I want to say something about John Kerry...

even though he lost, I still think he was a fine candidate, and I believe he put up a good fight. I dont think he failed us, in the coming days we can analyze the vote and see who DID and who DIDNT in the end. Rove and his Goebbels style tactics work, they have been tested, they get genocidal maniacs elected, its not something we can write off, hence is why I think what carried it was just the shear ignorance and narrow mindedness of the population of this country, and JK is too intelligent and statesman to stoop to their level.

If he only had one fault, it was that he was too good.

We just have an over abundance of stupid fools in the south.

I have to agree. Too many stupid people around here. I deal with them on a daily basis. Sometimes I just want to slap them. Yesterday I was in a car with two of them quoting crap about Kerry. I asked what channel they watched for their news. They both said Fox. Nuff said.

And Florida is NOT a typical red state. I understand your general point, but is one more post bashing southerners really necessary?

Southern and southwestern Ohio is more like Kentucky or West Virginia. The same thing can be said for Illinois.

In Michigan, the north and west is extremely conservative, but the far east, southeast and far south is dominated by urban/suburban areas with not as many fundamentalist Christians.

that a lot of northeastern states only went to Kerry by a relatively small margin.

the PNAC is our reality
silent scream

at least in my opinion. We missed a chance to elect two highly intelligent, engaged, astute, and forward thinking people. To our detriment.

when he endorsed Dean. "Kerry hasn't excited anyone."

by John Kerry. Yes, Kerry did not have the same style as Dean, perhaps to his disadvantage. But recall that Dean lost in the primaries.

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Were you energized for Kerry or were you energised against Bush and transferred the emotion to Kerry as your best/only option against Bush??

I have to admit that Dean was more of a fire-and-brimstone guy that got me jazzed but Kerry had a quiet strength that I respected.

I did and continue to dislike Bush. I did not, however, like Kerry because he wasn't Bush. I also didn't agree with Kerry on every issue but I appreciated his points of view nevertheless.

He won re-election again and is an able Congressman. He was right I was just getting caught up with this Dean guy when he was outdone. The Democratic primary BS is too long and allows too many people. Dean would have probably bested Kerry if we weren't so screwed up. One big problem is why the f--k do we let the Republicans go second in having a faux convention? Why? Why even have a convention all it is, is a party for some connected party hacks. I remember the days of Shirley Chisholm, Congresswoman who breathed life into our national discourse. I think today we try to be Hollywood instead of the smokey room.Thats not the Democratics I grew up with.

he's betrayed us

sufficient support from the AMERICAN PEOPLE to overwhelm a CORRUPT MACHINE. Think about it.

Being from the south, I knew very little about him. The more I saw, the more I was impressed.

I believe in years to come we will be uncovering a great deal of dirty dealings that went on yesterday. People were wrongly turned away from voting in New Orleans. The court ruled they could not hold the polls open to allow them to come back and vote. Now, stop and think about it - the GOP had plans to stop Democratic voters from getting into the voting booth in Louisiana. To me, that suggests that they were cheating and stealing in every state, not just the close or the battlefields.

You'll have trouble convincing me that Kerry lost a fair fight.

Big fat theft! I think they stole it again.

And he may be privy to info we dont have.

to fight hard to get him elected. Even Clinton didn't do that.
He compelled me to give time, donate, cheer, debate, and change minds.
He knows these people will sacrifice everything WE hold dear in order to gain a mere 4 more years, and he knows there is more than one way to hold bush to account. Even if he did win, what would he have won?
With a repug congress what would really be accomplished? These monsters would vote down a miracle cure for cancer that costs nothing just because they would be so bitter for losing the pres. spot. Gov would be deadlocked and nothing would happen, and something needs to happen!

An honorable man up against a lying cheating bastard who is willing to do anything it takes to win.

It is sad. God help America.

for the last four years back into a job he is obviously not suited for.

I know some people want to blame media brainwashing but I don't think that excuse washes.

The people that voted for Bush knew his reason for the war in Iraq. They knew he was after the oil and they didn't care. They're only concerned with filling up their SUV's and didn't care about killing innocent people and stealing something that doesn't belong to them.

They claim they want a moral president yet vote for a man and a party who is closely tied to at least half a dozen corporate scandals.

They claim they want a fiscally responsible conservative and voted for a man that is well on his way to bankrupting the country.

They find him "trustworthy".

These two faced unscrupulous morons are going to get exactly what they voted for. Miserable Failure!

