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jumpstart33 Donating Member (328 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 11:27 PM
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This nation absolutely glorifies and worships WAR!!
Drove up 85 today from Norcross GA to Alexandria VA. It was a beautiful day and I could see clearly along the highway. So clear that almost every 20 miles I could see a highway sign or exit indicating some battlefied, or war monument or museum or park or war hero. I realized after arriving at my destination (not too far from some of the most grotesque war memorial and statues) that this country was founded upon and will forever celebrate and engage in WAR!!! (I didn't notice one PEACE monument).
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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 11:30 PM
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1. As long as someone else's child
fights it.
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RebelYell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 11:30 PM
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2. Warning: Testosterone is deadly. n/t
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Cat Atomic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 11:43 PM
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10. Greed is deadly.
And it knows no gender.
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Djinn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 11:31 PM
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3. so is every other nation
Edited on Sun Sep-26-04 11:32 PM by Djinn
every battlefield the Scots fought the English on/near is commemerated, and I'd say it's the same the world over. Warriors tend to be remembered a bit better than hippies, possibly because the hippies die in their beds after a long productive life??

As for whether testosterone is deadly - ask a few dead Falkland Islanders about the joy of Thatcher's war
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RebelYell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 11:36 PM
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7. Ok. One out of how many? n/t
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Dark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 11:48 PM
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12. Not just one.
Catherine the Great of Russia expanded Russia's borders, and not peacefully.

Isabella of Spain jailed and tortured many spaniards for dissenting with her or the church.

Elizabeth (the tudor) built England into a world power and had no reservations about using it.

And those are just the ones I can list off the top of my head.
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RebelYell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 11:51 PM
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13. Ok, that's 4. Out of how many? n/t
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RebelYell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 11:58 PM
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16. I didn't count them
but there appears to be a couple hundred listed.

4 out of 200 is 2%, isn't it? I think testosterone is more dangerous to the human species than estrogen.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars#Wars_in_History
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Djinn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 11:58 PM
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17. you don't think that has more to do with
Edited on Mon Sep-27-04 12:02 AM by Djinn
men generally having been in positions of power not that women have some inate pacifism.

Throughout history where women have had power they've used it as brutally as the men. Particularly in the pre-"Christ" era their were many matriarchal societies, all used violence and war.

It's a fact of human nature and the nature of power and greed not what's hanging (or not) between one's legs
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 11:31 PM
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4. "We're a warlike people" Michael Ledeen said.
"We don't hate casualties. We hate losing."

And the twisted fucker's right.
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mrbassman03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 11:32 PM
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5. I guess I'm just here by the only peace arch...
Edited on Sun Sep-26-04 11:37 PM by mrbassman03
At the Blaine border crossing in WA... I guess it is Canada, but still... there is some good here.
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UpsideDownFlag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 11:33 PM
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6. it's considered part of our history.
and besides, who wants to go to the site of a peace march reenactment?

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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 11:53 PM
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14. I did
I walked on the place at Kent state where the peace protesters were shot by the National Guard. My ex boyfriends father was a professor at Kent State.I live in Maryland and I was visiting my Ex's Parents...Since I knew they lived in Kent I wanted to go to Kent state..The story my ex's father told me about the events there,brought tears to my eyes and I was standing on the spot where some of these hero protesters fell I felt a sadness I can't describe. He saw it all. I went over to another part of the lawn and snatched a dandelion and laid it where I was told,Allison had died.
At Kent state there are alot of daffodils planted as a memorial.
When I was there,they were not blooming.
This place is a peace protest memorial,it exists because there was pressure put upon the"leaders" to display some sort of recognition.

