BBV: Update #2 on Press Conference

I had posted one earlier about both venues being filled and it seemed to disappear.

In a brief call with a very tired Bev:

It seemed to go well. Both venues were packed and that includes major media.

The point of the Baxter demo was, I think, (and not what Diebold is trying to make of it) that the ability to change an election is that simple. No computer expertise required. Anyone could walk anyone else through it.

They had a reporter come up and try it and I guess that was pretty revealing. Nothing like a hands on.

Sounds like Hugh Thompson was outstanding.

Lowell Finley made a presentation at the end that gave legal precedence for doing what needs to be done- hand counted paper ballots for the federal positions in November.

My SO saw this covered on MSNBC. We tried to monitor the three networks tonight, but if they had it on, we missed it. Likely that they need to put a package together on this one and that takes a bit more time. So keep your fingers crossed.

I'm sure you'll get more detail after Bev and Andy get back and get some rest.

The vendors are still on their rant about procedure preventing access. Bev got a first-hand, all night look at that procedure recently and it ain't what it's being marketed to be.

Besides, there is simply no excuse for designing that many vulnerabilties into a voting system.

What was that line by Scotty in one of the Trek movies? The more complicated the system, the easier it is to gum up the works?

The central tabulator was the first problem. Touch screens just added another venue of vulnerability.

And I'd like to add this little bit of information I was told that will probably take a records request to pry the actual study out of the county: one of the Washington counties with DRE's did a survey of people who qualify to need a disabled voting system. Only 2 of them cared to go to the polls to use a machine. The rest just wanted their ballots mailed to them. I wonder what would happen if a real survey were conducted, how many really just want easier access- i.e., not going to the polls, but voting by mail?

I am with you in heart!

But I am busy busting other things which are needed.

http://wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,65031,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_1


Kim Zetter, who goes into more detail about the vulnerabilities.

Jefferson is right. There is no excuse for a system with this many holes in it.

You ever notice how, the ultimate security is supposed to be election personel, but if things go right, it's the system that get the praise, if they go wrong, it's the uneducated election people? Geeeze, you'd think the election officials would get tired of this double-standard song and dance.....

Kick!

nobody at DU is kicking the BBV threads? I only have a couple of minutes a day to be on DU these days, due to a new job. But every day I do a "search" for the BBV threads.

I can just hear all the whining on Nov. 3rd: "THEY STOLE THE ELECTION!!" Yet, hardly anyone can lift a finger to even kick a thread!

Too many people don't realize that THIS IS THE ONLY ISSUE THAT COUNTS in today's America....with a RE-regulated media coming in a close second.

I'll kick it!!

:kick::kick::kick::kick:

Florida is targeted again


http://www.liberaloasis.com/palast3.htm


don't tell me Jeb isn't helping

But, I extend it to ALL the important issues at DU.

Look at any suggestion that people should call and write their congresscritters about an issue..... usually sinks unless one person takes it upon themselves to keep pushing it. It's much more fun to write posts laughing at Laura than it is to do the hard work of goosing our system.

I've posted many threads about poverty issues, and requesting people call and write about the HUD cuts....... sinks like a stone. Actually, I don't recall you responding to those. Yet, right afterwards, there is some flap about Whoopee Goldberg, and a huge long thread organizes email for Whoopee...... as if she is threatened with being tossed out in the street.

I could go on and on with examples of inaction. The RW has us beat all to hell on this score. Yet, it's just much easier to blame the press, or post some breathless article about another stooooooooopid thing said by a RW pundit on TV.

:crazy:

Kanary

Lou Dobbs did a very short (like 3 minutes!) segment last night with the Maryland fixer of elections and a Truevote Maryland woman. It wasn't very informative. I was so hoping it was going to be Bev's demo that was to be on... :(

about it. THere was just not enough time devoted to it, and as important as this is, it needs the time and attention.

Also, there needs to be a better choice of spokesperson. I'm deeply grateful to the woman who spoke on behalf of the voting action group, but she is not experienced enough to take on the RW spin machine. She got walked on. She has worked hard on this issue, and deserves support, but someone who is able to hold the line with the RW needs to be in front of the cameras.

Kanary

What we have here is a failure to have an open system.

