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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 08:54 AM
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Seems W bragged about his Daddy bein' CIA in 1973!
The woman whose late husband, a TANG buddy of "Lt." George W Bush, said people didn't know much about the Bushes in 1973, but people did know ONE important thing:

Fear of Flying: A Duval County Woman Says Nerves Ended W's National Guard Service In Texas

by Susan Cooper Eastman

EXCERPT...

For Linke, W's auxiliary service has become a very personal flashpoint. Linke's husband died while serving in the Texas Guard in 1973 after drinking at the officer's club. He nodded off at the wheel, drove into a lake and drowned. Linke was 27 years old with a 3-year-old son. She didn't know much about who W was then; his family was not on the national radar. "We were told his father was very wealthy Texan with CIA connections."

SOURCE:

http://www.legitgov.org/essay_eastman_bush_fear_of_flying_in_guard_092304.html

Why this MATTERS: Geoerge Herbert Walker Bush was CIA before he publicly admitted to being affiliated with the agency. Gee, that must mean he's the same fellah J Edgar Hoover was talkin' about in the second memo below. The first refers to Poppy ratting out a fellow Republican within MINUTES of JFK's MURDER:



Odd how fast "Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency" seemed to clear the anti-Castro Cubans in Miami of involvement in the murder. Today we know they are PRIME SUSPECTS.

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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 08:55 AM
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1. "Nerves"=cocaine.
common excuse

and "really, really, tired"=drunk
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 09:10 AM
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2. Funny how mathematics can describe the real world. Poppy = 22 Nov 1963
Junior being a drunken coke whore is bad enough. To see that his daddy played a role in the murder of the President of the United States is really bad -- especially when he doesn't remember where he was that day.

BFEE = Treason.
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Artemis Bunyon Donating Member (435 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 03:47 PM
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6. He almost played a role in the murder of TWO presidents.
If the second one wouldn't have failed, it would have made him president.

Hinckley/Bush links deeper than most know.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 05:23 PM
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10. Scott Hinckley and Neil Bush werelikethis.
Yes, Artemis Bunyon. Not that many people know about this interesting chapter from America's spookiest family. Another "renegade" brother or ward of an acquaintance, like Lee Harvey Oswald and Osama bin Laden.



From Angelfire.com

On Tuesday, March 31 the Houston Post published a copyrighted story under the headline: "BUSH'S SON WAS TO DINE WITH SUSPECT'S BROTHER, by Arthur Wiese and Margarte Downing." The lead paragraph read as follows:

Scott Hinckley, the brother of John Hinckley Jr., who is charged with shooting President Reagan and three others, was to have been a dinner guest Tuesday night at the home of Neil Bush, son of Vice President George Bush, The Houston Post has learned.

According to the article, Neil Bush had admitted on Monday, March 30 that he was personally acquainted with Scott Hinckley, having met with him on one occasion in the recent past. Neil Bush also stated that he knew the Hinckley family, and referred to large monetary contributions made by the Hinckleys to the Bush 1980 presidential campaign. Neil Bush and Scott Hinckley both lived in Denver at this time. Scott Hinckley was the vice president of Vanderbilt Energy Corporation, and Neil Bush was employed as a land man for Standard Oil of Indiana. John W. Hinckley Jr., the would-be assassin, lived on and off with his parents in Evergreen, Colorado, not far from Denver.

Neil Bush was reached for comment on Monday, March 30, and was asked if, in addition to Scott Hinckley, he also knew John W. Hinckley Jr., the would-be killer. "I have no idea," said Neil Bush. "I don't recognize any pictures of him. I just wish I could see a better picture of him."

Sharon Bush, Neil's wife, was also asked about her acquaintance with the Hinckley family. "I don't even know the brother," she replied, suggesting that Scott Hinckley was coming to dinner as the date of a woman whom Sharon did know. "From what I know and have heard, they are a very nice family...and have given a lot of money to the Bush campaign. I understand he was just the renegade brother in the family. They must feel awful."

CONTINUED...

http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/hinckley.html
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 02:47 PM
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3. A kick to the pants of the BFEE!
Come in, DU. Come in, DU. Here's some testimony that Poppy was CIA before he became DCI.



This guy was in Dallas on November 22, 1963.

He doesn't remember why.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 03:48 PM
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7. Where was Poppy Nov 22, 1963?
The little woman and georgie were in Dallas that day.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 05:38 PM
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11. There to see "the parade."
...at least that's what the historian Michael Beschloss told radio person Don Imus (Thanks to seemslikeadream's report).

Gee. I wonder if Poppy was the turd who changed the "parade" route?



