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movie_girl99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 03:19 PM
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okay the same freep at work
is telling me some BS about no flu vaccines being produced in US because of lawsuits and somewhere John Edwards name came into it. Any info as to what hes yammering about?
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LiberteToujours Donating Member (737 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 03:21 PM
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1. John Edwards = Trial Lawyer
Therefore anything to do with lawsuits is his fault, after all, it's big greedy corporatists like him that make the little not have their flu shots.

He has nothing to do with it, of course. And most of John Edwards cases dealt with fighting for the American people against the corporate machine. It's just a GOP talking point.
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aden_nak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 03:22 PM
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2. I've reviews a LOT of Edwards cases.
I can't remember anything involving vaccinations, shots, or related subjects. But I can't be certain, not having reviewed them all.

See, there's the difference between Us and Them. I can't be CERTAIN because I know I don't know EVERYTHING.

Sounds like he is just talking out his ass.
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fertilizeonarbusto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 03:22 PM
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3. what a load!
Edited on Thu Oct-21-04 03:24 PM by fertilizeonarbusto
Tell that ijjit that the real reason has nothing to do with lawsuits or Edwards. If fear of lawsuits was the reason, pharmaceutical companies probably wouldn't make squat. The reason is that vaccines and antibiotics are not as profitable as once-a-day chronic-condition meds (like Viagra or Lipitor or such). Plain and simple.
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lectrobyte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 03:32 PM
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13. plus, they are low-margin, since they are not patented etc. etc.
maybe fear of lawsuits play into it, but I suspect that it is just so much more profitable to make something you hold the patent on and can charge arms and legs for. After all, they don't run those gazillion dollar "ask your doctor about" ad campaigns as a public service.
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jean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 03:22 PM
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4. that's just the repub talking point all repub spinners are using -
as soon as they are confronted with a 'flu' question they immediately go to the 'trial lawyers are the reason we have a flu vaccine shortage. And we have a ticket of two trial lawyers running for office.'

There's no substance to it.
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el_gato Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 03:22 PM
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5. Tell them they can't just make shit up and get away with it

then tell them if they try it they are nothing but a filthy liar
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Langis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 03:23 PM
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6. Yes
Also did you know that becasue Canada is the reason we don't have any flu shots. Yep, becasue they have that "Hillary" care up there they got all out flu shots.

No I'm not kidding someone said this to me today, I just wanted away.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 03:23 PM
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7. there is no money to made in vaccines
they have to produce a lot and many times they are left with huge suplies that only have a certain shelf life. It aint about lawsuits at all, it's about making money off of boner pills.
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jean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 03:44 PM
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15. today I heard on radio the Kerry/Edwards' plan for having flu vaccine
in adequate supply would have a buy-back feature in which the gov't would buy back unused vaccine so the companies wouldn't have to eat the cost/loss.

I haven't seen it in print anywhere and don't have a link.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 03:48 PM
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17. that sounds pretty reasonable
only 2 sompanies are making vaccines right now so if say 5 or 6 did then i bet the buybacks would be pretty small because no one or two companies have to take the hit.
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 03:23 PM
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8. RWers are emailing this article from the hack rag National Review
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Robbie67 Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 03:23 PM
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9. Your co-worker is a "talking points" programmed idiot
who shouldn't be voting
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 03:34 PM
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14. No... he should be voting, but in a strong, healthy, free society
Authoritarian Bootlickers, thoughtless drones who allow lies to be poured into their skulls without question, would be a tiny minority unable to help their Masters seize power.

At least that's how the Founding Fathers envisioned it 230 years ago...
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movie_girl99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 03:59 PM
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20. last week i practically had to threaten him
with harassment if he didn't take his RW bullsh*t out of my f'in office. Get this..his reply" I didn't say anything sexual to you" DUH...I replied "harassment comes in many forms asshole and its not necessarily how you intend it but how I perceive it". Needless to say he left quickly but never misses a chance to get an anti dem statement in.
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rkc3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 03:24 PM
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10. There was a post here yesterday decrsibing regulations that limit or
prohibit lawsuits against companies that provide vaccinations such as flu shots.

I likened it to legislation that allows nuclear reactors to be built despite the fact the if one melts down there is not enough insurance on the planet to cover it.

If anyone remembers this, please provide a link.

In the meantime moviegirl, remind your freeper friend bush is seeking vaccine from Canada - the source of illegal/deadly pharmaceuticals.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 03:25 PM
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11. It's total BS
The real reason is that we have moved away from a public (i.e. governmental) concern for public health, and have placed the mantle on private corporations. Once they realize they can't make a profit on it, it gets dropped. Then we are left with nothing.

This is the same thing that will happen if government abandons public education.
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XanaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 03:31 PM
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12. Congress passed in 1996 legislation to make
Edited on Thu Oct-21-04 03:33 PM by LibertyChick
it impossible to sue makers of vaccines, under Clinton.

S/he is talking out of his/her ass, as always. Tyr this and look for the flu part:

http://www.winningargument.blogspot.com/

AND:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/10/12/health/main648818.shtml
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 03:52 PM
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18. from that CBS article
Drug companies have pulled out of flu vaccine production because it's not very profitable and it's financially risky, health experts said.

One big problem is that demand for flu shots fluctuates from year to year as public interest waxes and wanes. Last season brought huge demand for a flu shot; the year before saw little interest, Poland said. But flu shots have to be made far in advance, so the manufacturers must rely on estimates and then they're "out there naked in the marketplace," said Schaffner.

If a flu shot isn't used during the season, it must be discarded. So companies generally throw away millions of doses a year, Poland said.

What's more, making vaccines requires massive capital investment and involves the costs of complying with federal regulations, and the market is relatively small, he said.
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XanaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 03:53 PM
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19. Yes, and there was an act passed protecting 'producers of vaccines
Cannot remember it now, but it goes to the heart of what this asshole Freeper is saying, that lawsuits cause lack of influenza vaccine.

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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 03:45 PM
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16. Lawsuits represent about 1% of the total overhead cost
Edited on Thu Oct-21-04 03:46 PM by 0rganism
'course, if bush gave a shit about flu vaccines, he would have put language into the "Patriot" act to protect flu vaccine makers from lawsuits just like he protects Eli-Lily's vaccines that cause autism in kids. Ask your pet freep why he didn't do that.

When is the last time someone's been awarded an outrageous sum over a flu shot, anyway?
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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 04:00 PM
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21. Sounds like she is talking about Cheney's comments
...if I heard right, he said that if we had allowed the bad vaccines in, people would have gotten sick and then turned around and sued.

Of course, it's Edwards' fault. And also Bill Clinton's. He HAS to figure in here somehow.
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