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medeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 06:16 PM
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John McCain says Bush should be afraid of debate
on Hardball now... touting Kerry's debate skills

can't figure that guy out....
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Jack_Dawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 06:17 PM
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1. McCain blows with the wind
He's like Tweety.
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maveric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 06:44 PM
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18. He's like "Sybil".
Multiple personalities.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 07:20 PM
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28. Sybil McCain. Man, Did You Call That One.
Hi Maveric, I'm the Raw Hide Kid. :thumbsup:
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 08:37 PM
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37. Nah, that's not it -- he's just busy lowering expectations for Bush
Remember 2000? The expectations were SO lowered that all Bush had to do was show up and stay awake.
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GiovanniC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 06:18 PM
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2. Trying to Downplay Expectations
So if Chimpy can get through all three debates without pissing all over himself, everyone will be wowed by his debate prowess.

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atre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 06:33 PM
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13. EXACTLY
They play this game every time and the media eats it up every time.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 08:35 PM
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36. BINGO! nt
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 06:18 PM
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3. John McCain is the real devil
of the Repuke party
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 06:18 PM
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4. Extra High Expectations = Results - Low Expectations = High Results
Mcain is playing the expectation card so basically all * has to do is show up and speak Kindergarden english and he wins.

Reverse Psychology
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greekspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 06:29 PM
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12. Shrub could just say "fish" and sit down
and the Judy Woodruffs of the world would swoon with the conviction and bravery with which he said it. Shrub is too chicken to participate in anything but a rigged debate.
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mark414 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 06:19 PM
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5. he's raising the expectations for kerry
so that if bush "stays even with him" the media will say wow bush came in the underdog and did a great job keeping up with him!

it's all about setting expectations

bush has never lost a debate. he is so good at debating.

keep it up
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 07:13 PM
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24. Yeah, the sly ol'
snarky creep!


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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 06:19 PM
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6. They've got something on him..................
I used to think her had a modicum of integrity, then all of the sudden he and Bush are hugging each other..........KKKarl must have found something in his background to use.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 07:18 PM
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26. My dad says the exact same thing.
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Mike Niendorff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 07:24 PM
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29. A simpler explanation:

McCain is positioning himself for 2008.


MDN
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onecitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 06:20 PM
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7. It's a tactic......
Don't EVER trust McCain. I just wonder what bush has on the guy. They sure are chummy these days.
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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 06:40 PM
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17. Yes.
Kerry has been "friends" with Mc Cain for a long time, but when the Vets who now support Kerry supported Mc Cain in 2000 after Kerry recommended they support Gore, Kerry told them that Mc Cain will not support additional funding for anything for Veterans if he is elected. Kerry told them honestly that he liked Mc Cain, but that Mc Cain would tell them what they wanted to hear while campaigning, but would turn against them when it came to providing funding for VA hospitals or any funding for anything veterans needed. He made it clear that first and foremost Mc Cain was a fiscal conservative before he was a veteran.

When it came time to decide who to support this time they supported Kerry, and a great deal of it was because of Kerry's honesty with them during that period in 2000 in which they supported Mc Cain, and afterwards. They stated that Kerry had been totally hones with them about anything they dicussed. always did what he said he was going to do, and always told them was not possible to do when they asked, He was always an up front guy accornd to the vets. Mc Cain was not and the vets decided that they could never trust Mc Cain again.

I dont think they have anything on Mc Cain. But Bush neded Mc Cain desperately for credibility with moderates and conservative Veterans. Had Mc Cain come out against Bush and for Kerry, Bush would have only had a handful of votes from veterans this year. The membersip of Swift Boat Veterans and that is it.

Mc Cain does need the support of the Republican Party to run, and flat out, they probably thrteatened his re-election campaign if he did not support Bush.

