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YellowRubberDuckie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 09:04 PM
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OK, someone on the inside is trying to make the Dems look retarded..
And it's working. God, with all this crap about the documents Dan Rather reported being trace back to a Kinko's in Texas, and all this BS, am I the only one who thinks that something is going on and we're letting them do it to us?!
Duckie
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 09:06 PM
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1. I can't figure out what's going on
I just hope this doesn't hurt Kerry.
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951 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 09:10 PM
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4. It probably won't
...unless you're talking about certain freep... *ahem* sorry "undecided voters" who are going to vote for bush regardless of what Kerry says.
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 09:17 PM
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7. It's Murdoch getting back for the "Kerry picks Dean" story.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 09:07 PM
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2. You must have missed tonite's 60 minutes. It was a whopper
for Dan , CBS, and the democrats.

And now there is another witness to Killian's problems with dumbya.

sniff - sniff- is that dumbya's ears burning?

or his nose growing another ten feet.

No dem looks retarded. dont worry about it.

And Freedom of The Press is looking like it's not dead yet either

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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 09:18 PM
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8. Is that a real bumper sticker???
Edited on Wed Sep-15-04 09:19 PM by jdjkkse
It's cute.

But "yeehaw" never came out of Richie W. Rich's mouth, at least not without a whole lot of rehearsal.

I just thought of another bumper sticker

"Richie Rich/Daddy Warbucks in 2004-because we're making America into a Cartoon!"
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 09:10 PM
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3. Oh, come on. CBS is loving every minute of this. Just watch.
Rather is having a ball with it. Tonight was super.
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 09:16 PM
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5. "We" are not "letting" anything happen.
"We" are fighting the battle. It may not be the battle we choose, but it must be fought nonetheless. And don't forget, it's a volunteer army we got here Bubba!

They are not smarter than us. They are not more right than us. They just have more weapons (at the moment).
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featherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 09:16 PM
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6. No, this is becoming a very good and strange story
Truly bizarre. The fecal matter will hit the fan somehow, somewhere. And I am interested how it plays out. Not good for Bush, I'm guessing.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 09:39 PM
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9. It's KKKRove.
It smells JUST like him. It's one of his dirty tricks and he has a lot of them. I wonder how many hours per day he spends thinking of ways to screw up the election?
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 09:48 PM
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10. we give kkkarl rrrove WAY too much credit. So he knows how to be...
...a son-of-a-bitch and a lying, scheming conniving bastard. I've seen posts that basically hail him the Dark Lord incarnate. Puhleeze. He's a big, fat, ugly pig that makes his living being an asshole. Nothing he does is that clever. It's just his target audience is so FUCKING STUPID!!! And I'm getting really tired of all the deference this dick wad is getting. His biggest trick and top talent is getting enough people to repeat his bullshit. Once again, the target audience is SO FUCKING STUPID!
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Booster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 10:01 PM
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14. Normally, I'd agree with you, but someone here
mentioned during the Bush/Gore campaign they had a serveillance camera in the post office when that girl mailed whatever that info was to the Gore campaign headquarters to make Gore look bad, and that worked, so this has Rove's fingerprints all over it. he keeps using the same old tactics that work.
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 11:04 PM
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22. No, the point is Rove has a history of similar stunts.
It isnt about giving him credit. We dont know if that is what it is or not, but it is certainly something Rove could have conceivably done.
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SayitAintSo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 09:57 PM
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13. We have Carville and Belgala tho ....
Let's just hope there's no 'pillow talk' with Mary 'I can talk without moving my lips' Matlin ....

