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auburngrad82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 05:41 AM
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A Question about Free Republic and "Death Threats" against Moore
Yesterday someone posted some threads from Free Republic in which the logger expressed his desire to kill Michael Moore. Now, I realize that most of the members over there are probably about 15 years old and tend to talk out of their asses, but why aren't the Feds shutting them down? Wouldn't that constitute "terroristic activity" as seemingly defined by the Ashcroft-led Justice Department?

Imagine if someone here posted a desire to assassinate a high ranking member of the current administration. We know that there are people here who are not quite who we think they are (Agent Mike?) so you know we would be shut down faster than we could google "miserable failure". My question is do you think the Feds are monitoring Free Republic as well and why would they not take posts that threaten someone's life seriously?

Fair is fair. If the government is going to shut down liberal websites then they need to also use the same standards on sites like Free Republic.
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yankeedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 05:49 AM
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1. On the Hannity boards
the other day, I read a poster say that if Kerry is elected, he wished someone would assasinate him.

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skylarmae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 06:01 AM
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2. now, who exactly is responsible for the monitoring? Does it fall
solely to Homeland Defense? If I wanted to write a letter, who to?
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 06:01 AM
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3. I think that wouldn't be perceived as a threat
If I say I wish someone would assassinate *, it's just my opinion. If I actively solicit people on this or any board to help me plan and carry out the act, that's a different matter.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 07:45 AM
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8. The secret service ususally doesn't take even wishes lightly.
Nor should they. That's how ideas get planted. Much as I dislike Mr. Bush, and wish that soon I'll never have to see his face again, I would never wish for his death. :hi:
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 06:17 AM
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4. There have been many, many reports to authorities....
Edited on Wed Oct-27-04 06:17 AM by onehandle
....over the years about FR. I imagine they are on a watch list, but unless they threaten Bush (unlikely) they will only be written off as juvenile hotheads.

They aren't called "well known hate group Free Republic" for nothing.
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 06:38 AM
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5. Sick bastards, all of them.
I think you're wrong on the average age though. I lurked for a little while and posted a few times, and corresponded with a few of them. The age span of the people I interacted with was 40-60, I'd say. Interesting, too. I posted in a thread that was about Chelsea Clinton that I thought it was low class to go after her and was, predictably, flamed. What surprised me was that I got a number of PMs from other members who didn't post in the thread, thanking me for my "courage". It appears as though members who dare to disagree are bullied or shunned. They're not as cohesive as they would like to think they are.

I'm glad there are places like Free Republic. They are in large part responsible for the "Republicans for Kerry".
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 06:52 AM
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6. I agree
Denizens of FR are of a much older average age than here on DU, which makes sense if you accept the postulate that the older one gets the more conservative you get. I do think there's some truth to that.
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Petrushka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 07:40 AM
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7. Thanks for the laugh, Gman . . .
Edited on Wed Oct-27-04 07:55 AM by Petrushka
I mean: "...the older one gets the more conservative you get." LOL Considering that I'm approaching my 69th birthday and that it was during the Reagan-Bush administration that I changed my voter's registration from "Republican" to "Democrat" . . . well . . . as my husband tells everyone, "It took a lotta years for her to wake up!"

Edited to add: Until I found the DU site a couple of weeks ago, I was unaware of the FR site. Didn't check it out, however, until a day or so ago. (Don't spend much time online, for one thing.) Just wanted to add that I can't believe the hateful messages posted by so many so-called "Christians" over there! When it comes to death threats being made by 15-year-olds or anyone else, I don't think they should be ignored. Hopefully, that site is being monitored closely by those in a position to DO something about it!

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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 08:55 AM
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12. I'm 62 and was a Repub until the late 60s. Welcome to DU!
:toast:
:D
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Petrushka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 11:07 AM
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14. Thanks for the welcome, karl!
See there?! Conservative when young and foolish, liberal when older and wiser . . . right? LOL
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 03:52 PM
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17. Well, I'm 50 and still liberal
I've never been very liberal or progressive as I'm more conservative on economic and business issues. But, on the other hand, I spent several years as a union rep too and can lean progressive at times.

There are very obviously many exceptions to this generality. However, I've seen many of my friends that were good Democrats when we worked on the McGovern campaign turn more conservative in their "old age". Some are now, at best, independent, a few are Republicans, but none would fall under the "Neocon" label.
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 08:05 AM
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10. Some but not all -
I got more conservative in some ways, but not in politics, I leaned further and further left as time went on.
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saskatoon Donating Member (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 06:03 PM
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20. Further Left as time went on
You can't get any further Left in Politics then I am. I'm 86 and during my long life I have had time enough to learn who doesn't give a damn about the ordinary working people.Hope most of you have read Unger's Book "House Of Bush, House Of Saud" Also Kitty Kelley's book "The Family". Also hope you have for on Mother Jones and read the file on the Bush Family, the whole dirty story beginning with old Prescott Bush who was dealing with the Nazis during the Wae. They are a bunch of damn crooks, even though they put on their false faces and old Barb is a real harridan and that dope Laura has smoked her share of Pot. They're a bunch of No Goods and I despise them.Grace in Tallahassee
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RapidCreek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 09:34 PM
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23. Wow! 86 eh? Good to see you're keepin your spunk!!!
I am a Mother Jones subscriber myself....and I have to say it is probably one of the best publications I have ever had the honor to read. It seems to be one of the last bastions of true journalism.

