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Used and Abused Donating Member (401 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 11:04 PM
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Charlie Gibson should have stood his ground when Bush spoke out of turn!
There is no telling what Bush would have done had Charlie Gibson enforced the rules. Charlie gave Bush a free pass and I really don't appreciate that.
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disgruntled_goat Donating Member (637 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 11:15 PM
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1. i hear ya
im pissed about it. wotta tool.
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Fla Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 08:39 AM
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18. Keep this kicked......this is important. Show how he handles disagreement
with his advisers and the military. These were their rules and when it didn't suit him he rode over the rules, ignoring Charlie Gibson. So when he gets opposing viewpoints from his administration and generals, he ignores them too. That's why when he says I asked my generals whether or not they needed more troops they says no, that is so disingenuous. They know he doesn't want to hear that they need more troops, so they just say no.
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chookie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 12:24 PM
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25. Bush in action
Hmm, let's see:

During a debate, he cannot control himself and breaks protocol to make a point that easily could have been accommodated within the rules.

When America was attacked, he just sat there, inert.

Gee, shouldn't it be the other way around?
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GinaMaria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 11:19 PM
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2. It made * look bad
he did it twice in the first half of the debate. The second time was extremely rude and he clearly showed himself as someone who would not listen. Charlie was giving him more time to talk but wanted clarification on part of the issue. * was inappropriate, came across pig headed and unwilling or unable to listen. Made me wonder if people have tried to get through to him before on things and he just refused to let them speak.
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 11:20 PM
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3. The audience members were laughing at Bush....
you know, kind of a nervous grin, like "WFT?!!"
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GinaMaria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 11:22 PM
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4. He looked obnoxious n/t
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loyalsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 04:14 AM
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11. Charlie let them keep laughing
Edited on Sat Oct-09-04 04:14 AM by loyalsister
He let the emperor stand there naked for awhile. Gave the audience and viewers an opportunity to have a prolonged view of just how scary he is.
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TexasSissy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 05:56 PM
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33. Tweety and his male panelists all loved it. A macho thing.
Go figure.

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booley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 11:30 PM
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5. I'm not so sure
becuase shrub looked like a bullying ass

and Kerry's response was priceless.."Mr. president, countries aren't joining the coalition. They are LEAVING it."
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SalParadise Donating Member (244 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 11:30 PM
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6. Credit where credit is due
Gibson did a swell job - the gimp looked like an idiot when he bullied him on this - the gimp didn't get a "free pass".
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drbtg1 Donating Member (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 11:46 PM
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7. Kerry should have called him on it
A possible reply-

"Charlie Gibson is not the enemy here, but the president still showed an incredible amount of disrespect to him. If this is how he treats a debate moderator on national television, I shuttter to think how he treats people behind closed doors,, people we should have on our side."
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Cat Atomic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 02:28 AM
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10. That would've been perfect.
Buchanan said that little exchange would play well with men or something, but I'm sorry- that didn't make Bush look tough. It made him look like a grade schooler throwing a temper tantrum.
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Kinkistyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 04:25 AM
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12. Men - my ass.
The funny thing with all of Bush's macho posturing and denigrating Kerry as some sort of foppish euro-trash, Kerry could kick Shrub's head through a wall if he wanted to. The guy risked his life and took hot burning metal to his body to save his fellow men, I am sure a too-bit punk whom Kerry postively towers over would be ridiculously trivial to pound into mush.
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Dark Jedi Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 12:35 AM
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8. Mucho Macho?
Oh no doubt there are some rednecks out there who thought Bush was macho for being a boor tonight. A real man. Yeah. TX cowboy and all that bleep. Spinners. They will make up all sorts of defenses for their cult idol.
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pen dragon Donating Member (287 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 02:17 AM
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9. TX Cowboy
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freeplessinseattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 05:12 AM
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13. the same "men" who think beating their wives and children
is their right. I know the way these people think (to take a line direct from the asses mouth).
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Used and Abused Donating Member (401 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 09:31 AM
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21. LMAO! nt
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 07:38 AM
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14. That moment really told quite a story, I think.
Edited on Sat Oct-09-04 07:43 AM by MGKrebs
Bush* showed frustration and impatience, disregard for rules or order, lack of respect, and a sense of imperial superiority. All the things WE have talked about for years, and the 'Merican People now got to see it up close and personal.

