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tjwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 07:28 PM
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Thank you Southern DUers, for all you have done.
We out here in California forget that we have a large democratic base to work with here in the first place. DU'ers in the red south have to put up with amazing amounts of resistance, and a lot of them are extremely active, trying to get the vote to swing our way. Not to mention they have to put up with crazy bubbas shooting holes in their signs and houses because the brainwashed idiots "don't want no damn commie living next door to me."

I rather admire anyone who could be politically active there.

Cheers to you southern DU'ers, and a huge thanks from the bottom of this Californians heart.

:toast:
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Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 07:29 PM
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1. We almost GOT my Arkansas ...
It was close.
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sandersadu Donating Member (213 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 07:29 PM
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2. Agreed
Would have been better if Kerry had actually *included* Southern folks, working folks, blacks into his campaign, instead of *outreach*.

See when you include people in the process you may actually learn something.
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tjwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 07:32 PM
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4. I heard that a lot of the southern black vote went for Bush, is this true?
nt
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Cinletharwi Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 09:10 PM
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24. It's the Religion thing
Even someone as anti-democratic as Bush is a-ok as long as he's "God's Man"

I wouldn't be surprised if he got a small number of Black votes in the south based on the religious issues, though I haven't heard of anything about "a lot".

/MS
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wanpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 07:47 PM
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8. I agree totally
the campaign lacked the diversity that would have created more ownership in the election. This is a mandate for the future of this party. Also, we've got to do away with the "all or nothing" electoral college.
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tjwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 07:51 PM
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11. The EC sucks.
It's an outdated system that has never been representative of the voting populace. Don't look for it to get scrapped anytime soon though.
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wanpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 07:58 PM
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13. absolutely! and it's very demoralizing to vote in a state that doesn't
match your color, for dems and repubs. Everyone's voice should be heard through their one vote. I live in GA and they called GA at 7:00 p.m. on the dot while many were still waiting in line because we are such a "red state". This is inherently unfair and detrimental to democracy. Many dejected dems here today wondered aloud about the need for voting since our state is so red. This is a real problem.
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dogtag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 07:30 PM
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3. I second that, from the botton of my shriveled CA heart.
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tibbir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 07:34 PM
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5. I never had any hope for Texas,
so I spent 5 hours this weekend calling people up in Cinncinnati trying to get the vote out. They'd been called to death but I did have some good conversations and arranged for one woman to be driven to the polls.

It felt good to at least try to do something.
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lickybush04 Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 07:59 PM
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14. One of the most disturbing
results to me was Pennsylvania and New Jersey. In that, Bush seems to have made inroads into what were previously solid blue states. Gore won these by double digits in 2000 check the results this year.

I cannot tell you how dangerous it would be for conservatives to establish any sort northeastern state stronghold. Since we have virtually no chance of winning any bush states, right wingers would have no trouble winning the presidency.

The danger we face as a party is that while Bush seems to be expanding the republican influence we dont seem to be changing any minds anywhere. This is very worrisome to me. How do we expand our constituency?
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tjwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 08:05 PM
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18. Kerry ran a shit campaign.
Flame me all you want for that, but he went all Dukakis on us, posing for all those stupid pictures, refusing to challenge shrub on the swift boats stuff, refusing to nip the Catholic Church thing off in the bud, etc. He was (pardon the sports analogy) playing not to lose, and not to win.

To answer James Carvilles question from last night, that's why he handed shrubs ass to him on all three debates, and still lost the election. The average American does not watch debates.
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lickybush04 Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 08:22 PM
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21. Come on...
This is what I heard in the analysis all day and quite frankly I am starting to look inward a little.

Look to what you just wrote " The average American does not watch debates."

The debates were some of the highest rated ever and they werent all being watched by democrats.

The assumption that our opponents or average americans are not smart is the absolutely wrong starting point. We have got to stop this elitist know-it-all BS.

How many conservatives do you know. How many practising christians do you know? I dont know any...so my opinion has always been seriously skewed.
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AldebTX Donating Member (739 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 08:59 PM
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23. I donated to Dem campaigns in states...
Edited on Wed Nov-03-04 09:00 PM by AldebTX
that had a chance. (in Fla and NC) With our lovely redistricting here in Texas there was little hope of any real gains. I was at least glad to hear they were only 4 of 5 on the newly drawn districts and not 5 for 5 in the house races here.
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 07:38 PM
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6. thanks for that...
It's pretty depressing around here a lot of the time. No matter how much you put out in this state, the rednecks and sharks always seem to win.

At least we still have a Dem Governor!
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 07:40 PM
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7. Thanks, we Democratic Georgians tried, but we lost.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 07:49 PM
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9. I thought my one vote in Louisiana was going to turn things around....
but alas... it was not to be..... :(
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crickets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 07:53 PM
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12. Yes we did
What kills me is that with the voting machines, if there is a change of heart that starts swinging the numbers blue somewhere down the line, we'll never know about it. The truth will be locked in the black box. It's frustrating. The fight against electronic voting must continue.
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tjwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 08:00 PM
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15. I know, didn't the CEO of Diebold guarantee Ohio to shrub?
nt
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doni_georgia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 08:02 PM
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17. Yeah RebelOne - we're down but not out
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 07:50 PM
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10. Well said. It must be hard to be among those wackos in the south
Cheers!!!
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doni_georgia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 08:01 PM
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16. We've got a hell of a lot of work to do here in GA, but I'm always up for
a challenge. Thanks for the encouragement and support. Not easy being a liberal in the south, but I don't know how to be anything else.

:toast:
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AnnInLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 08:09 PM
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19. De nada....gracias.
thanks....it's hard weeerk someime. When I checked in here on DU this morning, I was amazed at the many DUers who were cursing this country, cursing the people of this country, cursing Kerry and even their fellow Duers. If we, in the South, can continue to work for the Progressive Movement against these odds, so can all the others who don't live here in bubba-land.

I must admit I cursed at some fellow DUers this morning too, DUers who were putting down Kerry and America...I now apologize if I cursed you, that's not really me.
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tjwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 08:12 PM
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20. Everyone was irked this morning...
...but that was to be expected all things considered. We all love each other though!:hug:
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shayes51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 08:55 PM
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22. Thanks.
Sometimes I hate living here.
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