ok I'll admit it - I hired a freeper

Yes, I admit it (NO LIES HERE). I hired a young repuke to work on my house for $20.00 an hour. I couldn't find anyone to work for anything less that had the skills I needed.

The guy was here (appeared without any notice of course) about 10 mins. after I got up yesterday morning. Luckily I was at least 1/2 awake. He said he had lost my phone # even though I sent it to him and had it written on the paperwork in several places *lie lie lie lie lie*. :eyes:

Being I needed him badly, I tolerated the Dick Cheney remarks about his flu shot needs, etc. He was angered that * didn't get one (yeah right) and he thought that "some senators might need one" (I wonder which senators?). Anyway, I played along "as if". I did mention I'd voted already and that I was not supporting any further taxation of the working class that are initiatives on the local ballot. He seemed annoyed at me for saying this. Can't please 'em all can you? Good thing he did not ask me who I supported as I would have said Kucinich, but ... :evilgrin:

Oh well, you can't please 'em all can you.

So he worked away in my house 1/2 the day yesterday - did good work (which I do appreciate). I offered to pay him and he said he wasn't done yet and he'd be back next week. Off he went in his giant SUV which gets 10 MPG.

He seemed like a nice enough guy, just such a damn waste being a puke and all. *sigh*

Would you have hired him if you had no other option like I did? Like it or not we must all live in America together and in the words of Rodney King, we must all get along (as difficult as it may be).

I hate concealing my beliefs ... damn ...

Oh well.

baldearg

Don't involve their politics - that just the kinda shit a freeper would do.

He came to me strongly recommended but it took him a month to show up to do the work. Good work yes. Politics, no - I did not go there. More jokes than anything else.

I wonder - if the situation was reversed would he have hired me? I offered to fix his computer for FREE (and that still stands). He didn't bite on that offer but I tried.

That is more than most will do these days. I think I'd get the door slammed in my face around here to be honest with you. *sigh*

A Dem hiring someone? That doesn't compute at all. I thought most Dems were on welfare. /sarcasm

but ... in the words of my late father (who was really a right on dude!) ...

Money talks and bullshit walks .... :evilgrin:

Did good work and refused payment until he finished?

Can I have his phone number?

and he didn't want to be paid for that either *yet*. I wonder how big the bill is going to be by the time all of this is over? *yeek*

lol! :D

You are the employer. If neither of you talk politics I can understand but why must you be quiet when he can spout?????

and this flag waver across the street referred to my partner as being "scary" being he has a beard. So, yeah, I toned it down and I hid my Kucinich sign.

You know what, this really does suck. They blow their horns all they like while we literally live in a closet hiding. I wonder if he would have wanted to work here if the Kucinich signs were still in the windows?

He wanted to see my garage and car (which has no stickers on it being John Kerry never sent me the one I ordered). I guess he thinks I'm apolitical perhaps?

How I hate this!!

for Habitat for Humanity houses being built. For some reason I can't understand, fundies are prevalent among drywall hangers in my area (hell, fundies and freepers are prevalent EVERYWHERE in my neck of the woods!). I happened to be on a site when a drywall crew was at work, and they latched onto me with a diatribe against Catholics. After a couple of minutes, I just walked out while the guy was in midsentence. I could have engaged in battle, but what's the use? These people have heads harder and denser than tungsten carbide.

and no, I did not hide my holy water from Lourdes and no, I did not remove my fountain next to the door with the Virgin Mary on it. If it comes to that, I'd tell him to fuck off.

That is one thing I will never pretend I am not - a Catholic (even though I am admittedly a very lackluster one).

no doubt he assumed you were on 'his' side...

but thousands of born agains out there. :puke:

Catholics aren't liked around here much and they are few and far between but I will never pretend that I am not a Catholic no matter what anyone says or thinks about it. I can B.S. about my political beliefs to a point but when it comes to lying about my religious beliefs, that is where I draw the line.

never lie about my political beliefs! LOL! Grin.

