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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 05:08 PM
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CNN reporting "major policy shift"
The Smirking Administration will consider allowing UN troops to assist in Iraq. "Can the administration pull off the delicate diplomacy necessary to accomplish this?" Oh, Rummy will only ALLOW international troops as long as the US is in command -- no "blue helmet" operations.

So, I didn't know everybody else was clamoring to get their troops in there.

Delicate diplomacy? Bush? Two concepts you will NEVER find in the same sentence!

Bake
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Plaid Adder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 05:10 PM
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1. Who's laughin' NOW, assholes?
Actually, nobody...because nobody but Rumsfeld and cartel is ghoulish enough to take pleasure in the suffering they've caused. But still. "Hey, uh, U.N.? Remember when we said we were gonna take our ball and go home? You can have the ball back if you help us fish it out of the sewer!"

Bastards,

The Plaid Adder
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 10:22 PM
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48. UN? That "irrelevent" organization?
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Clete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 05:11 PM
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2. I saw that and nearly choked on my sandwich.
Bush is going to have to put his tail between his legs and go crawling to the UN to bail him out of this mess. If he can't see that this is his only option then we Americans are toast. He no doubt has an exit plan. Most weasels do.
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CMT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 05:12 PM
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3. the regime is now admitting that
they are politically dead unless they can dig away out of Iraq.
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 08:27 PM
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42. Right
But what if they do? This has been a concern of mine for some time; one about which I have mixed feelings.

What if Bush "sees the light," allows true multi-national administration of Iraq, and begins a troop withdrawal as a real democracy develops in Iraq under UN guidence? What does he lose? A great deal of our critisism.

On the one hand, it would be a good thing, becuase it's a more sane approach to Iraq, but on the other hand, it will mute a lot of critisism of Bush, refute the notion that he's no good at diplomacy and probably increase his popularity. That's the dilema, if he does the right thing, he makes it harder for a dem to beat him.
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never cry wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 08:32 PM
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43. But then he will have to admit it all was a big boo-boo
That they were wrongin their post war assessments and oh, by the way georgie, those WMDs too. I believe he is in the proverbial trick bag, stay the PNAC course and watch it all go to hell or admit to some mistakes (he'll only admit to some, mind you) and lose credibility with the voters.

anyway, i hope so.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 10:25 PM
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49. A real democracy develop in Iraq? Nice. How?
There's one huge group dominated by a small group and a tiny group nobody likes. Relatively speaking.

How do you get a democracy from that?
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Ellen Forradalom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 10:42 PM
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53. Strictly hypothetical
I have seen no evidence that Bush is capable of doing the right thing.
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ThorsteinVeblen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 05:13 PM
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4. Fire Donald Rumsfeld
The guy is an incompetant, ignorant, arrogant, iditoic, naive fuck who should be publically stripped, dropped into downtown Baghdad and made to run the gauntlet between the survivors of the families he murdered.



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Plaid Adder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 05:16 PM
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5. Yes, my new favorite sign slogan:
Send Bush To Iraq
Bring the Troops Home

C ya,

The Plaid Adder
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 05:47 PM
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13. You have some damned good ideas!
The gauntlet of draftees would be nice too!
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Stevendsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 05:59 PM
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16. I love that idea!
I have been saying that Dick Cheney should be dropped naked by helicopter into a Baghdad Islamo-riot. I'd love to see Rummy run the gauntlet!
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chookie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 09:57 PM
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44. Will I be able to get that on Pay Per View?
Now, that's a show I would LOVE to see. Maybe to celebrate the inauguration of President Dean (Kerry, Kuchinich, Graham, Sharpton, Edwards, Gephardt, Mosely-Brown) there can be daily spectacles a la Gladiator when the Bush Crime Family culprits are all made to run naked through the streets of Bagdad to meet their dooms at the hands of Iraqis they have victimized.

I'd pay ANYTHING Showtime asked for to see it.
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Ernesto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 05:20 PM
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6. You must be mistaken
The commander in chief said that the UN is "irrelevant"
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 05:23 PM
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8. Mistaken, indeed!
This is merely the next step in a long-planned program. No "policy shift," no "change in direction," and certainly no "delicate diplomacy," which as we all know is for effete, stripey-pants State Department types!

The corrupt Bush administration: Never apologize, never explain, never admit to error!
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sugargoose Donating Member (270 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 06:27 PM
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28. Oh, but he doesn't need to explain things
he's the commander in chief.


Don't you remember when he taught that?
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 07:45 PM
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41. Yeah, and wasn't "Poppy" Ambassador to the UN?
Before I got booted from Freeperville, I reminded them of this. <they didn't like it>
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 10:12 PM
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46. "A debating society" the "League of Nations"
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 05:22 PM
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7. Bush has as much right to be Commander in Chief...
...as the illegitimate offspring of a whore and a trained pony.

