Defending CBS to a Freeper. I may have gone too far!

Okay, I feel a litle guilty here. I may have gone overboard with a co-worker whom I call a mild freeper. Just let me take a minute to fill you in on this guy.He is very pro-Bush & conservative & at times can be a little mean, but overall he is a pretty nice guy. When I had car troubles last winter he ALWAYS offered to pick me up, wouldn't take gas money,etc. ALways ask about my Mom & my family. Birthdays & Christmas always gets me a card & alittle something. He knows I collect vintage devils & has in the past picked up postacrds & things of that nature because he knows I collect them(This always freaks me out a conservative who thinks my devil collection is cool) SO, as you can tell he's pretty cool most of the time. Its just when we get started about politics, things get a little hot. Here is pretty much our argument.

HIM: I don't know how you can watch CBS after there blatant attempt to smear Bush's good name & his military record. Hell, even I thought it was wrong for the Swift boat vets to attack Kerry's record, but CBS has no shame.

ME: It was an honest mistake which by the way I am convinced it was Bush's camp who leaked the story in the first place.

HIM: Your crazy! More speculation, no proof! CBS appologized because they got caught!

ME: (getting pissed) Well let me ask you this. Drudge said back in early 2001 that Al Gore was taking a job as a short order cook in a Diner he & Tipper were going to buy. That turned out to be wrong & Drudge didn't appologize. This past spring The Washington Post, NY Times & The NY Post, along with Drudge claimed Kerry had an affair with an intern. Did any of them take the responsibilty & appoligize? No! Bush said Iraq had WMD, did he appologize?No! Ho come its okay for Repulicans to wrong but not Democrats? IF a Republican is lies & gets caught they'mis-spoke' if a Democrat makes a mistake, an honest mistake I might add, they are the most vile disgusting creatures on the earth.

HIM: Your twisting things because your so desperate, your not gonna win this argument just like Kerry isn't gonna win the election. Deal with it.

ME: Ya know, I can't even talk to you about this. You refuse to listen to reason. Just watch the debates.

HIM: Bush is gonna mop the floor with Kerry. Bush is far more intelligent than Kerry will ever be.

ME: Fuck off & don't talk to me til after November when Kerry wins. I mean it.

This morning I said hello & he ignored me. We have arguments like this ALL THE TIME & the next day we forget about them & talk about movies or what we rented last night or some new video game. DId I go to far? Should I....not appologize, but do something to smooth things over?

The weird things between us is this. We are both passioante about politics & have a lot in common & I think we both want the other to see our view, but not to prove we're right but because we respect each other alot. I think he really is upset because I don't like Bush. He wants me to be part of his world in that respect. Its hard to explain. Any advice would be appreciated.

"Bush is gonna mop the floor with Kerry. Bush is far more intelligent than Kerry will ever be."

It's working, it's working!

station repuke DJ use that.

Of course, when I informed her of it, it finally set her off on me.

Here's the sitch.

She's anti-Bush, but finds a bunch of the stuff the DJ does funny. I, being more involved in finding things out and reading the paper & Congressional Record & other sources, know more of the background.

So, I have been complaining about the DJ's over-the-top backing of GWB and bashing everything about JFKerry. I have also informed her of the trials and tribulations of Howard Stern's fight against Clear Channel.

So she sets her jaw and tells me: "Well, he (the repuke) is just like Howard Stern . . ."

Me: "This is nothing like Howard Stern . . ."

Her: "Will you wait and listen to me? He is just doing this for ratings . . ."

Me: "Okay, I'll give you that. But you can't say that he's doing the stuff just because Howard has been doing it. This guy has been saying this shit since before the Dixie Chicks thing . . ."

Her: "I don't care about the politics, I'm talking about the ratings. He (the repuke) is doing it just to get people to talk!"

(more or less to that effect; may not be verbatim).

So, after this heated exchange, we still were able to be friendly to each other before heading off to our respective workplaces . . .

is so far up Bush's tush, you wouldn't be able to reason with him.

we know that will never happen. I don't think he even wipes his own ass.

