Exactly WHAT would it take to dislodge some of Bush's core supporters?

With each revelation of the past year or so, I have thought to myself that Bush's numbers would plummet...not dip, but go through the basement.
We all know the idiocy which he has imposed on the country and the rest of the world.
Yet you still hear of or run into people that think he's just great....yeah, they hand-pick his crowds, but I am astonished that they can find enough rabid supporters to crowd say, the Xcel in St. Paul.
If it came out that he was still snorting cocaine off of the Oval Office desk, would it matter to them? If he went to Gitmo and personally executed an illegal combatant with a pistol? If it came out that he knowlingly ordered a daycare center in Falujah napalmed? If he raped a child at the Lincoln Monument?

What, oh what, would it take to wake some of these people up?
Just wondering....

might dislodge a few, but not many.

I don't think he really did find God and quit drinking. He doesn't go to church. Telling people he changed serves two purposes, it excuses his earlier behavior and taps into the church going as well as the fundamentalists.

I don't think it would sway the fundies, but the other church goers might think twice if they knew that Bush, the born again is not even a church goer, and Kerry is.

Bush reads the Bible just to pick and choose the parts he wants to follow. He doesn't go to bible study or attend services of any organized religion. Isn't that what the anti-christ would do -- Use the Bible against God's faithful?

nothing could be done to change the minds of the supporters. They dont support him as much as the party. They (I think) would cheer him on while he stood on the whitehouse lawn and ripped up the constitution if he did a few things.
support big buisness and big oil, and support right wing fudamentalist theocracy.

We are getting screwed and his friends are stealing our money, but that's OK, he's tough on terra.

I've always considered dubya's supporters to be much like the layers of an onion with the weakest supporters on the outside and the strongest at the core. (nevermind the obvious image of the circles of hell...we won't go there for now)

On the outside are the more apathetic and uninformed who when presented with the truth peel off.

But in the core are the true believers. Those who actually believe that Bush* is chosen by god and would no sooner desert him than they would desert their cherished religous beliefs. They are the hopless ones.

But what about the other layers? Who are they and how can they be peeled off?

I think that's a useful discussion.

Abu Graihb peeled away the outer-most layer

1,000+ dead U.S. soldiers and no exit strategy peeled away true conservatives (George Will being among the more notable, along with Dick Lugar and Chuck Hagel)

Only Great Depression levels of unemploymnet (>25% adult unemployed) will peel away the remaining layers of "true believers", i.e., the hyper rich and fundie kooks

World War II (if you haven't noticed, we are playing the German role this time around)

Similar pressure to the collapse of Communism...pity the poor bastards because that will likely take a minimum of 50 years of horror)

American Revolution (free America will have to FIGHT these medeval religious fanatics and Free-Market Stalinists)

Imperial Roman Model (Amerikans keep doing what they/we are doing, licking boot and keeping our mouths shut even when Caligula makes his horse a Senator)

Don't wait for Bushevik Types (Nazi, KKK, Soviet) to start embracing Jews, Blacks, or Capitalists on their own.

They are already programmed to kill, many of them. All they require is a word from their Masters.

I said months ago that they won't let his numbers get under 40%, not because he actually has that many supporters, but because the media liars have to keep it close in order to steal it.

I know atleast 20 former Bush supporters and everyone that I know that voted for Nader or Gore is voting Kerry this time. "It is close" is a lie and they know it.

Most Bush supporters are not as smart as you think. Probably 75% of his votes will come because they think

1. Kerry is a liberal who is gonnna come and take my guns away

2. If Kerry gets elected everyone will turn gay and get married to each other.

3. I don't beleive in abortion and I think Bush doesn't either.

I'm sorry- most Repubs I know are just plain stupid when it comes to issues. They pick 1 out of the 10 or 15 major issues facing this country, and vote Republican because that's the way their mommy or daddy always did. To hell with knowledge about real issues!! Bush could come to their house, rape the wife, beat the kids, and they would still vote for him because of one of the above items.

is what we need. Something that will really demoralize his base.

To tell you the truth, I am friends with several statisticians who I think very highly of--and they are convinced that if the DUI story had not broke in 2000 right before the election, Bush would have won easily. The DUI changed things--it turned people off from Bush at the last minute. Many just stayed home. It was extremely effective and brought the election to a dead heat. What we need is another good scandal that demoralizes the tub thumping Christians so that they do not feel enthusiastic about supporting Bush. Unless we can come up with something new--(which would be the best!), I like the cocaine at Camp David story and I like the Laura selling dime bags story. We should hammer on these until election day.

to drive away his core. These people have abandoned all rational thought and invested their emotional well-being in the repukes. To abandon him would be to question the very essence of their being and realize that they have been completely fooled. They could not handle that.

It is an extreme form of cognitive dissonance. They view reality and facts in a way to reinforce what they already believe (sound like any pretend-POTUS?).

Whether they were already lost causes, or the brainwashing they have absorbed from four years of media-spewed propaganda has brought them to this level of delusion does not really matter. They are there now and will never entertain any thought that contradicts what they have been trained to believe.

So, the only way to "dislodge" them is to remove them from the equation.

You'd have to open them up and jam some guts into them. They're all a-scared of the terrorists. That's ALL Bush has to peddle.

Should peel off about 20%.

what may be coming: depression and world war.

While they're able to trade that SUV in every three years and get a bigger house every 5 years, life is good. They have no reason to listen to the bad news.

My wife has been canvassing for MoveOn and it's galling how many Bush supporters include "Jesus Christ" in their responses. They do not see the same man that half of American voters and most of the rest of the world see. On occasion * has accidentally shown his real soul. His religiosity is a sick joke.

Being caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy. Other than that, I think most of his hard core supporters would blind themselves to anything else.

:D

I mean goodness graciousness, you'd think we were all athiest just because we are tolerant of all relgious or non religious affliations.

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But the core supporters would actually have to see them. And Bush would have to be doing something nasty to a goat while he's up there.

and make them understand that we are Americans first party lines should not divide us also make them understand that Bush is trying to divide and destroy America and we should take a stand to it by voting him out in November obviously Kerry is going to have the republicans down his neck so he's not going to have any room to "screw things up" like Bush has done for the past 4 years so a vote for Kerry is a win/win situation for the American people.

SO & I were actually talking about this last night, in reference to one of his bush fanatic co-workers.
The jack boots could be at the door, ordering the removal of women & children, sending the men to camps and I swear there would still be some saying "this is the right thing to do, I support the president, a good offense is the best defense in the war on terror, ..."

Even my grandpa at that point would either not vote or vote for Kerry.

as we speak. I think he lost alot of support with his medical bill. I know he lost support with his amnesty plan. The occupation, the bad job market... they wake different people up.

But there are hardcore Bush supporters who would never give up on him. Bush could set up concentration camps and gas large sections of the populace and they'd stick with him.

There's a type of person that just adores authoritarians. The more they abuse their power, the better. You can never get those people, nor should you want to.

almost half this nation's fishing industry and a big chunk of its media.

Is that what they signed onto?

Do THEY believe that the Saudis should continue to have their part in the terror organizations covered up by the Bush family?

Why is it OK with them that the Bush's have accomodated the RevMoon, Rupert Murdoch and the Saudis and their control over so much of our media?

political move of the century! If he took a bat to Eartha Kitt it'd be his "Sister Souljah Moment" and loyalists would swoon in ecstasy!