(to paraphrase Gen. Washington's alleged evaluation of Gen. Gates after the Battle of Camden).
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sistersofmercy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 05:23 PM
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9. Bush a very weak man...
Read an article which was an interview of embassador to Greece who resigned prior to the war, he said georgie boy was a very weak man led into this war by Daffy Dumsfeld. Personnaly I regard georgie to be a complete knitwit puppet. Totally loathe the smirking, squinting daffy dumsfeld should be forced to resign after all he's sec of defense, cha-ching cheney also. Ha just a short trip to the rest after that. Tumble the blocks in the logical order.
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Stevendsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 06:02 PM
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17. Cha-Ching Cheney ?!!
Oh, I looove that. That's a keeper!

Daffy Dumsfeld is good too!
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sistersofmercy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 06:22 PM
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26. Thanks my pet names for the two evil ones! I think it's suitable.
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 06:31 PM
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30. I was always partial to the "Asses Of Evil"
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sistersofmercy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 06:56 PM
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38. Very good indeed but we must label then individually! Oh b/c they
so deseerve it.
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never cry wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 06:58 PM
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39. Anyone have a good name for wolfowicz? n/t
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sistersofmercy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 07:18 PM
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40. Sorry haven't thought of one. how about sheepo'witless!?
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never cry wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 10:13 PM
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47. I like half of yours, Wolfowitless works for me. n/t
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 10:07 PM
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45. How 'bout Cry Wolfowitz?
n/t
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 05:24 PM
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10. The repugs see the dark clouds forming over 2 Nov 04.
The new pitch:

The prince of monsters, Richard Perle, from France (!) sez: It started really great. Now its not so good, and we should get out as fast as possible.

O'Really today was jibbering the same line about: Now we need international forces policing security so we can go "hunt" terrists.

What disarray! For a month, their talking point was "Put an Iraqi face on it". (pretty blatant unintentional frankness about facade)

Now they've got to remember to say "Put an international face on it".

Fools. Since each clique of the cabal had seperate rationales and goals for this atrocity, they are now fighting over the choir book for the hymn that tastes "just right".

Burn in hell.
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barbaraann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 05:35 PM
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11. The BFEE is in a contract-writing frenzy.
They are writing contracts for reconstruction between Iraq and Halliburton, Bechtel, etc. that will suck every available penny out of that country for many years. That's ALL Paul Bremer is doing. As soon as they have written every contract they can write they will find a way to walk away and let someone else clean up the mess.

The contracts we are starting to hear about are obscene and outrageous but nothing will stop the BFEE. Only the last signature on the last contract will stop them. I would guess that will take another couple of weeks but that is a total guess because we are not getting truthful reporting on the situation.

I think what is happening in Iraq will set a record for bankrupting a country but they will probably break that record when they start on another country because they will have developed a model that works well. I wonder if there is any way to undo these contracts.

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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 05:43 PM
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12. Sure, there's a way to undo the contracts
Edited on Thu Aug-28-03 05:43 PM by htuttle
They were written on extremely precarious legal ground. In fact, I'd say they are only operative while the US is actually occupying Iraq.

Once a legitimate government gets into power (one way or another, by rifle or by pen), these contracts will be about as valuable as toilet paper.
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sistersofmercy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 05:52 PM
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14. But there is every interest in them for not doing so... Hence no sharing
of power. Sophiticated criminals daffy dumsfeld, cha-ching cheney et al. I say instead impeach bush ask for immediate resignation of daffy, he's sec fo defense, advises pres, it's the logical order the american public will buy.
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barbaraann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 05:59 PM
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15. I really hope you are right.
Edited on Thu Aug-28-03 06:00 PM by barbaraann
But the BFEE excels at winning through legalisism (as opposed to legality).
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 06:17 PM
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24. Well, what legal entity in Iraq signed the contract?
Chalabi's people haven't been recognized or seated by the UN (though they were 'welcomed' the other day...whatever that means -- I think the UN was trying to be polite).

I read a few months back (in LBN) that this has been a sticking point with several oil companies that haven't wanted to sign anything that was going to be worthless once Bush turns tail and runs (it seems that it's BushCo related companies signing most of the no-bid contracts).

After WWII, the lopsided contracts that the Vichy government of France signed with Nazi German firms were all invalidated (review the Nuremburg transcripts about this), so there's precedent.

However, the UN did state that the US was responsible under 'Occupation Law' for certain things (stuff like water, power, establishing order, etc...). I'm not at all sure whether there is or isn't something about the validity of legal contracts covered in 'Occupation Law'.
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barbaraann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 06:23 PM
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27. That's a good question.
The stories I have seen don't go into detail. And, come to think of it, it seems like they are getting as much money UP FRONT as they can and barely trying to do the actual work that is being contracted for.