Some of these people regard verbal abuse from anyone outside their cult as a blessing of sorts...a watered-down form of martyrdom. I figured that just walking away was a subtle indication of disapproval without providing the guy with imaginary heavenly brownie points.

BTW, even though I'm not Catholic, I went to an undergrad Catholic school and developed a deep respect for the priests and nuns who served as faculty and educators. I'm convinced their academic traditions could serve as a model for public education. I had to write a research paper in every class I attended - whether it was literature or mathematics - and I think I'm all the better for it.

I did not attend a Catholic school as my parents did not have the money for it. However, I agree with you, their schools and colleges are very fine institutions I've always believed. You get some fine education at their schools and I always wondered if I was smart enough to even go to one.

As I said, I'm not a diehard Catholic - I was born into the religion and I have always had a great deal of respect for it and I have never believed that hiding the fact that I am Catholic is something I should ever do. I've actually been discriminated against because of my Catholicism and believe me, I did not let that one go, no way.

I hate having to defend Catholicism even more than I do my political beliefs. Now if that isn't a quandry, I do not know what is.

I've caught flak over my church as well (not here, fortunately): Southern Baptist. I go there partly because it's the church in which my wife grew up, but mostly because it's the largest denomination in my area, giving the biggest variety of mission opportunities. I disagree with a large part of the SBC positions - and their political leanings - but I ignore it and go about the work I've chosen to perform. I've never gotten into a political discussion at the church I attend (I was involved with organized labor activities for many years, so maybe my reputation precedes me), and that's fine with me.

I could have never afforded tuition at the Catholic school I attended; fortunately, my employer footed the bill.

Is that the main characteristic you look at to determine your judgement of a person? Is he honest? Friendly? A hard worker?

Does he have shifty eyes?

Five years ago, would politics have mattered at all when you were trying to figure out if someone was a good person or not?

rather than the color of their state of mind.

My financial advisor is a republican, but we get along fine - we rib each other a bit. I know his wife counts bumper stickers, so I made sure to let him know all the cars in the office parking lot with Kerry stickers.

We probably wouldn't get along if we were aggressively trying to convert each other, but we can laugh about our differences. I'd never dump him, the guy has been a saint in setting up our 403b plan where I work, even sitting through some hateful school board meetings to go to bat for us. I'm still recommending him to other people.

Even while phone banking, I go out of my way to be nice to the Bush supporters. I laugh and threaten to send telepathetic messages to them after I hang up, they laugh too. After the election, we're all going to have to get along somehow.

I probably would walk away from a store that had Bush signs in the window; I wouldn't go out of my way to support them ... but neither would I go out of my way to be divisive. I'd speak up if someone was bashing Kerry, I'm not going to pretend to accept it, but I'd try to do it in a way that doesn't cause an argument.

especially if we want President Kerry's term to be a success.

Given the state of world affairs resulting from Bush plans and policy, should we take another one in the ass without standing up for our country and the world?
Every dead US soldier, every dead Afghani and Iraqi tell me "NO! FUCK NO!" we wont go quietly into another black night with murdering thieves siezing control of our country for another 4 years. I dont think that is going to be the actual issue, BUT, what we WILL see when Kerry wins is the Repuke response, and we should be ready and prepared to FIGHT for the right of self rule. More to my point, we should see what they are doing and feel no compunctions about returning their fire.

...if I managed a MacDonald's.
All shrub nurturers deserve MacJobs so they can get a general idea of what we're talking about.

while on YOUR dime? I'd say, "OK, time to work." Who cares about the politics of a worker? This is America, he's free to have his own dumbass opinion. But I sure wouldn't be paying for the time for him to spout his crap. He can go elsewhere and do it on his own time.

and if i needed someone and he was qualified, yeah i guess i hire him. why are you hiding your beliefs? Once again, you are paying him.

Highly puke area where I live. :shrug: so what do you do? I really need this guy so I played it down. I guess you do what you have to do. He did not talk much, just a little. He is a NICE guy ok, I like him - just the whole thing with the politics is a turn-off for me.

