Al Franken talked to some guy from conservative think tank who said...

the large majority of Bush supporters are delusional. Yes, a conservative Repub. said that this morning...that Bush people are totally believing the lies and deceptions and are ignorant to the truth. So, we need to work even harder on telling the truth over and over again until some of them get it through their narrow minds...

Then check off the list as I TOLD YOU SO

Read George Lakoff's "Don't Think of an Elephant." We need to help people to think differently.

NGU.

Hopefully Americans will wake the hell up.

Maybe it will take a draft or a stock market crash or a complete theocracy, but we'll touch a nerve someday. I just wish we weren't also paying the price.

A dangerously high percentage, yes, but not nearly a majority.

that the ball was in HER court now and that her people (non-neo-con) had to fix it because there we on the left have no political capital right now.

We've seen so much on this board about "my Republican friend said he/she is voting for Kerry" We've got to keep up with these folks and help them pull their own party back from the brink.

Then we kick their asses.

keep up with YOUR MODERATE REPUBLICAN contacts

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OK, OK we know they stole it.

We also know that this is next to impossible to prove

Now first let me say this, I no longer trust the voting system in the United States...

That said....

Here are the things that need to go to the top of our agenda:

1. Work as hard as we can to get rid of ANY and ALL electronic machines, we need pen and paper, old fashioned yes, can boxes be stuffed? Yes, but at least it would be easier to actually prove.

2. Change the message, STOP THE BLAME GAME RIGHT NOW, it does not matter whether we ran Dennis Kucinich or Attilla the Hun, the fix was in, and we all know it. But still we need to change the message, and RECRUIT the religious LEFT ... activism on that side is almost dead.

3. We need to get the House back in 2006... I know, I know gerrymandering and all that will make it close to impossible

4.- This will make us getting the vote out harder in years to come ... you know why, I know why ... none of us trusts the fucking system any longer ... now this also takes legitimacy away from this Presidency and the system

5.- Time for all of us to adopt the 11th commandment, though shall not talk evil of your fellow Democrats, Progresives et al.

6. Party discipline, yep I know we hate the single mindlessly of the Republicans, but they have party discipline. We need it

7. They want us to drop the towel and go home. We do that, THEY WIN ... are you willing to let them win? IF you do, please stop reading now.

8. Thank the party for doing the best they could ... remember they cannot challenge this ... NO RECORD.

9. Extend a hand to MODERATE Republicans, they are as outraged as we are. They won't say it, but they are. We may all hate Bushannan, but he is a good example of this kind of Republican, the pale conservative that hates what the Fundies have done, as well as the Neo Cons ... we may have to work with them to retake the country.

10. Stop wasting your time with the funds and freezers, they will NOT get it ... at least not until they suffer the consequences of what they have unleashed.

11. We know that sooner or late terror will touch these shores again, We know that, when it happens AVOID saying "we deserved it," Look whether you believe that or not, that is the worst you can all say.

12. And this is to the freepers. You made your own bed on your so called morals ... what this is about to unleash in this country WILL TOUCH YOU TOO. I surely hope this wakes you up.... but don't expect me to cry for you ... or even care what happens to you. You did this to yourself culture warrior, don't expect a helping hand from me. I am done caring for yuo, and I know you'd rather see me dead.

on the other side that feel left out. use them to our advantage. run repugs in those states that we are solid repug. not all repugs are fundies. the repugs do it us all the time, in those states that lean dem, they run moderate dems, with a repug label. why can't we do it.

Dean, needs to run the DNC. no more party hacks.

Nah... They've already gone over the edge. The lemmings are jumping. There's nothing left but the crying now.

Our public education system is clearly failing to teach citizenship. The reason our founders adopoted public education was to create and maintain an informed electorate. It is not working. The mission of education now seems to be to create a working widget for the man.

Until that info comes from CNN- we are still considered delusional.

and yes, it might have been rude, but oh, so true:

You had Walmart trailer trash who are unemployed, with no health insurance voting for bush. And not even knowing that bush and his cronies are bending them over backwards and you-know-what.

phenomenon called "What's the Matter with Kansas" What it comes down to is that these people don't equate liberals and democrats with social justice, rather they see us as being minions of "Hollywood elites." They see our secularism as a religion in itself. And, they believe we are trying to shove our "religion" down their throats.

These people have little or nothing except their religion. They therefore become quite hostile when they preceive that we want to take away that too. True or not, it doesn't matter. What matters, is this is how they see us.

Cheney lie continually but the press takes it as just standard course for them. Shame! Shame on all of them and the sheep that blindly follow!

if bushco/GOP is proven wrong. It IS psychological. Even the poor and disadvantaged people voted against their own interests because it gave them the illusion of power. In society, they are powerless, except for their religion and their vote. We MUST define the debates to appeal to them, to give them the feeling of power that the repugs offer them thru religious issues. Heaven knows, the repugs offer them nothing else except religious issues, so that's what we must do. We must deflate the idea that we are intellectual/cultural elitists, because every time they vote, they think they are voting against our religion. Why can't we couch the Dem ideals and values in "values" language? Instead of leaving the religious community, as so many of us have done, we need to get back into it----at least the ones who really do still believe---that can't be me----and hijack Christianity back to the mainstream by redefining the language they will understand and relate to.

and they're the ones I'm concentratin' on." Of course having his supporters watch faux news doesn't hurt either.

When an issue comes up - - like say an environmental issue - - that either the bushes or the media is misrepresenting, I will print out small labels (address labels) and stick them everywhere with a quick true fact.

If you can't do labels, use plain paper and scotch tape.

If the media won't tell people the truth, at least I can, and I hope you will, too.

Let's start educating people now.