My God, can you believe these people?!

I am sorry if this is a dupe but:


G.O.P. Senate Candidate Says He Sterilized Under-Age Women

OKLAHOMA CITY, Sept. 24 (AP) - Dr. Tom Coburn, a physician and Republican Senate candidate who is facing accusations that he sterilized a young woman without her permission 14 years ago, now says he performed similar procedures on "lots" of under-age women at their request.
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"It's a deliberate effort on the behalf of Brad Carson to avoid talking about his liberal voting record," Mr. Hart said.

Dr. Coburn and Mr. Carson, a Democrat, are in a tight race for the post that Senator Don Nickles, a Republican, is leaving after 24 years. The campaign grew more divisive with the emergence of details about the sterilization in 1990

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http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/25/politics/25oklahoma.html



And he does not see at all how this is wrong!

Bush* to get wind of this if Coburn isn't raked over the coals for what he's done.

to be sterilized and I am sure those young women who 'consented' probably were coerced into doing so.

around "consented," and I agree with you. Either that, or they were told there was some pressing medical reason for it. All of his patients need to come forward, I think.

Anyone who is under 18, should never have anything major done to them unless there is a serious need. And just because the doctor has some opinion does not give him/her the right to destroy a woman's fertility.

If you believe that assisted suicide and torture is just alright.

"If you believe that assisted suicide and torture is just alright." - Torture and "assisted suicide" are mentioned together here. Why? What do you mean by "assisted suicide?" What do these subjects have to do with abortion?



Welcome to DU! Good luck!

reality- the quality and state of being real.the totality of real events.

I would not seem normal people would think this way. Norms what society views as normal.I couldn't wake up one day and justify what he has or George Bush. I feel sad the troops die and feel sad but Bush put them in that position. He is a failure to the American people. His view is you do not love your country if you don't agree with me don't question me. He uses in what psychology is known as denial of victim. Sykes and Matza gave five neutralization techniques.

Denial of victim - Criminals rationalize their crimes by saying the victim had it coming.

Saddam is portrayed as responsible for 9-11 he had it coming except there are flaws in the claim that lead to the denial making it a war crime. There are five techniques that criminals use to neutralize the crime you can read about them all. The portrait and explanation is not societal norms in both cases or a state of being real.

When I said, "you're going to have to explain YOUR "reality," I did not ask for a textbook definition of reality nor a convoluted explanation of what the word "normal" means to you. It wasn't meant to be taken literally nor did I ever mention Bush or Saddam in this conversation - they have nothing to do with this post, my questions, nor this entire thread.

What about answering the questions I put to you before?

"If you believe that assisted suicide and torture is just alright." - Torture and "assisted suicide" are mentioned together here. Why? What do you mean by "assisted suicide?" What do these subjects have to do with abortion?

other 'fruitcake' behavior by Coburn... Yikes! He should have stayed 'retired'!!

http://www.thesyndrome.com/archives/00001100.htm

my area was nuts.

You probably don't know how hard it is for a woman to get sterilized, especially if she's young. Lots of nannygoats bray "but you'll chaaaaaaaaange your mind!' - funny how they never say that to a pregnant woman. But I digress.

I know plenty of women who were sterilized in their early 20s; I know plenty more who would have been at 16 if they could have been. This man may be an ass, but not for performing sterilizations on young women who wished to be sterilized.

(By the way - nullaparous women almost *never* regret being sterilized.)

the doc were doing "selective" sterilizations, e.g., minorities (as in eugenics). Again, we don't know if this suggestion is true or not as to this doc. We both agree that more info is needed to make a reasonable conclusion about this guy . . .

as having sterilized an underage girl without her consent and against her will while operating for an ectopic pregnancy.

The guy is scum.

apparently he performed an emergency operation to save a female patient's life due to a tubal pregnancy . . . w/ consent or w/o consent to remove the other ovary . . . its so factually driven that it comes down to "she said, he said" but it's still sloppy medical practice anyway not to get a written consent . . . damn stupid too . . . and a medical malpractice set-up whether any wrongful act or not.

w/o DUers jumping all over me . . . I'd like to see more documentation about this guy b4 concluding as some of you have . . . politics or no.

I wanted a hysterectomy as soon as I found out what my future"joys" of femininity would entail,bleeding cramps pregnancy..I don't enjoy kids I never wanted motherhood and I don't identify as female.

