Bill Kristol: *Actual* Bush vote 4-5% better than the exit polls....

Things that make you go Hmmmmmmmm....

if you're chimpco.

And in 2008, it will be something like 30-40%....

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This is really pissing me off. I hate them so much!

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My question is "Where are the final exit polls". Reading Kristol, they must have been wildly in Kerry's favor.

i am starting to get nervous here.

we better get ready to count every ABSENTEE and PROVISIONAL ballot.

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"I guess I'm satisfied with Bush" - NOT

I hope to Christ I'm wrong, but I smell a transparent theft. And I shudder to think what they'll do to distract us from it this time.

since the neoCONs came to power :argh:

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Bill Kristol does have a history of that.

"I saw the exit poll numbers, and I told my friends to face up to the bad news - exit polls are almost always right. But looking at the results coming in, I see that Bush is systematically doing 4-5% better than the exit polls."

that exit polling has a history of extraordinary reliability and accuracy with the exception of the last several years. Curious phenomena huh?

anyone else hearing of this or got a link?

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Your going to get a pretty accurate count,polling 10 or 20 would be skewed one way or the other.

So...look at the exit polls in Ohio and then look at the vote count. Funny,almost opposite...

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ones with innaccurate exit polls?

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http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/PA/P/00/epolls.0.html

Look at Ohio, by the way. Looks like Kerry had a lead in the exit polls, if I'm reading this correctly.

are there any with just the totals for each?

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Not that I was expecting otherwise. Expect the "mainstream media" to have orgasms over * victory in Floriduh.

ahhh, yes...:evilfrown:

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Proving a fix is actually very simple and quick, so here it is:
Edited on Wed Nov-03-04 12:47 AM by requiem99


The assertion by pundits/Bushies that exit polling was 'way off', and thus, exit polls, which showed an easy Kerry victory in both Ohio and Florida, were incorrecty skewed and did not represent the electorate, is completely bogus.

This is disproved in minutes by simply noting the entire rest of the suite of exit polls conducted by AP and distributed to the news media. View here:

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/presiden... /

Notice, if you will, that states with a narrow or wide Bush margin of victory NOT called Ohio or Florida, project perfectly. Missouri leans to Bush in exit polls, and leaned to him in the vote. Tennessee likewise was favorable to Bush in exit polls, and it showed in the final results with a clear Bush margin of victory. Pick a state, any state, there is not one single exit poll off by more than a few percentage points in any semi-competitive race. Not one.

Except 2. Ohio and Florida, the latter of which has already been "awarded" to Bush, and the former, which appears to nearly be a lock for him as he is up 3 percentage points with 80 percent of the electorate tallied. George Bush's win in each of these 2 states is nowhere near what exit polls suggest. In Ohio, Kerry had a small but noticeable lead with both male and female voters, a rare thing for him as males have tended to favor Bush in this election by a small margin. Likewise, independent voters clearly broke for Kerry, by a 21 percent margin, 60-39. This is not anywhere near the result we are seeing now, and along with Florida, whom I will get to in a moment, it is a clear and blatant sign of voter fraud. I don't use that most dangerous of "F" words lightly, but I must call a wolf a wolf and a sheep a sheep, and this whole setup stinks like Karl Rove after he's ran 15 feet.

Florida, as opposed to simply trending for Mr. Bush, has already been "awarded" to him by the media, who all glibly fail to mention the fact that the exit polling yet again does not match up with the result. Did I mention a moment ago that this and Ohio are the only examples of the exit polling not matching up? I'm pretty sure I did... According to the final tally (which some claim isn't final due to absentee, but I digress) George Bush has received a whopping 340,000 more votes than John Kerry, running away to a 52-47 victory and grabbing all 27 of Florida's electoral votes in the process. However, there is this matter of the exit polls, which I believe I have mentioned a few times in this article: While Mr. Kerry had 6 percent less support from his party than Mr. Bush did, he scored among woman yet again (54 percent of Florida's electorate) by a 52-48 margin, small but important, while losing men (46 percent of the electorate) 47-52, essentially the same margin. Independents, however, broke heavily for John Kerry, favoring him a staggering 60-38 over Mr. Bush. At the very least, this would suggest a very close race, and certainly not the lopsided blowout it turned out to be.

As Joe Pesci once said, "Something is fishy in Florida."

Ohio too, Joe. Ohio too.


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let's get on top of this DU!

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hello... is anyone else concerned about this BS!?

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Kerry winning Exit Polls - FRAUD LOOKS PROBABLE
Edited on Wed Nov-03-04 12:42 AM by SoCalDemocrat


EDIT:

Analysis of the polling data vs actual data and voting systems supports the hypothesis that evoting may be to blame in the discrepancies. Nevada has evoting but with verified receipts. In that state the Exit Polling matches the actual results within .1% accuracy. However for other swing states Bush has unexplainable leads.

I'm still compiling data. Please help me determine what voting methods are being used in swing states and which are evoting without audit trails. Post your data under the individual state responses below.

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Kerry is well ahead in exit polls, but still losing the counts. WTH is going on?

Kerry is well ahead in Exit Polling in Ohio. We're being screwed.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/O...

Male: 51/49 Kerry 47%
Female: 53/47 Kerry 53%

Dem: 91/8 Kerry 38%
Rep: 94/6 Bush 37%
Ind: 60/39 Kerry 24%



Here is exit polling for Florida (3,824,794 votes for Kerry & Bush)

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/F...

