The first FACE of the order defying platoon in Iraq 'Murka will see

Lou Dobbs reported yesterday afternoon that "at first it was 20 soldiers now it is being reported that it was 5". I told my wife that it was a reserve unit from Mississippi "you know how them liberal radicals are in Mississippi" I said jokingly. She said "Five? Gee I wonder if they will lay this on the black soldiers first? ;-) "

THEN today


I saw this picture on Yahoo news photos and at first thought it was a mugshot....Sgt.McCook is a DEPUTY at a jail but that is not the impression that this gives you at first nor do I think that is any accident. I think we can all see where this is going.



Army Reserve Sgt. Larry O. McCook, of Jackson, Miss., shown in this 2004 handout photograph taken at the Hinds County Detention Center in Raymond, Miss., where he is a deputy, is one of several soldiers said to be part of a reservist supply unit in Iraq (news - web sites) that refused to go on a convoy mission. According to his wife, Patricia McCook, her husband and other reservists refused to go on a 'suicide mission' to deliver fuel, to Taji, Iraq, north of Baghdad, because they considered their vehicles unsafe. (AP Photo/Hinds County Sheriff's Office, File)

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/iraq_unit_investigation

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2498461
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A white man would just be sent home. After all this mans family votes in the wrong party in his home state. It seems white Southern fundamentalist love to send other people in to harms way for their beliefs. Funny how Middle East fundamentalists send them selfs into harms way. Does that mean anything? I guess bloggers are also having a hard tome in Iraq if you say a thing about not loving the war. What will happen to the Brits? Any one taking bets that they will go under Am. officers?

Like I said in the original post my wife and I could smell this coming from yesterday afternoon. I am not saying that it is just because it is a Mississippi unit, we grew up in the South we know how these things go.

This is sad. I don't know if I completely agree with what they did (they are wrong in the big picture) but if anyone thinks they didn't know what they faced in doing this they are crazy. That took a lot of guts and I respect them for that. They are sending out a message in a bottle hoping someone will pick it up, someone did.

I heard the phone call on ABC WNT last night "We are being held prisoner"

Our local radio idiot was going off on this yesterday "DO WHAT YOU ARE TOLD". One caller with impressive credentials (in Gulf1 platoon refused at first to take mystery pill and then later an officer) called in to say that there is more to this story than we know yet and that he sided with the soldier's from what he had heard. The radio host was making fun of him.

I called in but he had switched topics.

Look, there are lots of points to be made but if people think that these soldiers didn't know what was coming their way by doing this they are crazy. It sounds to me that this wasn't just a few enlisted guys doing this but at least parts of their NCO and Officer chains of command.

They are trying to tell people what is really going on.

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this needs to stay with Reservist Mom thread

Sounds like they were arrested and threatened and pressured until fifteen of them gave in. And who could blame them? They're probably being threatened with losing everything they've worked for and being imprisoned, leaving their families destitute.

See my other posts here on them knowing what was coming if they did this.

They took a HUGE risk but then maybe they felt like they had nothing to lose, people do weird things when they are put in that situation. Real lifelong risks-they are reservists so they do have regular jobs (maybe that is part of why they got the idea).

I don't know how it got down to FIVE but it seems not to have stuck. From what I have read this included both the NCO and Officer chains of command so it's not like it was just a couple of PO'ed enlisted guys (who pretty much are always PO'ed).

Did the 15 ever deliver the load of contaminated fuel?

I posted this in the other thread and will here as well. It is what I think is going on. The water-contaminated fuel was refused for delivery by the first unit they delivered it to. Now why would that unit even know it was contaminated? Because this guard unit told them it was. That delivery was into a safe area, and it was refused, because it is a contaminated load of fuel. So this guard unit brings the load back. I assume someone in the regulars/brass is pissed because they still have this load of water-contaminated fuel they thought they were getting rid of, so they know the only way the unit in the safe area could have found out is that this guard unit TOLD them. So now pissed off brass/regualrs decide they will SHOW this guard unit, and order it delivered to a highly dangerous area in an underarmed convoy !!

The traitors are the brass/regulars who are trying to send known contaminated fuel to our troops in the field. The traitors are the brass/regulars sending a guard unit to certain attack in dangerous area, in under-armed vehicles and convoys, in retailiation for the guard unit informing the first unit that this fuel is contaminated with water.

now the guard unit is being demonized in the compliant press.

