Do the South Park guys have a hidden agenda?

I just saw one of the South Park guys going on about how ridiculous it is to them that celebrities share their political views with the public. I don't really understand why they have a problem with this.

Aren't celebrities citizens of the states, too? Don't they have children whose futures they are concerned for? Wouldn't it be far more disgusting of them to NOT voice their concerns and just be rich fat cats that didn't worry about the state of the world, because they have enough money to live any way they want?

The reason I am wondering if they have a hidden agenda is based on the celebrities that they do the most complaining about and then lampoon on their show (and now in Team America). For example, Sean Penn, the Baldwins (before the one brother found religion), Barbara Streisand, Rob Reiner, etc. Initially I thought that they were pretty liberal given some of the scenarios they present on their show. Now I wonder...

And aren't they just screwing themselves by doing this? I mean the majority of the entertainment industry (Hollywood) is still considered very liberal/Democrat...

Any thoughts? What gives wit these guys? Are they liberal? Or what?

Feistygrrl:)

I can't stand them, although I can't deny that their show can be really funny.

if I ever meet them.

Yes, they have an agenda.
No, it is not hidden.

I enjoy SP once in a while. It's not a show I tape or watch religiously, but if there's nothing else on I'll watch it. I did find the "Passion" episode hilarious.

Their politics sound immature and simplistic though. Team America isn't South Park. Their philosophy regarding dicks, ass holes and pussies, is amusing, but really pretty shallow.

This movie isn't really skewering both sides. Sure it may make fun of the jingoism to some extent, but it's ultimately defending America's imperialist foreihn policy. Its real hatred is for the left. Now, I have no problem making fun of Michael Moore, and various Hollywood actors. They're fair game. But MM as a traitor? Why not take some shots at RW pundits? Ann Coulter for example?

I know some may find this observation ridiculous, but I get the impression that they feel that America is doing what it needs to be doing. I'm not interested in hearing about this movie making fun of both sides. It may be funny at parts, but it's really saying the US is taking care of business, and those stupid pussy liberals should just shut the fuck up.

It was not too long ago that the original South Park Movie came out, and I felt it was one of the most brilliant sophomoric gems I had ever seen. The scary thing for me looking back on all that was how almost prophetic that movie was.

America going into an insanely unnecessary war for no good reason, the Insane patriotism and jingoism that followed, Saddam as the villain, and on and on and on. Not too unlike what we are going through today.

I have always enjoyed South Park, and I always thought it was clever and funny. I did not always agree with what I saw, but I always felt they were pretty harmless, and talented, and in Trey's case, horribly closeted guys. (Trey, I'm sorry, it was OBVIOUS after your Dennis Miller appearance on HBO a few years ago. Come out, please. It's OK. I for one will welcome you with open arms. Come on out.)

But I am puzzled by this new film, and the attitude they have adopted. Following them as closely as I have in the past, it would not surprise me if they were just doing this to piss everyone off, to be contrary, or whatever sick little twisted reasons they have, but I must say I am disappointed, and I'm sorry boys, this is not appropriate, even if you DON'T support the BFEE and what they are doing.

We stand at probably one of the most perilous points of our country's history. Our Government has been hijacked by neo-conservative thugs who have falsely taken this country to War, and are aggressively asserting an to take over this planet through an Imperialist Agenda that was crafted many years ago, and is only now beginning to come to fruition.

We are in danger of having the wondrous 228 year-old experiment begun by our forefathers ENDED, perhaps permanently, and having it replaced with something that could very well eventually endanger they very existence and continuation of our species.

THIS IS NOT THE TIME for crap like this. It simply isn't. Though I MAY be able to understand where the boys are coming from, at least I HOPE they are coming from, and they have NOT gone to the Dark Side, even at that, the timing is LOUSY. AFTER the problem is EJECTED from the White House, even though I still probably wouldn't have had a good opinion of this film, I say, let them spew.

But right now isn't the time.

