Are "there are still more of us than there are of them"?

Randi just said that "there are still more of us than there are of them".

That's what I've always believed. After reading/hearing about some of the voting patterns, I wonder if that's true.

In a class based electorate Dems were in the majority because they represented and were voted into office by the poorest (and largest block) of voters.

If the "moral values" (vote the bible) wedge issues have had the Rovian desired effect, the poorest are likely Christian voters who will vote their Bible rather than their pocketbook.

If that's true, then the claim that "there are still more of us than there are of them" is now shattered.

What do you think?

They are scared of by words like "liberal" and "progressive" because they don't really know what they mean. They just think it must be something bad.

non-tinfoil hat theory anyway.

I know several people here in NYC that didn't bother to vote because what the heck, the city and state were going blue anyway. I suspect that in a lot of "safe" states, that was the case. On the other hand, a lot of red states had ballot initiatives against gay marriage, so while they may have felt the same way about their vote vis-a-vis the presidential election, they came out to vote their hate.

I haven't seen figures for eligible voter/actual voter turnout for NY or other blue states, but I think that is where that 3 million margin is coming from.

Even in a so called "swing" state with a strong hispanic community and a big anti-hispanic measure (Prop 200) on the ballot.

What does that say?

When the fundie ox is gored, then we'll see some revolution. Experience is a dear teacher, but some people will learn no other way. Those that are still alive after Bush has finished screwing them over, that is.

only about 60% of all eligible voters voted.

Rove scared as many right-wing fundies into voting for Bush as he could. Bush got his "mandate" from right-wing extremists and ignorant assholes who vote strict party line. They had the maximum number of their supporters all fired up.

Lots of liberals, progressives, moderates, and especially young people didn't vote. Lots of poor people didn't vote. Lots of people are too busy with bringing food on the table to care about elections. I think we weren't able to fire up those people. Some people just don't breathe politics.

If we would have the same "moral values" as Bush and Rove, we would have lied our ass off to scare them into voting for Kerry...just making shit up. I guess our "moral values" aren't "high" enough to misrepresent, lie, steal, and cheat. We'll never be as good with that as the Republicans.

Most just aren't old/motivated enough to vote. We might have to wait until the baby-boomers die off.

If we stopped being so determined to separate church and state, and let a bit more of OUR brand of Christian values seep into our politics, we would probably win back most Christian women.

We DO have Christian values. We believe in helping the poor, the sick, the hungry. We try to let God do the judging instead of doing it ourselves. For the most part, we turn the other cheek, we do not believe in killing innocents in war.

Many of us are active in our churches. But we tend to be Quaker instead of Baptist. Lutheran and Episcopalian instead of Presbytarian. And definitely NOT Jehovah's Witnesses (they don't vote anyway...)

So, until we reach back to claim the Christians who demonstrate their faith through good works, we're in trouble as a party. But as soon as we do this, we're on top again.

Only 29% of Americans think America is a Christian nation.
54% think promoting religion always harms rights.
80% think big companies have too much influence on government.
only 36% think government regulations go to far, 59% say not far enough
61% think corruption in business is widespread
Only 20% thought tax cuts were the right thing to do with the surplus, 56% thought the tax cuts would harm their family's situation.
65% think federal spending on education should be increased.
66% would be willing to increase their taxes to help inner city schools.
62% think the government should do more to protect the environment.