Anyone noticing that "EVERYBODY thinks Reagan was great?"

I've notice the RepubliCONs adding a short quip that EVERYONE AGREES that Reagan was a great president. I've heard it twice now. I'm wondering what they are up to.

I ignored this same feeling I have now when I heard them say that everybody knows Saddam has weapons of mass destruction and it was just too convoluted to refute it on the spot.

PS, I don't think Reagan was a great president. I thought he was a rotten president. They probably want to rename ANWR to the Reagan National Oil Pipeline Refuge.

I was pretty apolitical in those days...until Reagan cut student loans. I never forgave him for that. I shed no tears when he died.

I got ousted permanently from another Bulletin Board for posting 66 items that Reagan REALLY did whilst the majority were crying like girlie men over his death.


The firing of the air traffic controllers, winnable nuclear war,
recallable nuclear missiles, trees that
cause pollution, Elliott Abrams lying
to Congress, ketchup as a vegetable,
colluding with Guatemalan thugs,
pardons for F.B.I. lawbreakers,
voodoo economics, budget deficits,
toasts to Ferdinand Marcos, public
housing cutbacks, redbaiting the
nuclear freeze movement, James
Watt.

Getting cozy with Argentine fascist
generals, tax credits for segregated
schools, disinformation campaigns,
"homeless by choice," Manuel
Noriega, falling wages, the HUD scandal, air
raids on Libya, "constructive engagement"
with apartheid South Africa, United States
Information Agency blacklists of liberal
speakers, attacks on OSHA and workplace
safety, the invasion of Grenada, assassination
manuals, Nancy's astrologer.

Drug tests, lie detector tests, Fawn Hall,
female appointees (8 percent), mining harbors,
the S&L scandal, 239 dead U.S. troops in
Beirut, Al Haig "in control," silence on AIDS,
food-stamp reductions, Debategate, White
House shredding, Jonas Savimbi, tax cuts for
the rich, "mistakes were made."

Michael Deaver's conviction for influence
peddling, Lyn Nofziger's conviction for
influence peddling, Caspar Weinberger's
five-count indictment, Ed Meese ("You don't
have many suspects who are innocent of a
crime"), Donald Regan (women don't
"understand throw-weights"), education cuts,
massacres in El Salvador.

"The bombing begins in five minutes," $640
Pentagon toilet seats, African-American
judicial appointees (1.9 percent), Reader's
Digest, C.I.A.-sponsored car-bombing in
Lebanon (more than eighty civilians killed),
200 officials accused of wrongdoing, William
Casey, Iran/contra. "Facts are stupid
things," three-by-five cards, the MX missile,
Bitburg, S.D.I., Robert Bork, naps, Teflon.

Lots of wrong ideas but he didn't have the same cruelty, arrogance as this loser.

Tell it to the Catholic relief workers murdered by the Contras funded by Reagan and his handlers.

Tell it to the massacred villagers of El Mozote.

Hell, the Salvadoran fascists didn't think twice of wacking the Roman Catholic archbishop. Can you imagine if Castro ever killed the Roman Catholic archbishop in Cuba?

Didn't make it so then; doesn't make it so now.

oh those wacky create your own reality types. I guess we'll just have to study them.
Or roll our eyes and laugh at them behind their backs.

Unbelievably corrupt, until we met this bunch.

Oh, wait. Same bunch.

... for thirty years or more has been to rewrite history. It's part of their aim to create new American heroes, and Reagan is foremost on their list in that regard.

They're good at revisionist history, but only at the PR side of it. Historians have already placed Reagan in the indifferent middle of history.

Rewriting history is a good PR move for RepubliCONs. But, I smell something else. I almost saw it.

They are going to do something and then come back with the statement that, well, everyone agreed Reagan was...

who didn't have a problem with Bush....and thought Reagan was great.

I told this individual, the last Republican president I could truly respect was Gerald Ford. Had he not been associated with Nixon he probably would have been reelected....

Assisted in the deaths of 100's of thousands in central America.

Looted the Savings and Loan banks and stuck the tax-payers with $500 billion bill.

Set records for unemployed.

Raised taxes.

Crashed the stock market.

And that’s just for starters..

Ohh yeah, GREAT president.

How many AIDS patients have RR to thank for not funding research, and for not demanding the FDA recall the blood factor that infected ten thousand hemophiliacs.

Oh, and lest I forget, after deregulating the banking industry, taxed the unemployments checks all the people who lost jobs were forced to use.

There's one for the gipper.

simple man who willingly did what ever he was told to do by wealthy and powerful conservative businessmen, due to his utter lack of experience and total incompetence. His professional delivery of packaged bromides and sound bites are all most people remember anymore. He was not great at all, he was a tool for big business interests.