And if they HAVE gone to the Dark Side, or perhaps always have been there, all I can say is, SHAME ON YOU Matt and Trey. SHAME ON YOU.

You are both better than this.

Please, do us all a favor and either WAKE The Fuck Up, or SHUT The Fuck Up, at least about this particular subject.

Because IMHO, no matter WHAT context you are projecting it in, A) You Don't Know Or Understand What The Hell You Are Talking About, and B) Your Timing Stinks.

Stick to what you know.

Because we could ALL use a Good Laugh right now.

As Jon Stewart would say, Please, PLEASE.....STOP.

(minus the Saddam stuff), try Canadian Bacon, written and directed by Michael Moore. Made in 1995, it deals with an unpopular president declaring war on Canada to bolster his sagging popularity. (And there's also the brilliant Wag the Dog from 1998.)

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<<<and in Trey's case, horribly closeted guys. (Trey, I'm sorry, it was OBVIOUS after your Dennis Miller appearance on HBO a few years ago. Come out, please. It's OK. I for one will welcome you with open arms. Come on out.)>>>

I saw this episode of Dennis Miller. Wasn't Trey going on about Ricky Martin ruining Les Miserable for him, because he was so horrible in it? I saw that. When I saw them, it was one of the first times I had seen Trey talk at length about anything outside of the show. Prior to this I just took it for granted one or both was gay (given some of the gay positive subject matter of the show). I was surprised (much later) when I heard Trey speaking of someone (female) that he dated. I wondered if I was wrong in my assumption or if he was just saying that to show himself as straight.

Maybe he is horribly closeted. Maybe he is Mr. Garrison and doesn't know it yet. Maybe Matt is his Mr. Hat! LOL!

I just saw one of the South Park guys going on about how ridiculous it is to them that celebrities share their political views with the public. I don't really understand why they have a problem with this.

They clearly have political views. In fact, expressing, publically, a view about how rediculous it is for a celebrity to express a poitical view IS a political view, IMHO.

So, was he being sarcastic or just plain stupid? ;)

Like I said, maybe it's just them stirring up shit for the sake of it, but like I said, there's a time and place for everything, and at this moment in time, this most dangerous and serious moment, this is neither the time nor place.

It's timing is very ill-conceived, and it's just not what is needed right now. They do not seem to grasp where we are, and they don't seem to care.

Then Again, it IS just a stupid Puppet Show, and maybe we are taking it too seriously.

Still, I view their new film as an unfortunate example of misguided, ill-timed tomfoolery, and a shining example that too many people in this country are not taking this moment in their history seriously ENOUGH.

..out in open - not "hidden." And it's not a liberal one.

The film belittles the opinion of liberal actors but why not of Reich Wing talk show hosts?

If liberal actors are not qualified to opine about politics, what makes Reich Wing talk show
hosts more qualified to opine about politics?

Rush Limbaugh was a former baseball commentator.

Bill O Riley was a former anchor for the TV tabloid show "A Current Affair."

Michael Medved is a former movie critic.

What makes these people more credible to opine about politics?

There is not ONE joke that make fun of Conservatism or of a Conservative personality .

Only Liberal personalities are made fun of in this film.

Liberals should not financially support this movie.

If you must see it, pay for a Motorcycle Diaries ticket and sneak into Team America,
thatÕs what I did.

The movie isnÕt even funny, itÕs just crude.

who could give a fuck about any one else.

:toast:

is as comical as anything these guys have ever written. The knee-jerk indignation is precious. The script just keeps writing itself.

C'mon, all ... Who'll join the real-time parody next? This is comic genius in the works!

They are transparently gop and if you cannot see that, either through their work or through their public comments, then I suggest that you may be blinded by loyalty to something that was once new and exciting and is now only crass and lame.

they are retards and they know that.

