But, my guy is better than your guy."

(screeching whine)

"Nuh uh, your guy likes president poopyhead."

"You take back."

"Neener neener neener."


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