It has been this way for as long as I can remember.
On my first trip to a GYN I asked can you take my uterus out.I got the braying change my mind crap....I was 13 then I had my first period I was so upset about it I flew into a fit,and I hated it,I dreaded the future realizing I'd have this shit every month until I was old.I resent the pads the tampons,blood stink, it's gross painful and it was unwanted,it was really for me a curse. and I didn't want to experience another period the next month..
Every trip to a gyn was can you arrange somehow to take it out?
I got No..no No no..

I lived with it until I started bleeding ,bad. The cramps kept me in a ball in bed popping motrin like candy.I got more scared,as I got anemic. The silly gyn tried other methods first, one consisted of cauterizing the entire inside of the uterus.I still bled,3 weeks out of a month I bled and hated every second of it.The emotional consequences of that hormonal stuff made me crazy.

Well I got it out,happiest day of my life, I threw a party.
For years these stupid male GYNS and these woman mystery types tried to FORCE me to be bound by a biology I Did not choose.
So I made MY choice and the damn uterus was OUT .If they would not listen to me they HAD to listen to my body symptoms.Sad it had to come to that,to get what I felt I needed years ago.

The women that say they want kids someday,women that can appreciate that mother part of femininity and do not mind the blood,pain and kids and have a temperament geared for children should never be forced to be sterilized against their will. That's just evil.I had a roommate in a state run psych housing place be forced against her will have a thing inserted under her skin,in her arm..norplant.They threatened her with homelessness if she didn't comply..She was black.I was mad because it looked like eugenics to me...Cosidering...
I am white and my therapist the staff all fought against me getting a wanted and voluntary tubal ligation.(I was settling for half way because getting the uterus out was impossible for them to fathom)

I knew from elementary school on,I did not ever want kids.The docs I told about this desire for childlessness just brayed I might want kids someday like they didn't even hear me. The fools assumed I may change even in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.I know I don't have the emotional temperament for handling babies and 2 year olds.When kids come over the house I leave,because it's uncomfortable all the hoopla and stress babies cause by there presence.Babies disrupt everything. I don't enjoy being around young children I find them annoying and almost repulsive. Babies to me are not "cute" they are a pain in the ass.It ain't the babies fault I don't want to be around them_At All_ if I can help it..As is my right.

So I remove myself and my irritation away from where the kids are rather than yell and upset the kid, or tell a woman relative with her baby and her baby liking Friends to not see each other. They have rights too.I can deal with the kid when it's much older like 7 or 8.Whenever relatives have babies I just don't stick around, I avoid visiting the parents until the kid is old enough to be tolerable to me. It's my issue not theirs.I can't even stand to hold a baby,grosses me out..


So those of us who HATE that part of biological bondage to the potential of "motherhood" should not be held captive to that sentimental notion of some no matter how much domineering men insist on it to bolster their egos,insecure women who think they need to have some kid to fill a void in their lives or quiet thier'biological clocks', and the people who like kids insist on it.I'm different.And this also goes for termination of pregnancy,because sometimes the best way to be a parent is to not become one! Even when others insist,it's your life your body,until it is born than a parent has to face up that everything in their life is turned upside down their life by necessity takes a back seat for 18 years or more bound to the well being of the child. Some people don't want the fetter of children.And besides the world is overpopulated and life is rough why force an innocent to manifest here to grow up in this violent quagmire?.

I'm 35 and I still can't convince my HMO to give me a tubal. Yet I see them bending over backwards to give extremely costly fertility treatments to people who already have kids. It's ridiculous. And it's driving our insurance rates up even more. I do realize that people have had tubals and vasectomies reversed and the docs don't want to take that chance, but I promise you if I wanted kids I'd have had 'em by now. Like you, I have no so-called 'maternal instinct'. I think that's a myth anyway, a very dangerous one at that. So many kids suffer because society tells women 'you'll love the baby once it gets here'. Not necessarily the case. Look at Susan Smith and Andrea Yates.

Hold on, not every young woman (after 13) is like you. Many are scared, in a setting where an authority figure tell them "oh well permanently changing your life is a good thing to do" without a second opinion. This guy was in a position of authority and had done it once without consent, what is to say he did not use his position to force others?

As for getting the uterus removed, from what I have been able to understand, it is from a medical standpoint that they do not remove unless there is a medically necessary reason. But hey, I have not taken that many medical classes and I could be wrong.