The original path was straight down the middle road in the photo above.

Hey, Blakey! The Mob can't change THAT!

From Paranormal News:

Not only did Secret Service Agent Forrest Sorrels change the motorcade route to include ambush-friendly Dealey Plaza, but in concert with this, Agent Winston Lawson trimmed the motorcycle entourage from eight motorcycles to four, and each of these four motorcycles was deployed strictly to the rear of the presidential limo. These actions by agents Sorrels and Lawson steered JFK into a dangerous spot surrounded by tall buildings, and simultaneously stripped him of the shielding protection of the motorcycles, which is precisely what the motorcycles are there for.  

SOURCE:

http://www.paranormalnews.com/article.asp?articleid=375

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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 03:34 PM
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4. You sure it wasn't Forrest Gump?
Why looky, there's Forrest Gump again! It's merely coincidence that all the bad fellers in this administration have all those connections to other crimes in other administrations.

end sarcasm

and

:kick:
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 05:43 PM
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12. Thanks, Don Q! Hey! Here's a short list of BFEE nefariousness...
Pocket History of BFEE

The Bush Family Crime-Line


Representing a criminal class unlike anything the world has ever seen are the Bushes.

Here’s the short history of WHAT WE KNOW:

Bay of Pigs — Bush the Oilman and his Cuban Friends
Dallas — DeMohrenschildt the Oilman is Friends with both Lee Harvey Oswald and George Bush
Vietnam
Watergate
October Surprise
Iran-contra Guns/Drugs/Martial Law
INSLAW/Promis
Iraq-gate / Banca Nazionale del Lavoro arms
BCCI International Money Laundering for Terrorists & Intelligence Community
Savings & Loan scandal in general and Silverado in particular
Gulf War I Glaspie Gives Go-Ahead
Selection 2000 Shreds US Constitution
ENRON Energy Policy
9-11 Criminal Negligence, at best; Treason, most likely
Gulf War II pumps up Halliburton and Carlyle

One common tentacle passes through all the above activities — it's connected to the Octopus that is the Bush Crime Family & Evil Empire, in the service of a Fascistic and Satanic Secret Ruling Elite.

Like Dim Son said, “Either you are with us, or you are against us.”

When he puts it that way, it really is that easy to decide.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 03:42 PM
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5. Now, you don't want to get into that whole Bay of Pigs thing again, do you
From Nixon's tapes:

PRESIDENT: Well, I mean, ah, there's no way... I'm just thinking if they don't cooperate, what do they say? They they, they were approached by the Cubans. That's what Dahlberg has to say, the Texans too. Is that the idea?

(snip)

PRESIDENT: When you get in these people when you...get these people in, say: "Look, the problem is that this will open the whole, the whole Bay of Pigs thing, and the President just feels that" ah, without going into the details... don't, don't lie to them to the extent to say there is no involvement, but just say this is sort of a comedy of errors, bizarre, without getting into it, "the President believes that it is going to open the whole Bay of Pigs thing up again. And, ah because these people are plugging for, for keeps and that they should call the FBI in and say that we wish for the country, don't go any further into this case", period! JUNE 23, 1972 FROM 10 04 TO 11:39 AM 17


HR Haldeman stated in his book 'Ends of Power' that Nixon always referred to the Kennedy assassination as 'that Bay of Pigs' thing.

Considering that the Bay of Pigs invasion involved a bunch of Cubans who were transported to Cuba by a boat apparently named after Barbara Bush (of the Bush's of Zapata Oil), do the math. Where WAS Poppy Nov 22, 1963?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 06:48 PM
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16. Nixon was a crook. By extension GHW Bush is a crook. Poppy's son ...
... is a psychotic imbecile.

What's scary is Nixon owed EVERYTHING to Poppy's Poppy. Ol' Hitler's Angel Prescott made Nixon a made man. What are the odds he passed on some "Family Secrets" to his son? Whatever he said about Nixon must've been dyn-o-mite!

The Texans:

The Kennedy Assassination:
The Nixon-Bush Connection


by Paul Kangas

Note: All references to "George Bush" refer to George Herbert Walker Bush, Father of George "Dubya" Bush who was "elected" pResident by a 5 to 4 vote of the Supreme Court.

EXCERPT...

On the Watergate tapes, June 23, 1972, referred to in the media as the "smoking gun" conversation, Nixon and his Chief of Staff, H.R. Haldeman, discussed how to stop the FBI investigation into the CIA Watergate burglary. They were worried that the investigation would expose their conection to "the Bay of Pigs thing." Haldeman, in his book The Ends of Power, reveals that Nixon always used code words when talking about the 1963 murder of JFK. Haldeman said Nixon would always refer to the assassination as "the Bay of Pigs."

