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NightTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 08:47 PM
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You're gonna LOVE this letter to the editor!
It appeared in this weekend's Journal Inquirer (Manchester, CT). Have fun picking this one apart, gang!


Why do some people hate President Bush? Is it because he is an avowed Christian who thinks abortion is simply the killing of an innocent child and because of this doesn't care about a woman's so-called "right" to choose? Or is it because of the Iraq war? I think some of both.

This paper seems to enjoy arrogantly looking at things with the benefit of hindsight.

I'll try to make this as simple as I can: President Bush thought--even before 9/11, as most of us did--that Saddam has WMDs. To date, we have not found any. But let's think about it rationally for a minute. Is it unreasonable to assume that Saddam simply sent any illegal materials he had to Syria, to Libya, or wherever, just in case? Would that not be the logical thing to do?

And if Bush lied, knowingly and purposely (like President Clinton), why didn't he have someone stash a few containers of anthrax somewhere? Maybe some sort of nuclear materials and whatever just to make it look good? If he knew he was going to look foolish when nothing was found, doing this would have erased any doubt about the justification of attacking Saddam.

The fact is he thought Saddam at the very least had the desire and potential to acquire anything he could get his hands on. Funny thing is, Clinton thought the exact same thing. Amazing how certain people develop fuzzy memories.

As for finding no link between Saddam and al-Qaida: Please. Do you honestly think that after watching 9/11 Saddam didn't pick up the phone and say "nice shot" to bin Laden? Are we so arrogant that we think that if we can't find something it must not exist? In spite of our overwhelming military might, this is a big world. Is it impossible to cover it all, even for us.

I admit this unsettles your prejudices by requiring you to think about these things intelligently, but that should he what reasonable people do.

Kelly Tirrell
Enfield
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Kierkegaard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 08:53 PM
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1. You were wrong. I didn't love it.
Oops. I destroyed another country. So much for my hunch...

If that's good enough for you, Kelly, then you need professional help. Being the president of the world's only super power requires more than gut instinct.
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 08:53 PM
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2. ahh kelly kelly kelly
we hate bush because he lied, rushed us to war, didn't strengthen Homeland Security and protect our borders or our ports. We hate Bush because he took a suplus and turned it into the biggest deficit ever. We hate Bush because Iraq was neutered thanks to the no fly zones but now is a hotbed for terrorists. We hate Bush because he sent loads of money to his corporate cronies and let health care, tuiton and fuel prices go up by large percentages.

that's just off the top of my head, I'm sure I'd think of more in no time.
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 08:53 PM
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3. First thought that came to mind for me
I'd love to have a battle of the wits with Kelly, but I hate fighting an unarmed opponent.

:evilgrin:

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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 08:54 PM
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4. I got as far as this and had to stop:
President Bush thought--even before 9/11, as most of us did--that Saddam has WMDs.

Really? Funny that there's video of Powell and Rice denying that statement in the months leading up to 9/11.

That's as far as I got. Screw them.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 08:55 PM
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5. This sort of blazing stupidity is why our country is in trouble.
These are the *morans* who voted, and will vote again, for the worst president ever.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 09:05 PM
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6. Hate bush* because:
He is stealing money from our children, giving it to his billionair friends, and then claiming that he has Family Values! Someone who steals from the children does NOT value the family!

Today's children (and their children) will pay the bill for bush*s War on the Iraqi people.
Today's millionaires will PROFIT from bush*s War on the Iraqi People!

What do we tell the children who will have to pay for this insanity?
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 09:08 PM
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7. Please post some dead Iraqi baby shots
for Ms. Tirrell to peruse. Did Jesus call for this? How can killing 30,000+ Iraqis be called "Pro-life?" When Bush claims he is God's chosen, he commits blasphemy. I am tired of bloodthirsty women like Tirrell justifying the mass killing of Iraqi civilians. These Repuke Bush Bootlicking people have no souls....
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NightTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 09:17 PM
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8. Here's my (tentative) reply. See what you think.
Edited on Sun Oct-17-04 09:17 PM by NightTrain
Thought I'd run my reply by y'all before I e-mailed it to the newspaper. Comments, suggestions, and most importantly corrections are most welcome!


This is in reply to the list of right-wing talking points so patronizingly repeated by Kelly Tirrell of Enfield.

To quote Dick Cheney: “It’s hard to know where to begin.” But I guess I’ll start with Tirrell’s opening question, “Why do so many people hate President Bush?”

“Hate” may be too strong a word to describe my feelings toward Mr. Bush, but I certainly do not like the man, and it has nothing to do with his being “an avowed Christian.” Rather, it’s because Bush is a living example of unearned success.

His entire life, George W. Bush has had everything handed to him. From being accepted to Harvard due to its Legacy program, to getting into the Texas Air Guard ahead of several hundred other applicants (and going AWOL from even that cushy job), to the presidency of the United States, to which he was never elected, George W. Bush has never had to work hard for anything. As a $12-an-hour delivery driver, I deeply resent that!

Regarding the Iraq war: Some of us knew in 2002 that Saddam Hussein had no WMDs. Scott Ritter, who managed the U.N. weapons inspection team in Iraq from 1991-1998, traveled the country in the months leading up to the war and gave numerous speeches in which he painstakingly outlined the reasons for his certainty that Iraq no longer had WMDs. But hardly anyone listened.

Tirrell did not mention that Bush has changed his story several times about why we invaded Iraq. It was WMDs! No wait, it was to liberate the Iraqi people! No, wait, it was.... You get the idea.

As for her comparison of Bush’s lies to Bill Clinton’s, nobody died when the latter claimed that he did not have sex with Monica Lewinsky. But as I type this letter, 1,100 U.S. soldiers have been killed in the cynically-named Operation Iraqi Freedom, as have tens of thousands of Iraqis. So which lie is worse?

As for Saddam’s sending his WMDs to another country, wouldn’t our spy satellites have picked up something like that? If those satellites can clearly photograph a car’s license plate from outer space, I hardly think they would have missed a caravan hauling missiles across the desert.

Tirrell states that, “Saddam at the very least had the desire and potential to acquire anything he could get his hands on.” And that justified our invasion of his country?

I might have the desire and potential to kill someone, but if I don’t do it, should I be arrested for murder?

Tirrell’s claim that Saddam congratulated bin Laden on 9/11 is just laughable. Osama bin Laden is an Islamic extremist who hated Saddam Hussein’s secular attitudes and called him an infidel. I guarantee you, when the United States overthrew Saddam, nobody was happier about it than Osama bin Laden.

Tirrell needs to spend less time watching Fox News and more time trying to become one of the “reasonable people” that she champions.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 09:57 PM
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10. Good work, NightTrain
Send it!
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wellst0nev0ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 09:26 PM
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9. Hmm, If Saddam Knew Osama's Phone Number
Wouldn't he had taken it upon himself to destroy him, or at least crack down on his operation in Iraq since the two are enemies of each other?

http://www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/pgtrpt/2001/html/10247.htm

Let us hope she takes a look at that overview and tell us which particular country is missing from that list.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 09:45 PM
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11. ug
Edited on Mon Oct-18-04 09:46 PM by proud patriot
:thumbsdown:
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KlatooBNikto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 09:50 PM
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12. More evidence of the invincible ignorance of Americans.
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