Male: 52/47 Kerry 46%
Female: 52/48 Kerry 54%

Dem: 86/13 Kerry 38%
Rep: 92/7 Bush 39%
Ind: 60/38 Kerry 23%

3,824,794 votes for Kerry & Bush
2065388 Women (54% of total)
1759405 Men (46% of total)

Bush leads male vote by 5% of M = 87970

Kerry leads female vote by 4% of M = 82615

That means Bush is ahead by just 5355 votes in exit polling in FL.

Another odd thing is that there are more Reps then Dems in Florida by 1%, which is not expected. Either there are more voting Republicans in FL than Democrats, a first and not matching known statistics, or more Republicans were exit polled than Democrats. If the exit poll is off by just 1% that's a difference of 382479 more voters who are Democracts.

The results being posted however show Bush ahead 326,000 actual votes. This is simply not possible from the exit polling numbers. Even skewed for a 5% higher Republican vs. Democrat turnout from 2000, it doesn't add up.


WISCONSIN:

Kerry leads Female voters by 7%, Bush leads male voters by 7%. Male vs. Female voter turnout is 47% M, 53% F. That means Kerry statistically has a 7% edge in exit polling in Wisconsin.

Actual results however show Bush ahead by 1%, an unexplained difference of 8%.

NEVADA:

Just checked, same pattern. Kerry leads in the exit polls by a clear margin, but is still behind in the reported results. This state is even closer. Actual is just 1% favor of Bush. Exit polls show Kerry with a wider margin. Women favored Kerry by 8% here out of 52% of total voters. Men favored Bush by just 6% out of 48% of total voters. Actual reported results don't match exit polling AT ALL in Nevada.

*** KERRY leads by 1.3% in exit polls in NV ***



Can someone determine what percentage of precincts are DIEBOLD or electronic voting machines in these swing states? Of those compare the expected voting results from Male vs. Female against the results reported by electronic vs. non-electronic voting places.

My HYPOTHESIS is we will find a discrepancy in the electronic systems vs. the exit polls and the non-electronic systems.

source...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1290765&mesg_id=1290765

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Thanks bpilgrim

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all them lawyers better get BUSY :bounce:

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Chris (xxx posts)

Jeff Greenfield, Wolf Blitzer and Larry King disavowing any affiliation with exit polls. They're backtracking, apologizing, denying any respect for exit polls. Jeff Greenfield, the leader in the exit poll shame squad, said Republicans are angry "at the dynamic that had them all worried and concerned" that exit polls had made them feel they were going to lose the election, when obvously now they see they won. Greenfield saying recriminations coming from Republicans, who saw Colorado and another state, perhaps NM, reversed from the exits that were against them.

Bill Schneider: "The lesson here is put not your faith in exit polls." They've frequently been wrong historically as they are just a sampling.

I always thought the exit polls were hugely accurate, and to me, when there is a big gap between the vote and the exit polling, you have to look more closely at that vote.

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And question the machines rather than just the exit polls? When did our media become so narrow minded? If one person says something, everyone else jumps on board without thinking for themselves.

MOSH through the MARSH!

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and remember AP, CNN and Faux had a hand in the exit polls, so I think you can tack an additional 5-10% on top of the exit polls for Kerry.

by ANY means NECESSARY!

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we need to get to the bottom of this!

shout from the roof tops the system is BROKEN!

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FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. - Voters nationwide reported some 1,100 problems with electronic voting machines on Tuesday, including trouble choosing their intended candidates.


The e-voting glitches reported to the Election Protection Coalition, an umbrella group of volunteer poll monitors that set up a telephone hotline, included malfunctions blamed on everything from power outages to incompetent poll workers.


But there were also several dozen voters in six states — particularly Democrats in Florida — who said the wrong candidates appeared on their touch-screen machine's checkout screen, the coalition said.


In many cases, voters said they intended to select John Kerry (news - web sites) but when the computer asked them to verify the choice it showed them instead opting for President Bush (news - web sites), the group said.

more...
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&ncid=696&e=7&u=/ap/20041103/ap_on_el_pr/eln_electronic_voting

source...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x954073

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this needs to get out!

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Especially if the 4-5% are mostly in precincts with paperless eVoting.

If that's the case, we have a right to smell a rat.

and we need the totals for each canidate by state NOT the demographics.

wasn't ap responcible for them... have they been scrubed already.

all those lawyers better start earning their keep, damnit!

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keep this kicked until we get these stats!

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Networks Cautious With Rebuilt Exit Poll



So begins the attempt to gloss over their BULLSHIT!!!

NEW YORK - Burned by their blown calls in the 2000 election, television networks were determined not to make the same mistake again Wednesday and left President Bush (news - web sites) on the brink of victory — but not quite there.

Meanwhile, there were concerns among television executives about early exit polls that indicated John Kerry would do much better than he appeared to be faring as actual vote counts came in.

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ABC's Terry Moran raised the possibility of a high-stakes game of chicken. He said the White House appeared irritated that none of the networks were declaring Bush the winner.


"Essentially what is holding things up is the president and his team is waiting for him to be declared the winner by us," he said.

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complete story here
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041103/ap_on_en_tv/eln_tv_review

Looks to me like they're trying to discredit us. It DAMN WELL better not work!

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and pass the word

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what is being hidden from us :shrug:

i'm sure my teeVee will tell me what happened.

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