On that transcript we find Nixon discussing the role of George Bush's partner, Robert Mosbacher, as one of the Texas fundraisers for Nixon. On the tapes Nixon keeps refering to the "Cubans" and the "Texans." The "Texans" were Bush, Mosbacher and Baker. This is another direct link between Bush and evidence linking Nixon and Bush to the Kennedy assassination.

In the same discussion Nixon links "the Cubans," "the Texans," "Helms," "Hunt," "Bernard Barker," Robert "Mosbacher" and "the Bay of Pigs." Over and over on the Watergate tapes, these names come up around the discussion of the photos from Dallas that Nixon was trying to obtain when he ordered the CIA to burglarize the Watergate. (Source: Three Men and a Barge", Teresa Riordan, Common Cause magazine, March/April 1990, and San Francisco Chronicle, May 7,1977, interview with Frank Sturgis in which he stated that "the reason we burglarized the Watergate was because Nixon was interested in stopping news leaking related to the photos of our role in the assassination of President John Kennedy.")

After Nixon's landslide victory in 1972, he knew he had to centralize all power into the White House to keep his faction in power, not only to hold power, but to prevent the media from digging into how he secretly shot his way into the White House, just like Hitler shot his way into control of Germany. The first thing Nixon did was to demand signed resignations of his entire government. "Eliminate everyone," he told John Ehrlichman about reappointment, "except George Bush. Bush will do anything for our cause." (Source: Pledging Allegiance, Sidney Blumenthal.)

A MIGHTY SNIP...

Meanwhile, in 1960, Prescot Bush was running Nixon's campaign. Nixon was sent to South Vietnam to assure the French-connection government there that if France pulled out, the U.S. would step in to protect the drug trade from the GoIden Triangle. (Source: Frontline, 1988, "Guns. Drugs and the CIA"; Alexander Cockburn; "Cocaine, the CIA and Air America," S.F. Examiner, Feb. 2, '91; The Politics of Heroin in Southeast Asia, Alfred McCoy, 1972.)

CONTINUED...

http://www.sumeria.net/politics/kennedy.html
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 03:54 PM
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8. So W has been outing CIA agents
all his life? No wonder he thinks it's no big deal.


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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 06:58 PM
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17. Nixon said: "If the President does it, it's not against the law."
So we can see on what the unelected moron and the turds on the Supreme Court base their understanding of the law. Bush will do ANYTHING -- out CIA agents involved in the most important work to stop the spread of WMD or allow bin Laden to hijack airliners and use them as WMD. Bush is a psychotic imbecile who just doesn't care -- a psychopathic personality (if he had one).



It is my belief Corporate McPravda has whored for the traitors for almost 41 years. They're so practiced and the press so supine..

Bush Team Knows How To Play the Media in Spy Crime Cover-Up

By Charles Brady

You've got to hand it to the folks in the Bush administration. For all their habitual furtiveness, they sure know how to play the media when it serves their purpose. And for all of their "liberal bias," the media have certainly illustrated a stalwart allegiance to being played.

The immediate case in point is the Valerie Plame affair. A clandestine CIA operative, Plame had the ill luck to be married to ambassador Joseph Wilson, who incurred the wrath of the Bush administration by exposing some of the phoniness of the WMD "intelligence" used to justify the Iraq invasion. In spiteful reaction, at least two "senior administration officials" provided a half-dozen media outlets with "background" information which "outed" Plame, thereby effectively ruining her career and endangering the safety of her and other CIA operatives with whom she had dealt.

In the year since Chicago Sun Times columnist Robert Novak executed the administration's dirty deed, a federal grand jury has been trying to determine the source of the "leak" because it is a federal crime to reveal the identity of an undercover agent. The absurd irony of this investigation - rarely noted by the media - is that the prosecutors and grand jury have devoted months, and undoubtedly hundreds of thousands of dollars, trying to identify persons who could have been easily ID'd by Novak or any of the other recipients of the leak.

In recent developments, several journalists, subpoenaed and threatened with contempt sanctions, have been interviewed by federal prosecutors regarding their conversations with I. Lewis Libby, chief of staff for Vice President Cheney. Libby, considered a possible leak culprit ever since the scandal surfaced, was said to have waived the responsibility of the reporters to keep their conversations confidential.

CONTINUED...
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 07:38 PM
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18. Bush's biggest problem
is that he knows he's a worthless lowlife, who would never have achieved anything, if it wasn't for his famous and powerful father.