Oh, it's open to a point. That point is that anybody could access the system and change the totals.

But what is closed and kept secret is the software that is a secret, open only to those who wrote the code. The designed code must become public domain.

What Bev has done is to expose the flaws in the design. The design flaws are numerous and critical.

E-voting, let's face it, is the future. But there are far too many kinks to be worked out, and the kinks inherent in these new machines can be used to steal an election.

Don't think for one second that the pukes haven't figured out how to use these machines to steal the vote.

"Don't think for one second that the pukes haven't figured out how to use these machines to steal the vote".

The repukes designed these fraud machines to begin with.

Dems bought the machines in GA and continue to defend them to the teeth. The nitwit in MD who refuses to listen to reason (and whom the Repugs want to replace -- wonder why??) is a Dem. Dems elected people around the country have been very slow to "get it" or act on it, sometimes working actively against it (like Steny Hoyer).

No, dont be so quick to excuse them all.

Only when I personally see each corporate media network doing extended pieces on this subject will I believe it. Going back into the beginning of the Democratic presidential primary I have written to 60 Minutes a few times in particular Mike Wallace asking him to look into this subject. I thought for sure by this past June everyone would have been made aware of what a fraud these machines were. With only a lil over a month left before this election don't expect anything to remedied before then. Maybe the story will finally get out there but I can't see any way that printers or some other form of voting accountability can be in place by then.

O Well!

...nobody is paying attention, is because you are trying to force a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

No logical person could ever conclude that several evoting companies would conspire to steal votes without anybody knowing. To do that, you would have to conclude that the democrats working for those companies - roughly 50% - would be too stupid or inept to figure that out and put a stop to it. Also, you would have to assume that repugs are that smart. That prospect should insult most.

Then, we would have to assume that monkeys could walk into election offices with a laptop and start throwing elections.

While anything is possible, so is alien invaders taking over the planet and making elections obsolete.

This is all conspiracy theory matter gone amuck. There is a reason Bev Harris is mainly on her own. She has no idea what reality is. She's twisted credible areas of concern into a green salad of salvation by scaring you. No different than shrub's campaign tactics.

Disagree with me all you want - but Democrats are not stupid. They would not allow a systematic level of fraud to happen.

"They would not allow a systematic level of fraud to happen."

where you born in 2001? it would explain a lot.

I guess you failed to watch Bev show over and over again how she entered the E voting system, as if it were your home pc and changed vote tallies with a few click of the keys. All said and done, it took 3 minutes ( if that ).

I suggest you come up to speed and in a hurry. Or maybe it's a situation where you don't want to! BTW, Welcome to DU hope you enjoy that stay!

Gee, I mean, let's just assume corporate America should be the ones counting our votes, no auditing necessary or rather, they'll just audit themselves.

Enron voting.

Note that the above is a non-partisan problem. Money talks on both sides of the isle.

Speaking of not letting fraud happen, what happens when the Dems speak up, is the right wing spin machine going to support them or spin the problem just as you do? Play both sides of the game and declare themselves right? (Uh, no pun intended)

What scares you so much about citizens taking control of their votes?

What scares you so much about robust auditing and checks and balances?

What scares you so much about people caring about representative democracy?

Please state your background and references so that we know with what authority you speak.

What bennies do you lose if the scam that is The Election Center and their close ties to election officials on behalf of the vendors goes away?

offices with a laptop and start throwing elections.

NO. Not monkeys, but PAID REPUBLICAN HACKS. They will have election officials well trained in how to change the vote totals. They are PERCHED, READY and WAITING. We know what happened in FL.in 2000. THEY STOLE THE FUCKING ELECTION!! K? We know what they are capable of. We know they are ALL crooks. We know they purge voters from voter rolls..ILLEGALLY (out of court payments proved they were GUILTY) and we know they harassed voters, sent them to the wrong venues, sent out fliers reminding people to vote, but LOW AND BEHOLD, they put the WRONG date on the fliers...the day AFTER the election (why not the day before?) Now, go back to your boss at Diebold and try to figure out a few more ways to screw the voters. OK?

I'll kick this thread because I see ths topic is just so popular. To hell with it's importance. ( stated sarcastically ):kick: