Has Bush decided to invade Iran?

He had the Iraq project decided on before his first term even started. My guess is that, IF he gets a second term, he'll find a reason to attack Iran. Thoughts?

and then N. Korea will attack us, justifying their nuclear strike because of Bush's "Axis of Evil" speech.

We will hold Iraq, then draw Syria and Iran into us. Enough cross boarder terrorism will justify waging "a war on terror that does not recognize political boarders."

Bush Doctrine of 'pre-emptiveness', especially that dumb Doctrine, will allow ANY OTHER COUNTRY to use the same excuse when going after us.

Given he US's infantile attitudes and actions, should that happen, what will the civilized world think? Who will the support, or will they do nothing?

Published on Tuesday, September 21, 2004 by Reuters


Eyeing Iran Reactors, Israel Seeks U.S. Bunker Bombs
by Dan Williams

JERUSALEM - The United States plans to sell Israel $319 million worth of air-launched bombs, including 500 "bunker busters" able to penetrate Iran's underground nuclear facilities, Israeli security sources said on Tuesday.

The United States plans to sell Israel $319 million worth of air-launched bombs, including 500 'bunker busters' able to penetrate Iran's underground nuclear facilities, Israeli security sources said on September 21, 2004. The Haaretz newspaper quoted a Pentagon report as saying the planned procurement sought 'to maintain Israel's qualitative advantage and advance U.S. strategic and tactical interests.' A GBU-27 laser guided 'bunker buster' bomb is seen in this undated file photo. Photo by Reuters

The Haaretz newspaper quoted a Pentagon report as saying the planned procurement sought "to maintain Israel's qualitative advantage and advance U.S. strategic and tactical interests."

The U.S. embassy in Israel had no comment, referring queries to Washington. Israel's Defense Ministry also declined comment.


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That is what this is all about. War Profiteering and they don't try to hide it.

sealed in tin foil.

I doubt if it was Bush*.

democracy will spread the the plague in Iran. They will throw flowers at our feet. It's la-la land at the White House.

If you include support. Of course, he will probably try to do it with 50,000 special ops guys and some new war toy he developed. I think the army will stop him before they let him do this, then we can look forward to military rule!

and has dozens of his little friends working to do his stupid untutored bidding.

They'll say they hit 'nuclear sites' and leave it at that. There won't be any argument over whether or not they were nuclear power plants or nuclear weapons plants.

Bush will brag about saving the world from terrorist states with nuclear weapons, and he'll do everything he can to blur the line between Iraq and Iran.

they draw no distinction between the US and Israel. To them we are Israel's hit man.

If either the US or Israel bombs Iran, look for their army to sweep across the borders, shut down the Persian gulf. That will put us in such a bad situation that we will have to use nukes just to protect our troops.

North Korea will wait to see what happens and look for a sign of weakness. If they see any, they will strike out against us.

As the cheering uh-rah-rah Republican Team supporters say: "Thank God George Bush is our President!"

Carl Sandburg - Four Preludes on Playthings of the Wind


“The past is a bucket of ashes.”

1

THE WOMAN named To-morrow
sits with a hairpin in her teeth
and takes her time
and does her hair the way she wants it
and fastens at last the last braid and coil
and puts the hairpin where it belongs
and turns and drawls: Well, what of it?
My grandmother, Yesterday, is gone.
What of it? Let the dead be dead.

2

The doors were cedar
and the panels strips of gold
and the girls were golden girls
and the panels read and the girls chanted:
We are the greatest city,
the greatest nation:
nothing like us ever was.

The doors are twisted on broken hinges.
Sheets of rain swish through on the wind
where the golden girls ran and the panels read:
We are the greatest city,
the greatest nation,
nothing like us ever was.

3

It has happened before.
Strong men put up a city and got
a nation together,
And paid singers to sing and women
to warble: We are the greatest city,
the greatest nation,
nothing like us ever was.

And while the singers sang
and the strong men listened
and paid the singers well
and felt good about it all,
there were rats and lizards who listened
… and the only listeners left now
… are … the rats … and the lizards.

And there are black crows
crying, “Caw, caw,”
bringing mud and sticks
building a nest
over the words carved
on the doors where the panels were cedar
and the strips on the panels were gold
and the golden girls came singing:
We are the greatest city,
the greatest nation:
nothing like us ever was.

The only singers now are crows crying, “Caw, caw,”
And the sheets of rain whine in the wind and doorways.
And the only listeners now are … the rats … and the lizards.

4

The feet of the rats
scribble on the door sills;
the hieroglyphs of the rat footprints
chatter the pedigrees of the rats
and babble of the blood
and gabble of the breed
of the grandfathers and the great-grandfathers
of the rats.