Except for a few close friends, W see everyone else has the enemy. He hates them because he knows that they hate him.

W is a serious psycho. He reminds me of Ted Bundy, without the charm.

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 10:42 PM
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19. "Ted Bundy, without the charm."
Well said, DoYouEverWonder!



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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 04:21 PM
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9. from Kitty
He pushed the Justice Department to prosecute the WASHINTON POST reporter Bob Woodward for publishing the the first account of CIA electronic surveillance of government representatives in Micronesia. Bush maintained that Woodward had violated the Signals Intelligence Act, which makes it a felony to publish any classified information. Yet Bush withheld the CIA files that would have proven the agency's involvement. So the Justice Department dropped the case againt the journalist.

He refused to cooperate with the investigation into the Washington, D.C., bombing of the car of the former Chilean Ambassador to the United States, Orlando letelier, that killed Letelier and Ronni Moffitt, a colleague from the Institute of Policy Studies. The murder was directed by Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet's secret service, and the CIA knew that two of the assassins were in the United States at the time of the bombing. Needing to cover up the CIA's involvement with the Chilean secret service, George directed the agency to leak the story that the bombing was the work not of the obvious supects but of leftists looking to create a martyr for their cause.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 06:11 PM
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13. To think that 95% of us bought all this CIA boyscout crap for most of the
last century.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 06:21 PM
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14. I think the truth is the bushits hate America..their best friend is still
Will Farrish III, who bushits made Ambassador to England in this administration

Farrish ran Standard Oil for John D. Rockefeller and was very pro-Nazi - Prescott Bush managed associated businesses in and dealing with the finances and war production for Naziland -FDR and Harry Truman and the democrats, after WW2, brought Farrish 1 before the Senate Committees. Farrish, who threatened to cut off oil to America
during the war, committed suicide. Farrish II was in the air force.
When it was learned what his father's sympathies were and how he had threatened to cut off America's oil needed for airplanes and vehicles,- he had a "mysterious" crash. That left 4 year old Will Farrish III the inheritor of the Farrish millions and the bushit ties
that bind. Nazism.

bastids.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-04 12:14 PM
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26. The INSLAW Octopus
The lucky ons went bankrupt, this info cost many people their lives (Edwin Meese III lost his son in a high-speed car accident back around then ):


The INSLAW Octopus

Software piracy, conspiracy, cover-up, stonewalling, covert action: Just another decade at the Department of Justice


By Richard L. Fricker

Hacking & Warez

The House Judiciary Committee lists these crimes as among the possible violations perpetrated by "high-level Justice officials and private individuals":
>> Conspiracy to commit an offense >> Fraud >> Wire fraud >> Obstruction of proceedings before departments, agencies and committees >> Tampering with a witness >> Retaliation against a witness >> Perjury >> Interference with commerce by threats or violence >> Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) violations >> Transportation of stolen goods, securities, moneys >> Receiving stolen goods

Bill Hamilton, Inslaw & PROMIS

Who:


Bill Hamilton and his wife, Nancy Hamilton, start Inslaw to nurture PROMIS (Prosecutors Management Information Systems).

Why #1:

The DOJ, aware that its case management system is in dire need of automation, funds Inslaw and PROMIS. After creating a public-domain version, Inslaw makes significant enhancements to PROMIS and, aware that the US market for legal automation is worth $3 billion, goes private in the early '80s.

Why #2:

Designed as case-management software for federal prosecutors, PROMIS has the ability to combine disparate databases, and to track people by their involvement with the legal system. Hamilton and others now claim that the DOJ has modified PROMIS to monitor intelligence operations, agents and targets, instead of legal cases.

SNIP (TOO BIG BUT WELL WORTH LOOKING INTO)...

What for the past decade has been known as the Inslaw affair began to unravel in the final, shredder-happy days of the Bush administration. According to Federal court documents, PROMIS was stolen from Inslaw by the Department of Justice directly after Etian's 1983 visit to Inslaw (a later congressional investigation preferred to use the word "misappropriated"). And according to sworn affidavits, PROMIS was then given or sold at a profit to Israel and as many as 80 other countries by Dr. Earl W. Brian, a man with close personal and business ties to then-President Ronald Reagan and then-Presidential counsel Edwin Meese.

A House Judiciary Committee report released last September found evidence raising "serious concerns" that high officials at the Department of Justice executed a pre-meditated plan to destroy Inslaw and co-opt the rights to its PROMIS software. The committee's call for an independent counsel have fallen on deaf ears. One journalist, Danny Casolaro, died as he attempted to tell the story (see sidebar), and boxes of documents relating to the case have been destroyed, stolen, or conveniently "lost" by the Department of Justice.