....:spank:
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Kathy in Cambridge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 09:56 PM
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12. Oh BULLSHIT
Your pals are trying to paint it that way, but until recently, CBS has been on the side of the Bush administration. They are FINALLY doing their job and reporting the truth.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 10:02 PM
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15. Honey, don't feed the trolls.
Just order a tombstone.
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Kathy in Cambridge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 10:06 PM
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16. Tombstone ordered
I'm too tired to argue with freeptards tonight!
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hansolsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 10:06 PM
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17. Second that motion. N/T
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are_we_united_yet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-04 12:03 AM
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26. Awwww damn
I wanted to add anchovies before it got here!
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DougieZero Donating Member (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 10:10 PM
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18. CBS have nothing to do with dems
we should stay away from this.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 10:56 PM
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20. What - have talking points been distributed to the
trolls?

or what?

they all keep saying the same thing all over the threads
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friesianrider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 10:15 PM
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19. I think the GOP released those memos...
If the GOP were smart (and we know, despite their evilness, they are brilliant at strategy), they'd have released these memos knowing full well they're fake just so they can discredit them and smear Kerry and the Dems further. The stupidity of whoever made these memos is far too great for it not to have been done on purpose. If you were forging a typed document from the 1960s, wouldn't you have thought enough to check what type of typewriter/computer they had back then?

I say the GOP released the memos just so they could discredit them.

And on a side note, anyone else a little POd that the media is ALL OVER the "lies" of these memos but had NOTHING to say about the totally and completely baseless claims of the SBVT?
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 11:00 PM
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21. Dont think so. Think they were sent in by someone who worked
with Major/Colonel Killian in the same office...knew about his memos,
had seen the memos he kept in his desk drawer, and thought he would
reconstruct that one.

The typewriter is the correct one. You're behind the times.

But the heading on the document leaves something out.

The secretary didn't type it, but she says she had typed something similar, expressing the same thing for Killian, about Dubya.

therefore, someone in that National Guard office knew of that document, had seen it, and reconstructed it.

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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 11:16 PM
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23. Hypothetically it would do more than just that.
If that is indeed the case, it would do more than just be a smear campaign, it would be an attempt to end the Bush AWOL debate favorably with them.

Think 16 words. You reduce a very large batch of issues coming at you, get them to all coalesce in the media to one issue and then deal with it.

Bush lies became the 16 words in the state of the union. Then they debated this canard in front of the public, and then they tie it to british intelligence like they had always done. They found one lie that they knew they could deflect responsibility for and they used it to create the appearance that the claims that he lied were erroneus and then they could even use that fact to attack the left for something the left had never even done, in conservative circles.

I am not saying this is a plant, that has to be proven first, but this could be an attempt to kill the Bush AWOL debate by making it look like they have always tried to make it to look. Impossible to know. They want everyone in America to be under the impression that it is a claim that the left cannot prove. And since there are other non CBS related evidence breaking through to the media, this could be a stunt to get people to focus on one piece of evidence they know they can discredit.

Another possibility is that they didnt engineer this, they just looked at all the documents that came out and found the ones they could hope to question, and made that the big issue.

But still the most likely option is that Rove sees these documents as being very damaging and is going to try to push big ol pot of spin and lies on it until it becomes just another Sandy Berger. For a week conservatives will know that treason had been committed, until it all fizzles out after the damage is already done.

Either way, the focus is on getting at the truth. Unless of course someone on the left did do something wrong. Which is still possible. Then its a whole different story.
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Elginoid Donating Member (387 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 11:16 PM
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24. it all goes back to Nixon/Kennedy in 1960.
the hard-core repukes truly believed/believe that the Democrats stole that election...ever since then, they've decided to win by any means necessary.
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 11:32 PM
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25. And Don't forget Clinton/Bush
After Reagan, I dont think these criminals thought they would ever have to worry again. They come in with Bush 1, thier incumbent, slick campaign, but Bush was so unimpressive, and they lacked the Media control they have now, they had plenty, but not as much as now.

It enraged them, that is why they hated Clinton so much. They even tried to impeach him over nothing. They wanted the presidency back so badly. They spent 8 years under clinton just waiting to get revenge, and tightening control over the media, during the clinton attacks. 2000 comes, they propaganda until W. he can stay close to Gore, and they try to rig florida to take a close election. It works, they get in power, all hell brakes loose as they try to get back on top of everything they got interupted doing 8 years earlier, but this time instead of the cautious Daddy Bush, they had W. who is an extremely easily manipulated man. So the inmates are running the asylum and these inmates believe that they belong in charge superceding any ethics.
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