...to make Reagan look as palatable to liberals as he does today. After Bush*, I'm feeling nostalgic for Nixon.

At the time Iran was our #2 enemy after the soviet union. And ronnie sold them weapons. That was treason pure and simple.

I thought (and so stated, whenever the subject came up) that Reagan was absolutely the worst president since the 1930s, W being, now, singularly worse yet. What horrors we have endured for leaders.

doesn't turn bushie into super hero -- or some such crap -- like they have been able to do with Raygun.

Raygun was a horrible Governor -- he had students beat up and gassed.

He had cops threaten students just trying to go to class. Cops pointed their guns at students, called them names and told them to leave the campus. The cops were operating under orders from Raygun -- he wanted to bag his limit on students -- just like the Governor of Ohio was involved in the murder of students at Kent state.

Then Raygun was involved in Iran-Contra and some of the bad guys that papa bush pardoned at the end of his 4 year reign -- are involved in the bushie administration.

This time the evil ones must pay for their crimes against humanity.

as an actor he was a lousy to mediocre actor, as a president, he was a lousy to mediocre actor.

so there.

Regan accomplishments


1.Iran contra-IMO it was treason
2.support and armed Saddam,even gave him the germs for gas wmd
3.didn't say anything when Saddam gassed his own people
4.vetoed the fairness doctrine which helped destroy our media,
Faux,Rush,hannity and countless other neo conservative talking heads would not be allowed to get away with calling them selves journalist,would also force them to always have both sides represented.
5.gave 300 million to Osama Bin Laden also CIA trained Osama Bin Laden to fight the soviets in Afghanistan,then forgot about the country when the soviets were defeated.
6.Made liberal into a bad word,amongst the uninformed
7.started a Drug war that is ruining south America,I am Anti drug but the way we run the drug war only makes drug lords more wealthy and puts innocent addicts in prison
8.stupid ass star wars project that only Moran's think would work(Like Bush)
9.Refused to get rid of nukes when the soviets offered to do so as long as we did to,Made no real effort to employ soviet Nuclear scientist,IMO this made it passable for many nations to feel they needed to arm themselves with nukes also making it possible for them to do so.
10.Reagan is a huge reason we are in the mess we are in now,Repubs seem to have a way with creating enemy's or problems that affect future administrations.


anything else you guys can think of?

Reagan sucked!
But he cut taxes so he must be great(satire)

lots of DUers voted for him, if you can believe that :puke:

I never thought there could be a worse president than Reagan. Boy, was I wrong!

However, it was Reagan that engineered the dirty tricks takeover of the congress, so I am not really sure who is the worst. I guess the current stench is fresher in our noses.

Kind of like Bush, only a lot less dangerous.

He killed plenty of people, though.

He was such an ignoramous.

The fact that the media canonized Reagan is absolute incontrovertible proof that the media has gone right-wing.

We have to change the media after tomorrow, folks.

I was going to change my name to "Ronald Reagan" before the Reagan Legacy Foundation forces me to do so at gunpoint. But if you say he wasn't that great then maybe I'll hold off.

Everyone who matters, anyway. Anyone who thinks differently is beneath notice and off of their radar. Much of the time, when people say "everybody", they only really mean members of their own particular group/clique. For example: wealthy person saying "Oh, but EVERYBODY summers in the Hamptons now. It's just SO overdone. I'm taking a villa on the Cote d'Azur this season, myself." When it is patently untrue that this is something EVERYBODY does, it's obvious that all the people someone like this considers worthy of notice are the "everybody" being referred to.

I just want to know if others are notincing it being said, and what the CONs may be up to.

through ties to historical greatness. They KNOW Reagan, as a man, as a President, as a political embodiment, is of nowhere near the stature of Franklin Roosevelt, America's greatest President and champion of liberalism. So they are attempting to artificially inflate his stature. It's the Josef Goebbels technique...repeat a lie often enough, and it becomes the truth. And a big lie is easier to get away with than a small one.

...regarding the hostages when Carter was still President.

It's basically established fact that Reagan asked the Iranians to hold onto those poor people until after the Inauguration -- in return for which they'd get to buy a bunch of American arms, secretly.

This money was then recycled into an illegal war effort in Central America, the Contras of Nicaragua.

How soon everybody forgets that Reagan really did betray the American people, even before he took office.

He is no great man, no great President -- and I actually do tend to think that the Universe visited a certain karmic punishment upon him during his last 15-odd years of life.

-Technowitch

Thousands of people lost every penny they had in the Savings & Loan looting, courtesy of Dear Ol' Ron. They lost their homes, their cars, their businesses.