But so far, not a single person has been held accountable.

CONTINUED...

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/1.01/inslaw.html?topic=&topic_set=
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-04 01:08 PM
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27. FBI intensively reviewing several high-profile neocons going back 30 years
Spy Probe Scans
Neocon-Israel Ties

by Jim Lobe

At the same time, another Pentagon office concerned with the transfer of sensitive military and dual-use technologies has been examining the acquisition, modification and sales of key hi-tech military equipment by Israel obtained from the United States, in some cases with the help of prominent neoconservatives who were then serving in the government.

Some of that equipment has been sold by Israel – which in the last 20 years has become a top exporter of the world's most sophisticated hi-tech information and weapons technology – or by Israeli middlemen, to Russia, China and other potential U.S. strategic rivals. Some of it has also found its way onto the black market, where terrorist groups – possibly including al-Qaeda – obtained bootlegged copies, according to these sources.

Of particular interest in that connection are derivatives of a powerful case-management software called PROMIS that was produced by INSLAW Inc. in the early 1980s and acquired by Israel's Mossad intelligence agency, which then sold its own versions to other foreign intelligence agencies in the Middle East, Asia and Eastern Europe.

A modified version of the software, which is used to monitor and track files on a multitude of databases, is believed to have been acquired by al-Qaeda on the black market in the late 1990s, possibly facilitating the group's global banking and money-laundering schemes, according to a Washington Times story of June 2001.

According to one source, Pentagon investigators believe it possible that al-Qaeda used the software to spy on various U.S. agencies that could have detected or foiled the Sept. 11, 2001 attack.

more
http://www.antiwar.com/lobe/?articleid=3478

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-04 10:33 PM
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29. The idea with the PROMIS trap-door was to spy on political prisoners...
... meaning all the people going through the world's criminal "justice" systems. In effect, the neo-cons could find all the "disappeared." Then again, they pretty much ordered them to disappear in the first place...



New Israeli spy probe has a 30-year history, insiders say

By Jim Lobe
Updated Sep 14, 2004

* U.S. foreign policy Hijacked (FCN, 07/02/2004)

SEATTLE (IPS/GIN) - The burgeoning probe over claims that a Pentagon official passed highly classified secrets to a Zionist lobby group is part of a much broader network of FBI and Pentagon investigations of prominent U.S. neo-conservatives and their ties to Israel dating back some 30 years, according to knowledgeable sources.

SNIP...

Some of these past investigations involve top current officials, including Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz; Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Douglas Feith, whose office appears to be the focus of the most recently disclosed inquiry; and Richard Perle, who resigned as Defense Policy Board (DPB) chairman last year.

SNIP...

Some of that equipment has been sold by Israel—which in the last 20 years has become a top exporter of the world’s most sophisticated hi-tech information and weapons technology—or by Israeli middlemen, to Russia, China and other U.S. strategic rivals. Some of it has also found its way onto the black market, where terrorist groups obtained bootlegged copies, according to these sources.

Of particular interest in that connection are derivatives of a powerful case-management software called PROMIS that was produced by INSLAW, Inc. in the early 1980s and acquired by Israel’s Mossad intelligence agency, which then sold its own versions to other foreign intelligence agencies in the Middle East, Asia and Eastern Europe.

But these versions were modified with a “trap door” that permitted the seller to spy on the buyers’ own intelligence files and possibly the U.S., according to a number of published reports.

CONTINUED...

http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/article_1576.shtml
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-04 01:41 PM
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28. Bin Laden's Magic Carpet - Secret U.S. PROMIS Software
FBI/Justice Claims of Discontinued Use Leave Questions Unanswered
Britain and Germany in the Lurch?
Did bin Laden Use It To Break White House Codes And Threaten Air Force One?
by
Michael C. Ruppert

FTW, October 26, 2001 - 1300 PDT (UPDATED Nov. 16, 2001) - An October 16 FOX News report by correspondent Carl Cameron indicating that convicted spy, former FBI Agent Robert Hanssen, had provided a highly secret computer software program called Promis to Russian organized crime figures - who in turn reportedly sold it to Osama bin Laden - may signal a potential intelligence disaster for the United States. Admissions by the FBI and Justice in the FOX story that they have discontinued use of the software are most certainly a legal disaster for a government that has been engaged in a 16-year battle with the software's creator, William Hamilton, CEO of the Inslaw Corporation. Over those 16 years, in response to lawsuits filed by Hamilton charging that the government had stolen the software from Inslaw, the FBI, the CIA and the Department of Justice have denied, in court and under oath, ever using the software.