Eventually the events of 1970 fell into obscurity.Most People forgot about peace.It was the time of yuppies cynical indulgence and hedonism,these disillusioned hippies in the 80's became the me-generation,upwardly mobile members of the business set. I guess since they lost the vision, they joined them,they had kids,and so because they felt like parents,they became established..T%he hippie movement said don't trust people over 30.If the hippie movement had a place for squares,old people and those who were different the hippie movement may have changed everything if it held onto the vision of peace and community,freedom,human rights,diversity and exploration.. and expanded it to those folks who would someday grow older than 30,who would become parents .If only the radical young had a big enough perspective to have had a stable way of life,a place waiting for their own revolutionaries in different roles,as they changed.Maybe they wouldn't have morphed into yuppies...by necessity.


http://www.may41970.com/chronology.htm
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UpsideDownFlag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 12:15 AM
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19. (i agree- i was being sarcastic) nt
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 11:37 PM
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8. I make a distinction between memorializing and glorifying
Militarism and jingoism in contemporary political debates is far different from memorializing the dead of past wars (some of which were justified) and learning the lessons from the wars that should not have been fought.
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ILeft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 11:41 PM
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9. Some people are trying: the Prairie Peace Park, Lincoln, NE
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 11:44 PM
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11. Hey, chill out
and enjoy what you saw! I live in TX and see nada. It's boring, flat, and enabled *. Enjoy our history! Embrace it!! Please don't let anything stop you from doing that. NOT EVEN THE LITTLE SHRUB. He is a little man, and I hope he gets stomped, but this is still OUR country, and don't ever confuse that.
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Wwagsthedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 12:07 AM
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18. Personally, I like our country and I like most of the people in it
My problem is with the ownership class. Here in TX they act like that cut above to rest of us for a reason. Dominance comes to mind. Economics is their gain. After all they get their direction aand backgrond from that ehich which is givin them but not us
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drunkdriver-in-chief Donating Member (267 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 11:56 PM
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15. Both political parties and the media support every war
Every time we have a war we are told constantly "in time of war, support your country, whether right or wrong." Which is crazy, but that's what both parties and the media tell us.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 12:17 AM
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20. Bush especially loves to kill foreigners.
It's a tradition!
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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 12:25 AM
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21. Welcome to the South
They do seem to be all over the place there. Not so much in the west and north. More Indian Reservations out west.
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 12:26 AM
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22. What a load of crap!
The fact that you drove through the area in our country, where the majority of battles were fought, in the 1 war, except the Revolution, which was fought on home soil, & it was marked, makes us militaristic?

Give me a break!

WWI...we were dragged in kicking & screaming

WWII...the world was at war, & Americans did NOT want to join the fight. It took Pearl Harbor to get us in.

Korea...vastly unpopular

Vietnam...vastly unpopular; witness the debate being held today about Vietnam, because our country was torn apart by it, & the wounds still have not healed.

What we celebrate are those who gave their lives so that someone like you would have the freedom to post the most ignorant post you can think of.

These monuments to war, AS YOU CALL THEM, are monuments to people who DIED, for the most part...they are gravesites.

Come out here to Hawaii, & visit Pearl Harbor, that monument to war.
And take the boat out to where the Arizona lies submerged, a tomb, containing the remains of the men who went down that day, when we were attacked.

And the fact that you find these places grotesque, is truly pathetic!
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renegade000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 12:40 AM
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23. being from arlington myself
i must say, there are other monuments, the lincoln memorial, the jefferson memorial, the washington monument, fdr memorial, that are less bellicose in nature.

though i must also disagree with your assessment.
the war memorials aren't a celebration of war, they are a tribute to those that fought and died (particularly the vietnam memorial - i don't see how a solemn wall of black granite with the names of those that died engenders warlike sentiments).

yes, arlington national cemetary, that big fawning tribute to the concept of war...

if you were to go up to the vietnam memorial, you might see a family rubbing a name as if, through this action, they were touching their relative again. or a veteran in a wheelchair weeping against the side of the wall, as if his comrades were just on the other side. are those celebrations of war? i think that is living celebration of peace if i ever saw one - a testament to what the horrors of war do not only to those killed...but those who are left behind.
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