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UpsideDownFlag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 09:58 PM
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so, nader made it on the ballot in florida.
Edited on Sat Sep-18-04 10:03 PM by JibJab
heard it on the news today...let's hope the reform party dissolves before the election.
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GeorgeBushytail Donating Member (862 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 09:59 PM
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1. Nader campaign slogan - "Be smug, not smart"
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NightTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 09:59 PM
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2. Dammit Ralph, we can't afford you this year!
Why doesn't he get it???
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 02:51 AM
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18. when "can we afford it"? Zell in 2008? Can we afford it then?
Kerry supporters - please pimp Kerry ; bashing Nader does no good.
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NightTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 04:58 PM
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20. I voted for Nader in both 1996 and 2000, but not this time.
And please stop insulting my intelligence with your "Zell in 2008?" bullshit. That's a high-school debating tactic called "reductio ad absurdum." Surely you're above such juvenile nonsense.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 10:00 PM
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3. that's right, let's disenfranchise liberal Americans...
...who don't agree with the DLC. Now THAT'S democracy!
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GeorgeBushytail Donating Member (862 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 10:03 PM
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4. Who's talking disenfranchisement?
If the Reform Party disbands people can still write-in their vote for the Bush/Nader ticket.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 10:04 PM
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7. so they don't have the right to a ballot choice that gets counted?
eom
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 10:20 PM
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14. The write ins are counted as well.
Surely, you know that?
:eyes:
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 10:19 PM
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13. I am sorry, but it really makes no difference if
Nader is on the ballot or not. His supporters could always write him in even if he is not on the ballot.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 10:26 PM
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15. the same could be said of Kerry or Bush....
Edited on Sat Sep-18-04 10:26 PM by mike_c
Take Kerry off the Florida ballot because the Kerry write ins will be counted anyway?! Why would ANYONE who supports democracy want to do so by limiting the ballot choices of voters?
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GeorgeBushytail Donating Member (862 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 10:26 PM
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16. Write in Bush for Pres and Nader for VP
I think Bush would like a lot of the Reform Party platform.
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carpetbagger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 06:17 PM
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23. Liberal? Their last candidate was Pat Buchanan.
I think it's more about disenfranchising political parties are so non-existant that they merely serve as tools for whomever can take over their microphone with a few hundred people on a Saturday morning.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 10:03 PM
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5. Oh dumb of me. You said Florida and I thought California!
Edited on Sat Sep-18-04 10:05 PM by Cleita
So sorry!
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UpsideDownFlag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 10:03 PM
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6. big edit: florida, not cali. my apoligies. i'm sure jeb helped.
Edited on Sat Sep-18-04 10:06 PM by JibJab
i was listening to the hotel california as i wrote that post.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 10:06 PM
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8. Oh so I wasn't going around the bend after all.
Thanks for the correction!
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 10:12 PM
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10. LOL! You and me both!
Google, Yahoo, local news, media....nada, and I'm on dial-up.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 10:09 PM
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9. And Colorado. It's a tight race there also. eom
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 10:15 PM
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11. There really isn't such thing as Reform Party.
Apparently, they only have 18 $ in the bank.
But supreme court said that Florida doesn't really have a definition on what constitutes a party, so Nader gets to stay on the ballot.
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 10:15 PM
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12. The Palm Beach Post story on this at least told the true story...
"Consumer activist Ralph Nader and state Republicans scored a major victory Friday when Nader was assured a spot on Florida's presidential ballot in a 6-1 decision by the Florida Supreme Court."

story here

I'm actually thinking this will cancel out...folks not excited about Kerry vs. folks disillusioned with Georgie.
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oldsneakers Donating Member (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 02:29 AM
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17. Doesn't mean shit!!!
He only gets 1-2% of the vote-He takes votes from both guys.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 02:54 AM
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19. welcome to du - sneaks...
Folks here hate a real progressive like Nader more than w.
We are Democrats - "strong" and proud.
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name not needed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 05:33 PM
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21. "Real Progresive" my ass
Since when do real progressives accept donations from right wingers? So I'm the dumbass freeper cause I don't support the right wing shill.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 06:28 PM
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24. That's what I was thinking...
ralph is about as progressive as an old hasbeen who lies and consorts with the enemy And is the ENEMY!
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 05:38 PM
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22. Yes, but
At least in the Tampa Bay area, EVERY Nader supporter from 2000 that I've spoken to, heard from or heard of is going Kerry this year. I'm friendly with lots of organizations that were at his Tampa rally that year (mine included) and like me, appreciate his right to run, appreciate his stance on many things, but will STILL vote Kerry in November.

For stats purposes, this specifically includes 13 organizations (press, environmental, animal rights, human rights, etc) and roughly 65 folks that I've talked to.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 06:29 PM
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25. Thanks!
:)
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erpowers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 06:33 PM
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26. The Reason He Got On the Ballot
On the Majority Report it was said that the head of the election put him on the ballot because the hurricane had a chance of hitting Tallahasse. In addition, the Nader Campaign is reporting that they only have $18.95 in the bank and they are going to make an issue of that. I guess they will claim that people should vote for them because they do not have a large amount of money which means they did not take money from special interest and therefore they will listen to the people instead of the big corporations.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 06:44 PM
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27. Ah, that makes a lot of sense. Hey, vote for me - I only have $15!
Can you smell dirty trick? Diebold works better with a crowded ballot. Thay can't say 90% voted for W, but they can "create" a 10% for Nader.
After all, only an idiot thinks he acrually got over 90,000 votes in 2000 (the Green Party in Fla had some 4000 members)
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