Bin Laden's reported possession of Promis software was clearly reported in a June 15, 2001 story by Washington Times reporter Jerry Seper. That story went unnoticed by the major media. In it Seper wrote, "The software delivered to the Russian handlers and later sent to bin Laden, according to sources, is believed to be an upgraded version of a program known as Promis - developed in the 1980s by a Washington firm, Inslaw, Inc., to give attorneys the ability to keep tabs on their caseloads. It would give bin Laden the ability to monitor U.S. efforts to track him down, federal law-enforcement officials say. It also gives him access to databases on specific targets of his choosing and the ability to monitor electronic-banking transactions, easing money-laundering operations for himself or others, according to sources."

In a series of excellent stories by The Times, and as confirmed by parts of the FOX broadcast, it appears that Hanssen, who was arrested in February, in order to escape the death penalty this summer, agreed to provide the FBI and other intelligence agencies with a full accounting of his sale of Promis overseas. Reports state that almost until the moment of his capture, Hanssen was charged with "repairing" and upgrading versions of the software used by Britain and Germany.

On October 17, two different spokespersons at the FBI's Office of Public Affairs told FTW, "The FBI has discontinued use of the Promis software." The spokespersons declined to give their names.

On October 24, Department of Justice spokesperson Loren Pfeifle declined to answer any questions about where, when or how Promis had been used and would say only, "I can only confirm that the DoJ has discontinued use of the program."

....

Vol. IV, No 7 - Oct. 15, 2001] Suspicions of CIA advance knowledge of the attacks were heightened when FTW disclosed that the current Executive Director of the CIA, A.B. "Buzzy" Krongard was, until 1998, the CEO of A.B. Brown, the company which handled many of the suspicious trades.

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/magic_carpet.html
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-04 10:42 PM
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30. Who's Zooming Whom?
Hey, Coincidence Theorists! Here's something to consider...

Earl Brian: Reagan's 'Scandal Man' Off to Jail

By Richard L. Fricker

Few ostensibly private citizens passed through as many controversies of the Reagan-Bush era as did Dr. Earl W. Brian, a decorated Vietnam War veteran and a longtime aide to Ronald Reagan. Even fewer found their credibility more aggressively defended by both Republicans and investigators whose job it was to get at the truth.

Brian's credibility was a sledgehammer knocking down two scandals in particular: the October Surprise case which held that Reagan's men sabotaged President Carter's Iran hostage negotiations to help win the 1980 election, and the PROMIS affair which purports that Reagan's team stole a valuable software program from a small company, modified it for intelligence purposes and let Brian share the profits.

Brian angrily denied any participation in these affairs and his veracity was accepted by government investigators. Relying in part on Brian's testimony, official inquiries "debunked" both scandals. Since then, the Washington news media has consigned the controversies to the fantasyland of bogus "conspiracy theories."

It is, therefore, not surprising that the powers-that-be in Washington have been virtually silent in recent months as Brian's credibility has crumbled. On Oct. 17, 1996, after a four-month trial, a federal jury in Los Angeles convicted Brian on 10 counts of criminal behavior, including conspiracy and commission of bank and securities fraud. He was ordered to report for the

The evidence now shows that Dr. Brian -- Mr. Credibility in denying October Surprise and PROMIS allegations -- was a con man.

CONTINUED...

http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/xfile11.html

Of course, now that the Executive, both houses of Congress and a majority of the supreme turds are BFEE-controlled, it's highly unlikely we'll see any mroe of these traitors go to jail... unless the Truth gets out and informed people VOTE!
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-04 12:13 AM
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24. Ultimate Irony
Ha! W's big mouth must be the source for public knowledge regarding Poppy's real occupation -- secret agent man. Except in Poppy's case, rather than fighting bad guys, he spent his career being chums with the likes of fascists and traitors.



Justice: Bush's dim son confirmed our worst fear about the BFEE.

New DUers and visitors might want to check out www.CIAJFK.com and its excellent section on the relationship between George Herbert Walker Bush and George de Mohrenschildt, the man some call Oswald's "Handler."
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 06:30 PM
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15. Great catch, Octa-man!
Edited on Fri Sep-24-04 06:47 PM by Minstrel Boy
Check out this thread too for some interesting stuff on Poppy's old Bay o' Pigs-Iran/Contra pal, Felix Rodriguez, aka "Max Gomez." Did you know the murderous, drug dealing thug of the Octopus is an elector for Bush in Florida, and spreading shit about Kerry?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=860506&mesg_id=860506&page=
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 11:27 PM
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20. How Poppy’s Goon Got Che’s Watch
Seeing it on a discount table over a decade ago, I picked up and read Felix I. Rodriguez’s autobiography, “Shadow Warrior.” Talk about a self-aggrandizing mind. Gee. He would’ve singlehandedly saved Cuba, sacrificing his own life if need be, if he only had a clear shot at Fidel. Right.