I picked up House of Saud....been sitting on my bookshelf while I read a couple other books...good to hear it's a decent read. That'll be the next one I crack open.

Me, I'm 42 and don't feel no inspiration to become a fascist yet.

RC
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 05:57 AM
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24. Amazing Grace, how sweet the sound!
God love you! My mom is the same way. She has no tolerance for Bush and never has.

I've read parts of HOBHOS, but have not read The Family yet. I intend to. Mother Jones info on the Bush family is bookmarked on my computer! Clamor Magazine is a great site you should visit if you haven't already. My sound card's out so I haven't heard it yet but there is a kick ass (I hear) Clamor radio programme, downloadable in three parts at Bush by the Numbers. They also did a great article on Prescott Bush and his dealings with the Nazis - Heir to the Holocaust.

Very nice meeting you!
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flygal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 06:38 AM
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26. Yep - I'm much more conservative since I had babies...
As in "my daughter will never dress like that skanky Briney Spears" conservative lol. But my politics will always be left leaning.
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 04:33 PM
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18. A stereotype.
Ageism.

Where do you get this "postulation" to which you believe there is truth?
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 09:23 PM
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22. Conservative with age?
I think it works differently for men and women. Men tend to get more conservative, and women more liberal. My mother, a Margaret Chase Smith Republican, cast her first vote for a Dem for president in 1980. Repuke saber-rattling turned her off, and she voted Dem for the rest of her life, even though she saw that as mostly voting against the Republicans.
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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 06:10 PM
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21. I've noticed the same thing
I get the impression that a lot of them are retirees. They talk about how they don't do any housework all day because they're online, and when their husbands come home they have to scramble to straighten up. They even give out crockpot recipes so they don't have to worry about cooking supper. They also like to talk about music, TV shows, and movie stars from the 1940s and 50s.

Sometimes when there are incendiary threads on abortion or the Schiavo case, for example, all of the posters are of one mind – no dissention. I've come to the conclusion that others are afraid to post on those threads for fear of flaming. Later, I may see a thread on the very same subject, and will see totally opposite views from the first one.
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 07:54 AM
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9. Free republic is a joke and simply not to be taken seriously. They're a
small pile of useless, worthless buffoons.
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 08:24 AM
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11. a little justice being done in my hometown re: threats
http://www.enquirerjournal.com/articles/2004/10/22/news/news10.txt

"Barker turns down deal in Easley threat case

By PETER J. HOVANEC - MONROE
The former Union County Republican Party chairman will have to wait until November, and after the election, to have his day in court against North Carolina's top elected official.

John Barker's almost comical legal battle with Gov. Mike Easley regarding an inappropriate comment made during a conversation with a state employee in August was continued Thursday after Barker and his attorney chose not to accept a plea deal.

Barker expressed frustrations over the deductions from his disability check to a state employee, and uttered something like "What the hell do I have to do, come up there and shoot the governor."

The comment landed Barker an arrest warrant nearly two months later and set the saga in motion."

Nice to know they actually do get busted sometimes

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Romulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 09:24 AM
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13. law enforcement is a right-wing fraternity
Edited on Wed Oct-27-04 09:24 AM by Romulus
especially Fed law enforcment.

Even Morris Dees of the SPLC was fed up when the overwhelmingly white conservative FBI/ATF refused to go after the overwhelmingly white conservative members of the militia movement.

If they won't touch the militia people, law enforcement won't go after people who hate Moore.
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HEIL PRESIDENT GOD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 11:22 AM
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15. amen to that
They have their hands full with the likes of Tommy Chong.
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 11:38 AM
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16. God Bless Michael Moore
Edited on Wed Oct-27-04 11:39 AM by sweetheart
Michael Moore is like a rodeo cowboy clown, who takes the heat of the
enraged bull, so that regular liberal people can speak out without
those death threats being aimed at them. The angry bull is gonna
try to gore "someone", as a witch hunt ALWAYS produces a witch.

He and ANYONE who speaks up, takes the rage of the bull, so that we
can all take our democracy back. He is serving the dharma, i support
him.
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George_S Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 04:58 PM
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19. a witch hunt ALWAYS produces a witch.
Great line.

Great post in fact.

Moore woke a lot of people up. He made it ok to be fed up with being kicked around.
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punistation Donating Member (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 06:27 AM
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25. Girl's LiveJournal rant earns her Secret Service visit.
http://www.livejournal.com/users/anniesj/331112.html

Freepers can call for the bloody spaying of as many liberals as they like... but if you dare write a rant on LiveJournal that *kinda/sorta* insinuates violence against Bush... then someone will report you to the FBI.

I feel bad for the poor girl. Having the Secret Service knock on your door can't be fun. As a smartmouthed aussie gal, I'm SO glad I don't live in your country. For my sake. Seriously.

Seriously, your country's f**ked.


Kisses XXOOXX
Jen
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