edit to say this as plainly as possible: That moment looked like a microcosm of the way Bush* runs the country. Rules be damned, respect be damned, patience be damned, he's going to do what he wants to do, RIGHT NOW. Spoiled brat.

This guy is supposed to be president of the US? Leader of the free world? I am embarrased our country produced him, and proud to oppose him.
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 09:39 AM
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24. Yes, it was a defining moment - America got to see the Emperor naked
Or, as someone once said, "the actions speak louder than the words."
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Justice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 08:29 AM
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15. Bush looked bad, he wanted the strict rules, yet he was the one to
break them.

It also looked bad b/c he did it to Gibson and he interrupted Gibson talking - Gibson was not trying to shut Bush off, just frame a question. So Bush looked bad for breaking the rules, for interrupting the moderator and for not listening.
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GinaMaria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 08:35 AM
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16. * made it clear last night
how he uses his auth-or-it-ah. What could Gibson do. * was basically saying 'I'm the president. I'm the one with the power. I don't have to listen to you or respect you. I'll do it my way. Shut up..."

In reality, what could Gibson do? Can he really enforce the rules on the president? It's a misuse of power on *'s part as is a lot of what he's done in the last 4 years.

Show don't tell is the most effective way to send a message. We saw who he is because he showed us. What he tells us is something different. We saw the behavior. His words mean nothing. Behavior is the truth about an individual. Any idea how many people watched the debate last night?
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 04:57 PM
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31. The rules apply to others not to him. n/t
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wurzel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 08:37 AM
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17. Gwen Ifel was tougher than Charlie Gibson.
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 08:40 AM
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19. She didn't have to deal with
a sugar-bombed delinquent.
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Stryguy Donating Member (163 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 01:44 PM
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29. Although she
had only one real job.. Saying who's turn it was to talk next.

And she couldn't do it.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 09:20 AM
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20. Rules don't apply to Bush*, and the media whores
reinforce that. How are we to continue as the world's "police" :eyes: when or leader has absolutely no respect for the law himself?
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unfrigginreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 09:36 AM
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22. Gibson was there to make Kerry look bad not Bush
That's why Kerry's 'wishy-washy' question was the first in the debate, meant to throw Kerry off stride, and Bush's 'list your mistakes' question was the last of the debate, to appear fair and balanced. Both character questions should have been first or last.
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Used and Abused Donating Member (401 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 09:38 AM
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23. that's an excellent point
I didn't even think about that, but you're absolutely right. Kerry started off the debate having to defend himself, giving Bush a true head start.
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 12:34 PM
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26. I don't see it that way.
I suspect Kerry is pleased to be able to address that question first, right up front. He needs to address it and he's got a good response for it.

And Bush* failed to answer that 'mistakes' question before, so asking it again might be seen as an attempt to give him a chance to rehabilitate, but Bush* screwed it up AGAIN. He essentially accused the questioner of asking a trick question (implying dishonesty?).
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 12:53 PM
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27. If only Bush had dropped his ball bearings.....woulda sealed the deal
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KayLaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 01:00 PM
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28. He should have done his job
I'm a woman and like to think I would have stood up to Bush. Then again, I've never been charged by an enraged monkey.
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 02:26 PM
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30. LOL! Should the next moderator be an experienced zoo keeper?
Is it too late to change moderators?
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Jack Schitt Donating Member (535 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 05:05 PM
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32. I didn't appreciate that either.
Gibson was a horrible moderator.
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