Are they watering down the fuel to save money (Halliburton) or because they are having so much trouble moving it around?

I don't know.

Very good point.

It's highly unlikely that enlisted people in a Transportation Company discovered such contamination on their own. We need to know how it became known that the fuel was contaminated.

We need to find out why and by whom delivery of the contaminated fuel was accepted. When the military receives faulty equipment or supplies from any contractor or supplier, they're absolutely obliged to refuse delivery and report the supplier. Knowingly providing faulty supplies or equipment, on contract, to the military in a war zone can be regarded as a war crime. It's called sabotage.

Is some part of the military Quartermaster Corps command structure committing treason in collusion with Halliburton?

If there's criminality in the delivery, acceptance, and cover-up of contaminated fuel, then any order to compound the criminality is, indeed, an "illegal order."

I think the issues of unarmored Humvees and safety are red-herrings. The real issue of substance is how the military accepted contaminated fuel from the supplier, i.e. Halliburton.

is "fighting" for our country.

in unarmed Humvees that can only go 40MPH and a 90% likelihood of being attacked .

Yeah sign me up for THAT! Hold it this is a reserve unit they didn't sign up for that they signed up for some extra cash, another line on their resume, and to help out their neighbors if there is a NATURAL disaster.

Also checked the message board for the story out of morbid curiosity, and overall it's pretty ugly.

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...because it was pretty toxic, but the general sentiment was that that everyone in that platoon should all be taken out and shot dead.

Then there were the usual Kerry bashers saying that he would be handing out purple hearts like candy. I wrote back to one such post and said that I thought the GOP had given all those out as gag gifts at the RNC.

Every so often you have to read the AOL boards to keep up on the latest in fascist, uneducated thought. Forewarned is forearmed.

That was my first thought when they chose to show his wife yesterday. They're going to make it a "lazy black" issue. This is even worse than that. I just want to pull my hair out.

do it for the TROOPS !!!

Read all these threads, they are all linked:


Reservist calls Mom at home for help in Iraq
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2498461

The first FACE of the order defying platoon in Iraq 'Murka will see
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2498483


and keep them kicked to the top together !!!

CNN reporting mutiny by unit
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2495132


All posts in all these threads are RELEVENT.

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Read all these threads, they are all linked:


Reservist calls Mom at home for help in Iraq
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2498461

The first FACE of the order defying platoon in Iraq 'Murka will see
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2498483


and keep them kicked to the top together !!!

CNN reporting mutiny by unit
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2495132


All posts in all these threads are RELEVENT.

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delivered by another unit with no problems. By calling it a suicide mission and then having it turn out to be just another run of the mill mission will do great harm to their cause. According to reports I heard they raised legitimate concerns but did it in an inappropriate manner and will get the book thrown at them to put an immediate stop to any future such incidents.

And I bet an armed escort materialized as well.

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If you don't know what this is, read here:

http://www.museumca.org/picturethis/4_4.html

My thoughts too.

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When I was in the military,(back in the ole brown shoe Army) Nixon was the commander in chief! Nixon may have been a lot of bad things, but Nixon was not a God damned AWOL! The example the leaders of our military set for the troops, is what has made our military work so well, for over two centuries! Would you fight as hard for leaders who lie to you every day, as you would for leaders who tell you the honest truth? The plain truth, is VERY important in a bad situation like we have in Iraq! Soldiers have little respect for liars and cop outs!

A good military leader will never ask his men to do something that he himself would not, or could not do! Would Bush drive one of those trucks down that road? Would Rumbo or any of the other Neocons do it? I'll bet you John Kerry would, IF, he thought it was safe for his men and that is the difference! Trust and respect for the leaders means everything in Iraq, or any other war! Bush told several lies that led to this war in Iraq in the first place,and these guys ALL know that now!

independently. Big media is very conniving and usually more subtle.

Another picture of this man? Racism works SO WELL in the U.S. Just press the button and VOILA!!!

How UnAmerican! How unheroic!! How Black of him!!

Can't help but wonder how many of the brilliant top level white brass would be willing to jump into an unarmed truck full of fuel and drive it through places full of Iraqis who are a tad resentful about their country being subjugated by corporate America.

Racism? Naaaaahhhh. They just happened to be unlucky....and black.