Even then, Bush had to agree to in some way acced that Kerry served honorably, or Mc Cain would not have supported him

Mc Cain may feel that Bush did not do enough to honor his side of the deal and now is making negative statements about BUsh's handling of Iraq (when at the convention he claimed that Bush was doing the right thing in Iraq)

Maybe its just plain vindictiveness for what Bush did to Mc Cain in 2000. He may simply turn against Bush to get revenge.
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OneTwentyoNine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 07:27 PM
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30. Evidently pics of McCain naked with umm,er...something.....
Edited on Tue Sep-21-04 07:28 PM by OneTwentyoFive
Why the hell else would McCain let Bush hit him with a 2X4 every couple of weeks??

David
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Career Prole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 06:21 PM
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8. Probably playing the same "false expectations" game that they
played with poll bounce predictions. I don't respect McCain anymore.
Not since cozied up to shrub and put the wood to real veterans.
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 06:23 PM
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9. Exactly
Even though Bush lied through his teeth in 2000, the fact he spoke in complete sentances made all the talking heads proclaim him the winner.
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gardenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 06:24 PM
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10. McCain is a tool whose current use is to lower expectations. nt
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kerryin2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 06:28 PM
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11. Bush has never lost a debate..
I don't know why Bush would be worried, he has never lost.. McCain is just being polite:)
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kodi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 06:37 PM
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14. if bush loses, maccain runs for president in 2008
right now all mccain is giving bush is a squatting ovation
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 06:37 PM
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15. FUCK. JOHN. MCCAIN.
I'm sorry, but McCain talks a good game, but when the chips are down, he's a solid Bush/NeoCon backer all the way. Somebody name ONE instance where he's actually voted like a liberal, not just given lip service to a handful of liberal "friends."

Fuck McCain.
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Crago Donating Member (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 06:45 PM
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19. JOHN MCCAIN
I agree with you. McCain is a solid Republican and will not go against Bush, when it really counts.
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Nordic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 06:48 PM
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20. McCain should have stayed at the Hanoi Hilton
He's no help to America
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 06:57 PM
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21. Well, I wouldn't go THAT far...
I can respect any vet, especially a POW. I'm sure it was a fucking living hell to be trapped there.

But that doesn't mean I agree with him. I DO tire of this constant mantra from the media that "Both sides love him! He's a straight-talker!"

BULLSHIT!

If he's such a straight-talker, how come his tongue is forked? His voting record is consistently republican. Sure, here and there, he says "John Kerry served honorably..." But it means NOTHING. He's playing the media like a fiddle. He uses his image as a "maverick" like a handful of mayonnaise...so that when he needs to ram some RW legislation down our throats, it'll go down easier than if Tom DeLay does it (bare-handed).
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Nordic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 07:04 PM
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22. sorry, but anyone who supports Bush does NOT believe in America
That's the bottom line for me.

They can move.
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Zen Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 08:22 PM
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35. Didn't he vote against tax cuts for the rich the last time around?
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 06:37 PM
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16. Hes just lowering the bar for Bush and raising it for Kerry...
hence, if Bush does mediocre, it will be seen as a victory.

Cmon folks, dont be fooled, we ALL know which side McCain's Bread is Buttered.
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 07:12 PM
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23. bingo..... McCain can go back to his sorry, pathetic hole
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 07:20 PM
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27. The whipped dog barks...
a bit when his master is not around.

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MsConduct Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 07:15 PM
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25. I think the plan is
to make Kerry seem like a debate bully and poor little b-word will seem to be so pitiful that he'll get the sympathy vote.



Peace
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democracy eh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 07:30 PM
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31. there will probably be some kind of terra-ist scare
or issue that requires W's attention so he will have to miss them

and everyone will give him a pass as he is the President and a dimwit
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Barney Rocks Donating Member (746 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 07:39 PM
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32. McCain
plays both ends against the middle. I do not respect or trust him at all.
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MODemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 08:00 PM
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33. I will not be watching the debates
What can the candidates say that we haven't heard non-stop already?
Debates are just a waste of time in my opinion.:shrug:
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Zen Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 08:19 PM
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34. Obviously McCain is signaling he HAS to support Bush, but favors Kerry.
Edited on Tue Sep-21-04 08:24 PM by 2004 Victory
The politics of "Low Expectations" can only work for a newcomer. Not when you've been president for four years. People do expect that you have a modicum of knowledge about what's going on.
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