Regarding the stuff with Che: In the book, Rodriguez makes out like he had no choice in killing Che Guevara. It was up to the Bolivian Army and the guys in the field took orders from La Paz. And, anyway, Felix was just along for the helicopter ride that day as an advisor. Right.

From “Shadow Warrior”…pp. 161-162.

Che was lying on his side on the floor, his arms tied behind his back and his feet bound together. Near Che lay the corpses of two guerrillas. One — Antonio was his nom de guerre — was in fact a Cuban officer named Orlando Pantojas who had served with Che going back to the guerrilla days in the Sierra Maestra. The other, Arturo, had been a Cuban army intelligence captain. His real name was Rene Martinez Tamayo. In the adjoining rooms to our right similarly bound, was a Bolivian guerrilla named Willy, a fomer mine-worker’s union leader from Paco’s hometown of Oruro, whose real name was Simon Cuba Saravia.

Che’s leg wound was slightly, but visibly, oozing blood. He was a mess. Hair matted, clothes ragged and torn.

(Bolivian Army Colonel) Zenteno spoke. I stood behind him, silent, completely absorbed the moment. “Why did you chose to come to Bolivia?” he asked Che.

There was no reply.

END OF QUOTE…

Rodriguez spends the next few pages making out how the Agency wanted Che alive, but those Bolivians gave the go-ahead for Operation Five Hundred (Che) and Six Hundred (dead).

PS: Thanks for the heads-up Minstrel-San. Max Gomez is a handy turd of the BFEE. The same murderous tactics “patriots” like Rodriguez has applied to commies like Che, I’m sad to write, have been applied to to Liberal Democrats like John F. Kennedy, Martin Luther King, Jr., Robert F. Kennedy, Frank Church, Paul Wellstone and many other truly good men and women — real patriots.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 11:41 PM
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21. I always knew that Poppy had been a dirty spook for a very long time...
it's the only thing that explains the strange and curious rise of GHWB. Both the Bush family and the CIA are longtime cancers on our democracy.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-04 12:06 AM
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22. Capitalism's Invisible Army
You got it, mitchum! From a while ago...

What is the BFEE?

It's the WAR PARTY.

The Bush Family Evil Empire are the people who make money off of war. Remember, these turds are the ones who made sure Halliburton got paid first and up-front. If ENRON hadn't been busted, they'd be first in line.

The Bush Organized Crime Family makes money off of drugs. There's a reason they're so illegal. It's called a black market and he who controls it is called a gangster on TV or Mr. President.

Bushco makes money off of money laundering. Riggs Bank is the tip of the BFEE iceberg. Check out BCCI, the Savings & Loans Scandals, Nugan Hand Bank, Banco Nazionale del Lavoro and so on. You'll find the usual names.

Bushco Offshore makes money off of petroleum. Who controls the oil, controls the global economy, stupid. Let alone the war machine.

The Bush Madministration makes money off of YOU, by cutting the taxes of the rich at your expense in terms of government services...like public education, healthcare, Social Security.

Meanwhle Smirko prints money that goes to his buddies who build the war machinery and finance the national debt. Then Your kids get the bill by paying off the debt.

But it's hard to do something about criminality, especially when they control the:

The U.S. House of Representatives.
The U.S. Senate.
The U.S. Supreme Court.
The White House.

Well. They certainly don't have our interests at heart.

There's a way to change things, DU. Keep spreading the word on these bed-wetters. Before we know it, the days of gangster government, the Feudalist Society and PNAC will be over.

Original source:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1689174



Lovely people.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-04 12:08 AM
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23. Margaret Thatcher's collusion with George Herbert Bush
Edited on Sat Sep-25-04 12:11 AM by seemslikeadream
from emad aisat sana

Tories blocked Maxwell inquiry


BBC News

Maxwell stole an estimated £400m from the Mirror Group pension fund


An official inquiry into the death of Robert Maxwell was secretly blocked by ministers in John Major's Conservative government, records reveal. Malcolm Rifkind, then transport secretary, ordered that no investigation be held in Britain.

Mr Maxwell had looted an estimated £400m from the Mirror Group pension fund and was crippled by debt.

The political manoeuvring was revealed in records released to the National Archives at Kew, London.

