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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 03:39 PM
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Don't go hatin' on Kerry now

I know a lot of folks are upset, angry, disappointed and feeling all kinds of negative emotions today. I am too.

John Kerry had the unenviable job of trying to tell the truth, the UGLY truth to a nation made up of too many people that simply WOULD NOT HEAR IT. Wouldn't listen, wouldn't have it. They had their little stick on flags and "W-04" stickers on their SUV's and by God that's the way "patriotism" was going to be for them. This includes a lot of "Dems" I know too.

I know firsthand what it is like trying to tell someone something that they simply do not want to hear, truth or not. I have been married to my wife for 13 years now and I love her as much as the day we got married, but damn. If she doesn't want to hear something, no amount of reason ca get through to her(not from me, anyway). She'll usually come around later, usually after consequences drive home the point I was trying to make with her.

No sir, I'm not going to fault John Kerry. He put on a great campaign, handed the Chimp his ass in the debate and the numbers in the popular vote show it. He did all he could, there are just too many out there that refuse to believe the naked truth. That's not JK's fault.
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 03:41 PM
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1. I love Kerry.
I don't blame him, I blame the stupid 51% of voters.
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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 03:43 PM
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2. that's the spirit

keep up the good fight!
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moez Donating Member (638 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 03:44 PM
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3. Sorry....
Kerry fucked up, then bailed.

He ignored the south, ignored the midwest, ignored North Carolina, and then he got ignored....

We got hosed...
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 03:49 PM
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4. Bs,. I do't hate him, but I am extremely dissapointed that he took
money from so many supporters, many who have not the billions that he and family have and squandered it by conceding what was essentially the most important election of our lifetime....

If he could not handle the heat, he should not have entered the fire....He better have a back up plan in the works that we do not know about in order to oust the major criminal element that rules our nation in these heartbreaking times...

If not, my first impression of him had been right all along...Edwards would have fought, of this I have no doubt, this early conceding was nothing short of a slap in our faces...
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quispquake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 03:53 PM
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5. I completely agree...
The concession is why I'm pissed...how DARE he concede to these criminals??? After all the time & money millions put into this campaign, the least he could do is keep his promise and fight 'until the last vote is counted'...conceding while over a million votes in Florida and close to a quarter million in Ohio haven't been counted is a slap in the face to every Dem who has put their time/money/emotions into this race.

I lost all respect for Kerry.
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 03:59 PM
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9. He will only redeem himself if he is working behind the scenes
to put these criminals behind bars where they deserve to be. If too much time goes by, I will liken him to an underground freeper who was on the ticket for nothing more than to allow those theives to steal another election...

He owes us all, he promised to fight for us, now is the time to show us if what he repeated over and over again held any merit at all, I even got into an argument from a very good friend today who said Kerry did the noble thing...

Noble my ass, it was downright pathetic and I am not impressed by the little show of choked up emotion we were subject to....
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Was_Immer Donating Member (676 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 03:57 PM
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7. I gave my f**king monthly morgage payment and gave it to him
I skipped one months morgage payment and donated it to him. Now I feel like crap with this loss.
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59millionmorons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 04:02 PM
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12. If you really donated a morgage payment
You should feel like crap.
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 04:02 PM
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13. If he had the style and class so many believe him to have, he
will read this thread, this fight is not OVER! The media is going on about how we are leaderless now? This is beyond the pale, how dare he not stand up and take the faith we had in him serious enough to face the enemy when the real fight began....

I am very sorry for your loss honestly, I know many who did the very same thing you did, this is not a period of time in this great nation that we can ever be proud of..;-(
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sonias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 03:55 PM
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6. I don't hate Kerry, I love him
Very classy and patriotic American. He fought the good honest fight.

I still hate bu$h and the right wing though.

Sonia
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geekgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 03:58 PM
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8. I don't hate him I am disappointed- he promised he would fight!!
where are the lawyers- what about the legal fund?

what about making sure all our votes are counted?