I REPEAT...DO NOT APOLOGIZE! You were RIGHT! HE should apologize for saying you twisted things because you were so desperate. You didn't twist anything.

I would never have anything to do with the guy ever again. Republicans suck. They stand for everything Democrats don't. Find a new friend. That's my advice. :hi:

if taken literally, can have the intended effect :) .

Seriously, give it another day or two and then just say "sorry," and see what happens. Sounds like he really is a good guy by Freeper standards. It also sounds like he has imbibed deeply of the proverbial Kool-aid.

I will not speak to him unless spoken to, or have a work-related question. Of course, the one I deal with has the IQ of a pet rock. He's a big one for making excuses for stupidity with, "..., but he's got a good heart."

It was a slip of the tongue on my part & thats the only reason I fell kind of bad. Its scary how much the two of us agree on things. Movies, video games, other people we work with,etc.This seems to be the ONLY thing we don't agree on. Anyway, thanks for the tips!

'the road to hell is paved with good intentions and good hearts, too.' That's a language they seem to understand.

Not to a repug. Not this day and age. Don't be sorry for standing with your convictions.

You just got through explaining to him how Repubs always make these accusations and refuse to apologize - now you should apologize for telling the truth?

"Deal with it."

"Bush is going to mop the floor with Kerry."

Oh, yes, reasoned and intelligent arguments just like they always have. They can't answer with anything that debates the issue at hand (like you did) - they just fling insults.

No, I wouldn't apologize. The next time I saw the fucker, I'd tell him off again!

I'm sick of Dems having to apologize for being right and so should you!

on edit: if he has a problem with what you said, perhaps you should tell HIM to "deal with it."

You were wise. So many asshole sheep, Good Germans, and willing Sturmtruppen here.

Notice the stock Nazi-style "Jewish Propaganda" dismissal when you tagged him with something he couldn't answer.

ME: (getting pissed) Well let me ask you this. Drudge said back in early 2001 that Al Gore was taking a job as a short order cook in a Diner he & Tipper were going to buy. That turned out to be wrong & Drudge didn't appologize. This past spring The Washington Post, NY Times & The NY Post, along with Drudge claimed Kerry had an affair with an intern. Did any of them take the responsibilty & appoligize? No! Bush said Iraq had WMD, did he appologize?No! Ho come its okay for Repulicans to wrong but not Democrats? IF a Republican is lies & gets caught they'mis-spoke' if a Democrat makes a mistake, an honest mistake I might add, they are the most vile disgusting creatures on the earth.

HIM: Your twisting things because your so desperate, your not gonna win this argument just like Kerry isn't gonna win the election. Deal with it.

That is the argument of a Totalitarian Unquestioning Bootlicker. Stop wasting your time with him. He is right, you could no more convince him of your position, no matter how well your facts are lined up and your rhetoric bolstered.

You have the EXACT same chance of "winning an argument" with someone with the Totalitarian Mindset (auto-programmed to dismiss without question Non-Party-Approved-Facts) as you do of converting a Russian Communist, circa 1952, of the virtues of capitalism.

It is a sign and a symptom of the times, as well as a 30-year multi-pronged Bushevik Attack Plan to subjugate the American Mind, and is as common as the numbers of people who watch or listen to Goebbels v2.0, which is all of us for it is pervasive in our society as Goebbels v1.o was in Nazi Germany.

Imperial Amerika is hardening into a land of propagandized automatons. Hell, it is even catching to we Free Americans as we rise to battle Bushevik Totalitarian Tyranny, we must beware not to become the unquestioningly obedient Imperial mind-slaves we strive against.

My advice to you: First, DO NOT initiate conversation with that creature. Nazis, Soviets, and ALL Totalitarians Left and Right, view such things as a sign of weakness, nothing more.

He will NOT respect your ability to compromise or you desire to heal the rift. Indeed, he likely will not be able to even compute it without his Goebbels v2.0 filter which will cause him to unquestioningly fall into the patterns to which he has been trained.

You should honor your word. He is a waste of time. Fuck him.

And show no "weakness" because even if it isn't that, that will be how the Totalitarian perceives it.