--End of Message--

They're not satirical geniuses, comedy geniuses or anything that has the word "genius" remotely related to it. Their work, to me, is about the level of a 10th grader.

having an opinion is that they totally overlook that the fact that most actors are educated - whether formally or through research they do for their roles. Also, there's a difference between Brittany Spears and Tim Robbins and if someone can't see that, well, then he probably can't see the difference between John Kerry & George Bush and yet he still has the right to vote.

expresses a 'political opinion' ...

I guess that is their exclusive province ...

to vote if we didn't want to.

They think the Kennedys are all in hell.

Their movie is RW propaganda.

it's part of the conventional wisdom nowadays among the elite and rw they are just 'capitalizing' on it :evilgrin:

peace

Maybe 'agenda' wasn't the appropriate word. LOL! But I am disgruntled by the fact that in the show South Park and now with the movie (which I haven't seen) that they don't take ANY shots at any RIGHT wingers. In the show's infancy, it seemed that they were going to take on various issues and people and there was a broad spectrum.

Now I feel that this is not the case and I don't like it. I don't feel particularly inclined to support it, by seeing their movie. I waited patiently to see where they would take all of this, and if they ever would take on the 'right.' I've lost patience now. Particularly after their comments of late.

The closest thing they had to any sort of RW commentary was the former (brief) show on Comedy Central, "That's my Bush." That was there's wasn't it? I never watched it, so I am not at all sure what the content was or which way it leaned. Did anyone see it while it was on air?

Thanks for all the responses and commentary!
Feistygrrl

that was from stone and parker? who knew?

stupid 9/11 stopped us from poking fun at a perfectly asinine president.

but all humor was outlawed after 9-11, unless it involved the death of bin Laden or the foe du jour, or the Führer Chimp vanquising something-or-other.

If Hollywood actors know nothing about politics, I'd like to see these two pot heads debate Ganeane Gerafalo or Tim Robbins on the war.

Now that would be funny and entertaining. :evilgrin:

I Me Me Mine

that's their agenda

you people are stupid and we will pander to you and take your money

Just like Fox news.

they are celebrities..and they share their opinions....I don't think a conspiracy theory is in order here..


They make fun of everyone..Mel Gibson, Bush, Moore, Brando, ect. ect.

If you take the Saouthpark guys seriously then you are part of what they are making fun of.

Laugh at yourself. Then laugh at others.

It is a good rule of thumbs.

Cha---CHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Stop looking to celebrities for validation of your miserable little pathetic life.

I sure as hell don't.

he bullies the wimpy liberal one. I base this on their work and that they've said that their votes cancel each other out.

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This movie only opened with about 12 million dollars. Which is quite low, and this movie was expected to do more than 20 million. 12 million opening weekend I would consider a "bomb," especially for all the marketing and publicity it has had. This movie will have a hard time making more than 35 million. So I wouldn't worry about it too much.

Also to the poster who said that Matt and Trey are right-leaning libertarian types; I would say that is a dead-on description of their political views.

Any thoughts? What gives wit these guys? Are they liberal? Or what?

I don't think there's an awful lot of politics actally going on there. There basic stance seems to be that everything's equally ridiculous.

Their stupid assertion that celebrities shouldn't publically express political opinions is, of course, particularly ridiculous. Not that it isn't a good trick, if a targetted celebrity opines to the contrary, why they're expressing an opinion, which is ridiculous... pretty clever.

If One Is A Dedicated Fan, This Is Apparent.

on Comedy central trying to portray W as a nice Forest Gump - only smarter, honorable and more loveable.

I Know, I'll Get The Works, But As An avid Fan Of South Park I Believe They Are Completely Left-Leaning. You May Disagree, But I Think You Have To Look At It In A Comedians Perspective. One In Which The Joke Is On You If You Don't See The Humor Of It. This New Movie Of Theirs "Team America: World Police" Is No Exception - Did You Guys See The Same Movie I Did? Or Are We All Going To Go With What The Media Says Again?

It Really Is NOT A Right Wing Film At All...