He was as crooked as a dog's hind leg, a horrible phony, smarmy, oily creep. He had plenty of blood on his hands.

great things did he do. She answered "A lot of things", I asked for specifics and she just said,"A lot of things". I then told her of union breaking, high unemployment, record deficits, members of his administration imprisoned for corporate theft, among other things, selling arms to the enemy, creating the homeless problem in this country, turning and running from terrorists in Beruit after they killed 300+ marines in a bombing attack, aiding the Contras in Nicaragua who in turn funded their cause with cocaine traffiking to the US. " Just what did Reagan do that was great" I asked. She responded, "He was just a great president" and ended the conversation.
Blind ignorance from the misinformed.

Grenada Trees pollute Supply side Screw the Homeless" Reagan? Oh that Ron Reagan. The man was a joke.

And of course there's Ron "We start bombing the Evil Empire in five minutes" Reagan

and besides, he was only "acting president" he never knew it was for real.

"Ronald Reagan's military buildup crushed the USSR, thereby ending the threat of communist expansion and winning the cold war."

That's how great Reagan was. My Mom loved Nixon, though, until the day she died!

for the abolition of the Fairness Doctrine...that one piece of legislation that would have at least allowed counters to all the vitriole spewed by the right since 1987.

I know a shit load of them right here in Wichita. They sure as hell don't agree he was a great President.

David

just to keep the doors open to the plant, They still shut her down under Bush 1 and went to Mexico.

The pukes want Ah-nold to be able top run for president, so this is the beginning of postirung to get a constitutional amendemnt to allow foreign born folks to be able to be president.

Elevating Reagan is good Public Relations for the RepubliCON party in general. But this does help Arnold.

Down the road, America can be ruled by families living in other countries.

Thank you Rockholm, you are one of the few who actually understood what I was asking. Your answer is a gem.

Sadly, it kinda is a no-brainer. Sadly, Ah-nold will get all of the media attention throughout this process. I wonder if he was to switch to a Democrat if the pukes would push for this amendment. I doubt it.

that while I voted for Gore and Kerry, I also liked Reagan.

had a little something to do with.

If they keep saying this stuff long enough, some will believe it.

Some of us never did. And others out there are beginning to see the truth.

EVERYBODY is whacked.

And everyone is saying how bad dubya will look in history and I always think well, everyone still loves Reagan. (although of course he wasn't as bad as dubya)

It can quickly imply that Bush may not be as good as Reagan, but since Reagan is held in esteem by everyone Bush can be pretty good. It's sneaky. They'd love it.

It's a good answer. When they did this with the WMDs it was a setup for being able to later say that everyone agreed, that is, no one objected. At which later time they can sneak an idea past in fewer words and it takes too long or is too convoluted for us to rebut while flapping gums fast on a Nightline.

Thanks prayin4rain. Hope you get as much as you want.

They haven't had a President of such a stature since Lincoln, yet the Democrats have had both FDR and JFK etched into the history books. Reagan is the best shot that the 'Pugs have of doing this(what, they're going to put Nixon, Ford, or Bushies up there:eyes:). Thus all of this frenzy to name things after him, put him on money etc. Truly pathetic.

Generally when some fool starts glorifying Reagan, I simply mention record defecits, Iran Contra, etc. Shuts them down quick.

His son is pretty cool though.

Gyre

Because I'll speak up and say "THAT rotten bastard? The mutha-fucka that had the god-dam GALL to ask me if I was doin' better than I was 4 years earlier while I was figuring out how to make a pound of Gubbmint Cheeze last to the end of the month? THAT Reagan? I'd like to go to Collie-For-Nya and not only PISS on his grave, but SHIT on it, too!"

I would challenge, and challenge LOUDLY anyone who'd have the stupidity to claim "EVERYONE liked Reagan" within my hearing...

I don't care for Raymond, either....

I would love to see it happen on TV where a fast talking RepubliCON tries to sneak in a Reagan accolade and a quick thinking honest person interjects a "NOT!" Not even interrupting, just a quick shot. If missed I hope they address it and not leave it hanging as repeat tested truth.

Nixon? Ford? Bush I? Not exactly an inspiring recent past.

I still think they want to use the no objection defense for something down the road.

Great for S&L pilferers, corporate piracy and union busters. He was a collection of sound bites and PROOF that words have more appeal than action to most republican voters.

enough it will be true.

If there is a hell, may he rot in it and fuck him anyway. We wouldn't be going through this today but for his hideous and evil regime. Absolutely nothing good came from Reagan, genocide, rampant environmental degradation, shameless greed and filthy PNAC neocons.

Now I feel better.