And they have to keep telling their audience every 3 minutes they are fair and balanced.

> This really needs to get out. Don't you all find
> some irony in this?
> I know I do.
>
> Dan Rather, CBS News Anchor
>
> 1) given documents he thought were true (or so he
> says)
> 2) failed to thoroughly investigate the facts
> 3) reported documents to the American people as
> true to make his case
> 4) when challenged, launched an investigation,
> quickly apologized
> 5) substance of the bogus documents appears to have
> been true anyway
> 6) cost to the world in lives and money: ZERO
> 7) Bush camp conclusion: should be fired as CBS
> News Anchor
>
>
> George W. Bush, President of the United States
>
> 1) given documents he thought were true
> 2) failed to thoroughly investigate the facts
> 3) reported documents to the American people as
> true to make his case
> 4) when challenged, stonewalled an investigation,
> never apologized
> 5) substance of the bogus documents appears to have
> been . . . bogus
> 6) cost to the world in lives and money:
> INCALCULABLE
> 7) Bush camp conclusion: four more years!


This comes from someone whose father was career military, as his her husband and son.

Hope it helps.

Print it out and just give it to him, with a short message from you.
Something like "hope we can still be friends".

you might be have to eliminate him. Only make friends with liberals.

That attitude is anti everything I value.

They blew it. They apologized for it, and its time to move. No, no one should be fired. But they are not the victims, they are the perpetrators of grossly sloppy journalism.

Wow--I'm glad to see you are so passionate about your views--too bad he is too!

Remember, when dealing with freepers, they are like children--they want to please you in little ways but don't always get the big picture.

By setting him off, you pretty much sealed the deal that he will vote for Bush.

When talking to freepers you have 3 options: ignore and continue the friendship; court them to our side with sweet talk and gossip; fight them to the bitter end.

Only one road is gonna get more votes for Kerry in November and the last one ain't it.

On the topic of CBS--pointing back to other news agencies is good.

My arguement with CBS is not that other news agencies have lied--I try the tact "So you think anyone who has the public trust and who uses forged information to speak about another figure in the public eye should resign?"

If the answer is YES (always) then the response is "I agree, when will Bush resign? He use false docoumentation to say Iraq had WMD."

Of course they like to say "Well he got that from the CIA and Tenet resigned" then my response is "Rather got his information from his staff but you are asking him to resign. How is it different? It sounds like neither 'reporter' verified his source."

If the buck stops at Rather, then the buck also stops at Bush. When Rather lied, no soldiers died.

He is too far gone, in my opinion, but I honestly don't know what he's really like. I had a "friend" like this, who'd say the most outrageous lies (all gleaned from his three hour Rush indroctination every day) JUST to piss me off.
Maybe apologizing for the swearing, but NEVER, NEVER apologize for being right. And NEVER concede a point to them. You have FACTS on your side. (James Carville's newest book says this better than I ever could)

and he really is the enemy. you need to realize that and accept it. all freepers are the enemy at this point.

He might be a "nice guy", but he is delusional if he believe that. Oh and what a uniter bush is :eyes: Your story is just one example that bush* anything but a "uniter".

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH!!!!
:+

The sooner you see this moldy chicken bone in the rear-view of your life, the better.

He's not just wilfully blind and ignorant, he has the gall to get all puffy and hurt when you point out that his blustering bullshit doesn't qualify as an argument.

I'm sure he was in full cry against Clinton for eight years and then some, but since he is armored by the bulletproof belief that the Divine Vaporous Cloud Man has selected the Texas Poltroon, he will hear no criticism of his Boy George.

Fuck him - waste of air, waste of space, waste of DNA.

but tell him straight out that you're not apologizing for supporting Kerry. Tell him that you value his friendship.

then dont' apologize.

If they don't, then perhaps, for the sake of the work environment, apologize for saying the 'eff off...' but don't apologize for laying truth at his feet.

Just print out articles and references for what you're talking about because I can assure you, he can't do the same, unless he puts his faith and trust in forgery and lies. His whole mindset is a house of cards built on sand. Just because the lying tv preacher says it's true does not make it true.