I think what Perle said yesterday was a sign that they are almost done with the contract writing.

This is just so awful. Sometimes even the CNBC anchors seemed stunned by the audacity of what the Bush administration is doing.
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StandWatie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 06:09 PM
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20. The money won't come from Iraq..
it will come from the looted treasury and eventually Social Security will be disolved and handed to Haliburton and Bechtel.
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barbaraann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 06:16 PM
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23. I think from both sources.
I was stunned to hear that ALL of the cash that they found in Iraq has been spent by Bremer. ALL OF IT. He is handling out money to BFEE cronies like it is plastis tokens in a Mardi Gras parade.
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 06:44 PM
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32. The current burn rate, that we sorta know about
is about $7 million per hour, 24/7, just DoD. Make it AT LEAST $14 million per hour, 24/7 with reconstruction. ("almost impossible to exaggerate" - Bremer) How can we even hand it out that fast?


24/7

Their universe is so evil, its not even real.


It would take more troops than we have there now, just to hand this money to individual Iraqis, and let them do what they want with their country.
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barbaraann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 06:50 PM
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36. How mindboggling.
I think some of the financial market types on CNBC are actually going into some partially-conscious mental state. It's even too much for them to deal with.
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 06:45 PM
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33. Hey, our troops in Iraq happen to think that
toilet paper is a pretty valuable commodity.
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 06:47 PM
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35. Ain't that the truth! LOL.
n/t
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barbaraann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 06:53 PM
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37. I wonder what BFEE corporation has the toilet paper contract.
Their motto is not "leave no child behind," it is "leave no money behind."
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Stevendsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 06:06 PM
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19. Jesus!
That is an infuriating--and very likely true--scenario! The race to put lucrative contracts in place before calling in the blue helmets to bear the human cost. Arrggggghhh!
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barbaraann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 06:12 PM
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21. It is indeed infuriating, and sickening.
I wonder if SCI will get some juicy mortuary/funeral contracts to deal with all of the dead Iraqis and "coalition" soldiers.

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sistersofmercy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 06:32 PM
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31. It's looting no matter how you look at it, iraq or america?
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 10:36 PM
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51. Yes. The contracts were not signed by a legitimate government.
I will be horribly disappointed if they don't make Halliburton and Bechtel bleed for every dime.
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 06:04 PM
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18. ok,ok, ok.... we'll let you play BUT:

we get to pitch and you play right field.

and, we're TOTALLY keeping the ball.

wash my jockstraps and see you in the morning
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 06:15 PM
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22. Come, come now! Rush said that India was preparing to
put 15K troops on the line for the good of the USA.

(Psst. Forget what you heard about any money Bush paid them. And the fact that they have nuke capability) (don't they?) (and more and more technical jobs that our technologically backward people can't "adapt" to).
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 06:18 PM
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25. Bush is Paying $26,000 To Poland For Each Polish Soldier in Iraq
Bush in 2000: "I understand that it's YOUR money."

Boy, did he ever understand that. The Bush family perfected the concept of OPM (Other People's Money).
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never cry wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 06:46 PM
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34. GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
Edited on Thu Aug-28-03 06:53 PM by steviet_2003
Paying 26K for each polish soldier, and more to come, to protect haliburton so thay can rob our treasury!!!!!!!!

:grr::mad::nuke::grr::mad::nuke::grr::mad::nuke::grr::mad::nuke::grr:

hey, i thought i read a few days ago about some committee that the UN was trying to set up to oversee how iraqi money was spent but that the US was stonewalling, saying it was taking more time to set up than anticipated. anyone hear of that?? i'll go look in the tribune archives, it was this week.

here's the link: http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-0308260185aug26,1,4879266.story

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WASHINGTON -- A key U.S. Treasury official said Monday that the board to monitor the use of the money in a development fund for Iraq has not been set up yet because there is no agreement over the rules for using the funds.

In an interview with Reuters, Treasury Undersecretary for International Affairs John Taylor said he believes it is acceptable for the money, currently in an account at the New York Federal Reserve, to be used even though the board has not been set up.

Revenues from oil sales, seized assets and from other sources are in the account, which is designed to be used for rebuilding the country.

However, countries with frozen assets are reluctant to release them until the international board is formed, diplomats said.
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Virginian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 10:41 PM
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52. I think some of the expense of this war
should come out of Dubya's allowance.

He broke all those buildings in Iraq, he should pay to fix them. If he had been made accountable for his actions when he was a kid, he wouldn't be destroying things now. I chalk it up to bad parenting.
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StandWatie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 06:28 PM
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29. oh, Christ I hope not..
of all the countries on the Globe, why send troops whose main opperating procedure revolves around beating down Muslim seperatists?
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 10:26 PM
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50. Bush is OVER
Nobody likes him anymore.
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Virginian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 10:43 PM
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54. The majority of us didn't like him before.
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