Files show that there were fears among officials that an inquiry in Britain would spark a media frenzy.

More:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3681364.stm

Happy "50th" Birthday Cherie Blair!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Great day to release this archived material.

The real reason Major's government blocked the enquiry was to continue the massive deception of Margaret Thatcher's collusion with George Herbert Bush (as Vice President 1980-88):




Not just Spanish:"ROBERT MAXWELL WAS A MOSSAD SPY"
Dec 2 2002
New claim on tycoon's mystery death
By Gordon Thomas And Martin Dillon

The Mirror

"But now, after two and a half years of investigative journalism, we believe we have unearthed the true story of Maxwell's death and can reveal how he was murdered by the Israeli secret service, Mossad.
Our work, supported by documents, including FBI reports and secret intelligence files from behind the Iron Curtain, shows Maxwell had worked as a secret super spy for Mossad for six years.

The Czech-born millionaire and former Labour MP died the way he had lived - threatening. He had threatened his wife. Threatened his children. Threatened the staff of this newspaper.But finally he issued one threat too many - he threatened Mossad. He told them that unless they gave him £400million to save his crumbling empire, he would expose all he had done for them."...............

In that time, he had free access to Margaret Thatcher's Downing Street, to Ronald Reagan's White House, to the Kremlin and to the corridors of power throughout Europe.

On top of that he had built himself a position of power within the crime families of eastern Europe, teaching them how to funnel their vast wealth from drugs, arms smuggling and prostitution to banks in safe havens around the globe.

MAXWELL passed on all the secrets he learned to Mossad in Tel Aviv. In turn, they tolerated his excesses, vanities and insatiable appetite for a luxurious lifestyle and women.He told his controllers who they should target and how they should do it. He appointed himself as Israel's unofficial ambassador to the Soviet Bloc. Mossad saw the advantage in that.Having learned many of the key secrets of the Soviet empire, Maxwell was given his greatest chance to be a super spy.Mossad had stolen from America the most important piece of software in the US arsenal. Maxwell was given the job of marketing the stolen software, called Promis.Mossad had reconstructed the software and inserted into it a device which enabled them to track the use any purchaser made of the it.Sitting in Israel, Mossad would know exactly what was going on inside all the intelligence services that bought it. In all, Maxwell sold it to 42 countries, including China and Soviet Bloc nations. But his greatest triumph was selling it to Los Alamos, the very heart of the US nuclear defence system.

More More More

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/page.cfm?objectid=12419168&method=full&siteid=50143


There are UK government papers relating to Robert Maxwell and
Richard McGarrach Helms and their involvement in BCCI (the London class action is currently sitting in the Royal Courts of Justice where the Bank of England is being sued for misfeasance for £1billion). Some of these were finally subpoenaed late last year from MI5 and MI6 by the plaintiffs and are to be heard in evidence, re money laundering connected to Bush 1 when VP. Helms was director and minority shareholder of BCCI Holdings in the Antilles in the early 1980s.

:hi:
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-04 08:55 AM
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25. Shocked to discover that the world's secret "services" ...
... would work together to keep the Cold War going -- the struggle that perpetuated their privileged positions of power as well as their bosses' status as global rulers. Shocked.



Thanks for the heads-up on the Maxwell story, seemslikeadream! I really had no idea of how the guy did his turdy work. That good old military-industrial complex at work...

ROBERT MAXWELL WAS A MOSSAD SPY

New claim on tycoon's mystery death


By Gordon Thomas And Martin Dillon

EXCERPT...

He was approached by Vladimir Kryuchkov, head of the KGB.

Spymaster and tycoon met in the utmost secrecy in the Kremlin.

Kryuchkov had an extraordinary proposal. He wanted Maxwell to help orchestrate the overthrow of Mikhail Gorbachev, the reformist Soviet leader. That would bring to an end a fledgling democracy and a return to the Cold War days.

In return, Maxwell's massive debts would be wiped out by a grateful Kryuchkov, who planned to replace Gorbachev. The KGB chief wanted Maxwell to use the Lady Ghislaine, named after Maxwell's daughter, as a meeting place between the Russian plotters, Mossad chiefs and Israel's top politicians.

The plan was for the Israelis to go to Washington and say that democracy could not work in Russia and that it was better to allow the country to return to a modified form of communism, which America could help to control. In return, Kryuchkov would guarantee to free hundreds of thousands of Jews and dissidents in the Soviet republics.

CONTINUED...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/page.cfm?objectid=12419168&method=full&siteid=50143
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31. EEEEEEEEKKKKKK!!!!!
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