And the wind shifts
and the dust on a door sill shifts
and even the writing of the rat footprints
tells us nothing, nothing at all
about the greatest city, the greatest nation
where the strong men listened
and the women warbled: Nothing like us ever was.

the population is almost triple the size, it's a far bigger country with much different topography. the best * could hope is trying to get the uprising in full swing, i don't think that going to happen. Iranians will overthrow their government when they want to. My brother in law is from Tehran, he's been here for about 25 years now and his parents still go back and forth so they keep him up to date on whats going on and then he in turn tells me.

which shoes to wear but anything else?

decision makers.

Condi Rice & Powell have all said something to the effect that the "world" is not going to tolerate Iran... in the last month or so.

Israel said yesterday that Iran is the next Saddam Hussein as far as terrorist targets go.

is itchin' to attack Iran but they will wait for the US Neo Fascist green light and backup.

Will Iran pre-empt?

That's why they're so hell-bent on building up their nukes. The coWard-in-chief only ordered the invasion of Iraq because he knew Saddam was disarmed. If we'd had credible intelligence confirming the existence of WMDs in Iraq prior to the invasion, bush would have bargained and "diplomacized", rather than getting entire divisions of American troops wasted and maybe Israel too. That's what's so fucking pathetic about all this.

We KNOW North Korea is ruled by a dispicable tyrant and has WMDs, do you see us invading them?

I could see Bush ordering airstrikes though.

It's just not possibe to invade Iran through the ground.

We ay bomb their nukular sites, or Israel may, but an invasion is just not possible. Too big, too mountainous, too populated.

I'm sure he wouldn't bother after all the trouble in Iraq.

or maybe Korea

Unless the draft starts. There is simply too few people and too few resources to wage a 3 front war over there, and Iran's military is nothing to play with. The only plus we would have in a conflict of this nature would be our strong Navy and Airforce. The Army and the Corps. are stretched to their limits and need new bodies immediately, which is why they are trying to bring some sailors and airmen over before they start the draft. Good luck to all the younger guys out there!

-anchs

but a "pre-emptive" airstrike seems more than possible the way Shrub's been throwing out all the ballast.

God protect my son and all the other youngsters his age--Vote Kerry!

But It can't happen right now. I can't emphasize that enough. We are feeling a shortage of men and women at our command, we have 30 people doing a 100 person job. It's not fun, but I can imagine what the guys would feel like in actual combat zones with a 70% cut in forces to go fight Iran, Hence the Draft...IT HAS TO HAPPEN FOR BUSH TO ATTACK ANOTHER COUNTRY.

-Anchs

We'd be getting shot down, and that would be bad for flyboy's image.

He will, and you are correct not before the election.

I expect he will arrest osama or pull some other trick before the election.

He can't control Iraq, but he is stoooo..pid enough
to bomb Iran, if you think the U.S. is unpopular now...

He's just carrying on his daddy's "legacy" on by being in Iraq. He has been relishing the thought of attacking Iran, but with so much opposition to the Iraq war, it is doubtful that Bush will attack Iran unless they attack us first.

he's got 'em straight in his sights... they know it too. what gets me is these people who insist there will be no draft - do they think bush has a crech of jem-haddar?? sheesh....

Wouldn't be surprised at a bombing campaign, though.

Here's my best guess.

There's been so much war rhetoric between Israel and Iran lately, I suspect the admin is banking on one of them to start something. If that happens, the US could assist with airstrikes. Once the thing ignites into full scale war with Israel (and probably involving Iranian attacks on US forces in Iraq), the admin could claim they now have no choice but a ground war. Since that's impossible with the current supply of troops in the middle east, the admin would then have the leverage to claim they have no choice but to draft. This would also make it possible to put the public back into gungho war mode--so Congress could pass it and not pay for it in the next election.

Just a guess. I do think the overextended military issue (and the inability to start up the draft without some emergency situation to justify it) makes it unlikely that the US would strike first or with more than airstrikes.

He hasn't the troops or the money to invade Iran. But, nice "clean" airstrikes in by, or in conjunction with, Israel is likely. Especially if there terrorist attacks in the mainland USA.

Including draft of major industries, etc. as in WWII.

But you can bet your ass Iran is ready to invade Iraq if it gets any hotter.

Rumsfeld hints at a possible early pullout from Iraq: http://www.iht.com/articles/540556.html

Now, are we really to believe that Rumsfeld is suggesting bringing the boys HOME? Maybe Iran would be a convenient place for them to relocate?

This is Rumsfeld after all, a signatory to PNAC's manifesto, which does not, if I recall correctly, include getting our military back home as soon as possible. A selection from PNAC:

"Although Saudi domestic sensibilities demand that the forces based in the Kingdom nominally remain rotational forces, it has become apparent that this is now a semi-permanent mission. From an American perspective, the value of such bases would endure even should Saddam pass from the scene. Over the long term, Iran may well prove as large a threat to U.S. interests in the Gulf as Iraq has. And even should U.S.-Iranian relations improve, retaining forward-based forces in the region would still be an essential element in U.S. security strategy given the longstanding American interests in the region"