I changed the converstation to the weather to be honest with you - always an innoculous and boring subject and appropriate given the type of work being done. *sigh*

I really do wish we could all just get along and that we did not have to feel the need to judge one another for any reason. However, I find myself doing it now and it is against my own standards. I suspect I am rather annoyed with myself. In the past I could have cared less. Those were the days weren't they? Will we ever find them again?

if he starts just tell him you dont discuss politcs.

Because George Bush and Dick Cheney do? I believe the vast majority of Bush-Cheney supporters are good, honest people who get fooled because they assume others are ALSO NOT lying and cheating. And they're not critical thinkers to begin with, or they don't question what they were taught as children.

Has it really come to this? I'm certainly into boycotting big companies that work against our political and social ideals. Not wanting to socialize with pushy loudmouthed freepers or others with whom you can't get past the politics, I can see. But interfering with their ability to make a living? Is it time for that? I don't think so.

He was not a loudmouth, just *concerned* about Cheney being he is the vice-president and we really *need* him just *in case* something happpens to the big W. Jesus. :puke:

I could have done without that one but I refrained from commenting on the bionic man.

It wasn't hard to talk him out of boycotting France - all I had to say was I'd have to get my Perrier in town. I guess he figured I'd pick up a few other groceries while I was there, too. So he's not completely stupid. He's also a nice person.

I'll admit if I was looking at two people to do some work, and both seemed honest and capable but one was all concerned about Dick Cheney, I'd pick the other one.

About concealing your beliefs, my question is why did you do it - because you were afraid he'd get mad and screw up the job, or because you figured it wasn't worth engaging him?

<< because you were afraid he'd get mad and screw up the job, or because you figured it wasn't worth engaging him? >>

Sad scenario I'll admit. Its a bitch having to live your life in fear of what might happen if you say what you believe isn't it?

When he comes back, I'll stick to the topic of weather. That one works most of the time.

I would have liked to hire someone with like thoughts, yes, but there doesn't seem to be anyone around that is willing to work where I live (lots of retired people and college students mostly). So, in this case, the best person got the job. I would hire him again in fact and hone up on the subject of weather all around the USA before he arrives. :D

So, I guess this means I am not being a biased creep. It is just so very difficult at times. I very much dislike discrimination - it has happened to me more than once in my lifetime. It totally sucks and I am glad I haven't sunk to this level.

...to do for America. I would reccommend, however, that you pay him by check and tell him that you are sending a W-2 form so that he can get a tax cut too!

associate with Nazis before and during WW II. Did you ever see the movie "Chaplin", about Charlie Chaplin? He refused to shake hands with Nazis before WWII broke out, when many Americans were supporting Hitler. Well, that is how I feel about republicans. I tell them that right to their faces. They need to wake up and smell the fascism.

Republicans are actively destroying my country, and it is not just a matter of political difference, it is an obvious fact.

I would not allow a republican on my property, even if it was a family member.

sound very democratic to me. I'm glad you didn't let your politics cause you to discriminate against anyone. This would be as bad as discriminating against someone for their race or gender, even though they are skilled and capable of doing the job you want.

I really do appreciate your comment. My neighbor up the street said I should hire someone else but when I said "who" he had no recommendations for me and he sure isn't able to do the type of work I need to have done.

Just because someone isn't of my "ilk" so to speak does not mean that I must eliminate them from my life. Hell, people I don't agree with are all over the world.

Thanks again! :D

baldearg

He might've seen some un-American Democratic literature around the house.

:spank:

And I don't think we can all get along. So there. =)

Seriously, I can't stand these people. I've cut ties with some family and former friends over this. To me, this is very personal. It's about the well being of me and my family. These people stand in the way of that well being and as such are truly the enemy. To me, conservatives are much more threatening than 'terra-ists' or other bogeys invented to distract us from the fact that politics is about economics first.