1. The elite were planning on selecting a person THEY wanted to accomplish their goals.
2. Dean came and started getting too much support.
3. The media killed dean. The scream was just to finish him off.
4. Kerry came and THREW the election.

Yes people - 4 is what happened. I kept quiet in the hopes I was wrong but

A. Vacation time during the election when we KNEW every single vote counted? WTF?

B. "Somehow" winning the primary despite damn near EVERY POLL NOT reflecting that? Despite the fact I was involved with EVERY campaign here - and kerry had NOTHING going on compared to dean, or hell, even kucinich. Let's keep in mind those primary elections can be rigged just as well as general elections. Probably even easier as not as many people are watching. Rove could have selected our candidate FOR us. If they can rig a general election they can do a primary.

C. The concession is what makes it abundantly clear. We were fu**ed once again by the elite. It was all for fu**ing show.

D. After Dean went down I noticed something. SO MANY PEOPLE who I knew that were NEVER interested in politics before who had become VERY active all of a sudden lost interest. Kerry was Rove's solution to that little problem.

He is an acceptable dem (compared to certain others), but frankly he was not the right choice.

especially with Florida not won by Bush yet.

Democracy cannot be left up to the little people.

The Ivied-elite who work in each other's best interests to maintain the status quo, and without us being ground under their shoes, they would have nothing to rule over.

That the majority of elected officials in the House and Senate are millionaires (or close to it) says something. The common man and his/her interests mean nothing to these people. They throw us crumbs - or candidates who hint they might give us a whole cracker once in awhile instead of crumbs - to keep us happily (but controllably) participating in the system.

We were used, people. Class warfare anyone ??


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I don't buy it.

during the night, he saw a lot of folks ready to cash it in at the first sign of trouble. He saw a lot of gloomy posts.

What happened to "I got Your Back."

With the right campaign, Mike Tyson could've beaten Bush.

Thank God Maryland is Liberal! I'm proud as can be of my state - it is awesome! Even if you live in a Blue State go out and put a sign on our house or car today and tell the world you are a PROUD LIBERAL! You will feel like a million!

That single vote, more than any other, nailed the lid shut on 2004. It was "Damned if you do and damned if you don't."

Clearly, there are many other factors ... the abysmal dumbing down of people by their churches, the media, and their crippled schools ... the corruption and fraud in the electoral process ... the 'ownership' of America (a dollar = a share in America, Inc.) ... the appalling cowardice and the propaganda of fear ... all of these are more than enough.

But the "Iraq War Resolution" was a Profile in Cowardice and Corruption ... orders of magnitude worse than the Tonkin Gulf Resolution. Not only does such an action by the legislature violate the Constitution, it successfully fragmented the left. It obliterated it.

Here's a key paragraph from the IWR ...

Whereas Iraq both poses a continuing threat to the national security of the United States and international peace and security in the Persian Gulf region and remains in material and unacceptable breach of its international obligations by, among other things, continuing to possess and develop a significant chemical and biological weapons capability, actively seeking a nuclear weapons capability, and supporting and harboring terrorist organizations; Whereas Iraq persists in violating resolution of the United Nations Security Council by continuing to engage in brutal repression of its civilian population thereby threatening international peace and security in the region, by refusing to release, repatriate, or account for non-Iraqi citizens wrongfully detained by Iraq, including an American serviceman, and by failing to return property wrongfully seized by Iraq from Kuwait;

In this paragraph, every Senator and Congressman who voted for it compounded the BIG LIE!! Nonetheless, the (so-called) 'left' deemed any Senator and Congressman who voted against it as "unelectable."

When the 'left' regards the truth as irrevocably "unelectable," that 'left' is complicit in their own demise.

I would follow him into a burning building.

What part of that didn't you understand? Follow implies he's in front.

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buck up buckie! I think they did all they could do.

and to bush? hey, half the American population still thinks you SUCK!

EVERY SINGLE THING BUSH DOES WRONG IS GOING TO BE AMPLIFIED BY US

We will harp, remind, and scream at the top of our lungs EVERY single thing you screw up on, bush. Hell, even if it is only partly your fault. YOU get to take the blame.

John Kerry has more class in his toenail than bush will ever EVER have.

and I said to my wife mayby if he'd made a few more speeches like that he might have won this thing. On a lighter note I'm listening to the Don and Mike Show and they are gypping the President's speech and while Cheney is speaking they are playing the Darth Vader theme from Star Wars.

I blame the voters. They picked fear over hope.

Kerry ran a great campaign .

sadly true.