Why did he give up????
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AgadorSparticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 04:00 PM
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10. you're right. i was VERY ANGRY with him earlier but i'm calming down
now and i'm understanding that he fought as hard as he could. maybe he is still fighting behind the scenes, i don't know. but either way, he was under the fire and i think he did exceptionally well considering how dirty and nasty the RWers got. i'm not sure many men would be standing so tall and unscathed as he is now. there is no doubt in my mind we chose the right candidate. i have no regrets whatsoever on my volunteer time, the money i donated, the number of people i talked to pushing for kerry. it has been completely worth it. i did my best.
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5thGenDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 04:02 PM
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11. I'm not mad at Kerry or, really, the Democratic Party
Edited on Wed Nov-03-04 04:04 PM by 5thGenDemocrat
I think we gave it the best run we had in us and are now shocked to discover that there are a whole lot of stupid, ignorant, war-mongering, bible-thumping KKKristian KKKrispies out there.
My state (Michigan) went blue but, like in the midterms, the rest of the country went for the Fourth Reich. My method of dealing with the admitted disappointment this afternoon is summed up by the sig line I carried here for a long time: "Resident of Saginaw, Citizen of Michigan, subject of the United States."
My American flag has come in for the next four years -- I have a very nice Michigan flag which works better for me, as well as a Maple Leaf flag I can fly on Canadian national holidays.
Saginaw already has an Ontario Hockey League franchise and three Tim Horton's doughnut shops. We are located less than two hours from the border crossings at Sarnia and Windsor. You can drink Molson's or Labatt's for a little LESS than Budweiser here.
And one of every four white Michiganians has at least one Canadian ancestor/relative. We don't think "eh" sounds particularly foreign. All the folks who grew up around the Great Lakes share their history.
Anyhow, my Blue America and the larger Red America are two different things to me beginning today.
I've seceeded, intellectually. I no longer give a good damn about what happens to the people in the red states. They voted for war and unemployment and Jumping Jesus and they deserve what is going to happen next. Just keep Michigan and the rest of us blue folk out of it.
I do not believe in this (gag) elected administration. And I intend to continue to do what I can to besmerch, hamper and embarrass it -- just as I was on Monday.
John
The Revolution starts between your ears, you know.

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Spirochete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 04:04 PM
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14. Conceding so early IS his fault
He promised all the votes would be counted. Some people on this board, and many other places bet everything on him. People stood in lines for hours and hours to cast a vote, assuming it would be counted. They deserved more of a fight than that, I think.
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 04:10 PM
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15. EXACTLY, what about all those people who stood in line for hours
in the cold wet conditions that covered Ohio yesterday. I appologize to these heroic individuals who lost time and money from work or whatever to give all they had...

How dare Kerry say right now that the selected pretender will enforce true values upon our nation in the coming years? I just heard that! I am more than shocked, I am sick, the pretender had four years to prove his worth and he did nothing...

What a croc!
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 04:22 PM
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20. He said that?
:wow: Does he forget who he is talking to? He knows that isn't true and he knows we all know that isn't true! He could have said anything but that. Why did he have to give any validity to the chimp's "win"? I can't believe he said that.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 04:10 PM
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16. Conceding was wrong,
but Kerry ran a great campaign, and he is a great man. Until this morning, he was not a wimp. If we rally around Kerry, we can be united in facing the Republicans over the next four years. We have to be organized to constantly alert everyone we know to the wrongdoing of the Republicans. Hopefully, Kerry will continue to speak for us, unite us and work with us. We need to campaign every day over the next four years to build a bigger Democratic party.
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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 04:10 PM
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17. conceding doesn't mean they won't

I believe it is his way of showing some class, something that the Chimperor will never have. But I think he sees the writing on the wall. There are simply too many frightened people in this country that can't be reached by reason now.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 04:14 PM
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18. I don't hate Kerry
And I was behind him all the way until he conceded. I thought he said he was going to fight and that all the votes would be counted. The next thing I hear is that he has called the chimp and conceded. I think we have a right to be disappointed in him.
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Anarcho-Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 04:22 PM
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19. I felt the same way at first
People are now wondering if it's all rope-a-dope (see thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=2584338&mesg_id=2584338 )

It's going to be at least 11 days until we know what the situation is in Ohio (provisional ballots and such). Something might happen that could turn the situation on it's head. What that could be, I don't know.
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MISSDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 04:26 PM
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21. Please. The votes still get counted and if Kerry wins
after all and bush doesn't challenge it then Kerry wins.
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