Any major media sources yet reporting on Diebold fraud?

Help!!! I'm having a bitter, loud, VERBAL argument with someone about these bogus election results.

I've been so despondant about what happened that I haven't even been able to log on here since before the election results started rolling in.

But I'm trying to explain to the person that I'm arguing with that I believe there was tampering with the Diebold system to favor Bush.

What they want is for me to show them any article that speculates this may have happened, by anyone other than a blog, or a left leaning publication.

*** Is there anything out yet that seriously questions these results that I can refer them to? Any major media sources at all?

If there is nothing yet on any of the major news sources (aside from blogs, etc.) I'm guessing that it's just too early into the investigation to see the articles start rolling out? Is this the case??

Are we compiling articles and keeping them all in ONE place anywhere on this forum about possible Diebold fraud? If so, can someone point me to the post?

I seriously believe that the results were switched myself. I just want to know if ANYONE on the web -- any of the major news sources -- has articles yet about upcoming investigations??

Bush is glowing with happiness and boasting about the numbers that I feel were actually cast for Kerry.

PLEASE.. are there ANY articles yet about Diebold and fraud in this presidential election?

Thanks guys.

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/

ON EDIT: Also try a Google news search on Diebold. That should get you any major media articles out there.

The legitimacy of democratic elections is predicated upon the electorate's ability to verify the results. This is only possible with a ballot which leaves a permanent record. Indeed, The history of democratic voting in America is a history of ballot recounts and the ability to conduct them. To deny any candidate the option of a recount is I believe directly contrary to the democratic principles upon which this nation was founded.

Electronic (bbv) voting or any ballot that cannot be physically verified or interrogated is no different than a vote by someone with no verifiable name or residence. It's like making a bank deposit with no receipt and for which the institution retains no hard copy of the transaction. If it's not good enough for our financial transactions, it's not good enough for our elections.

Yet, this was the voting method used in about 1/4th of US precincts including 7 counties in Ohio. At best, such systems are an open invitation to voting fraud by whichever political party controls the state voting machinery.

The presumed results of this election are suspicious given the following facts: No incumbent President whose approval rating was less than 50% just prior to voting has been reelected except GW Bush; hundreds of polls by dozens of organizations found the candidates in a dead heat with no evidence of a break for either, yet now Bush has a large popular vote "bump." Despite criticism, exit polls are the most accurate polls and they clearly showed Kerry leading comfortably in 9 states. As of this writing, the voting tallies very closely match the exit polls except in four states (OH, FL, NH, NC). All four use electronic machines or multiple methods, and not one but four different exit polls were done in OH and FL.

Clearly, the grassroots turnout especially of the religious vote helped George Bush. But I suspect that the electronic voting machine's unexplained 5% vote boost for Bush in OH and Florida was pivotal. Instead of propagating myth of a Bush "mandate," perhaps the media should focus on why America needs to rid itself of our balkanized mess of voting systems and forever eliminate any system that does not leave a permanent voting record thereby depriving the public of a full accounting and verification of the results.

..and I know that Karl Rove knows, and that DICK head Cheney knows, and that most of all ---- Wally Diebold knows.

I want so desperately for someone who was an insider in all of this to step forward and share with the United States and the world the truth of what they did, and how they did it.

We ALL KNOW that this was an extremely well-plotted SCAM and that nothing - - - NOTHING adds up.

I can't stomach to turn on the news and haven't watched it since they declared Bush had won Ohio by a huge margin late Tuesday night.

The truth of how this was able to happen ---HAS--- to be exposed. We can't let them do this to us again!

I'll go and read that article on blackbox voting now. And will continue to hope and pray that thousands of investigators, attorneys, computer experts, and whoever else it takes... are going to be able to blow the doors off of this LIE.

Thanks again for the help guys..

System Error...

HYATTSVILLE, November 2—Maryland election officials have been saying for months that the Diebold voting machines—AccuVote—are safe and reliable. Although California's Secretary of State argued this summer that the voting machines are susceptible to hackers, and prone to system errors—which led to the machines being disallowed in California elections—Maryland has firmly, and rather arrogantly ignored the potential risk of voter disenfranchisement.

http://www.thesentinel.com/287451665490517.php

give it a couple of days for michael moore's video tapes to be made public

Presidential Election: Exit polls and ‘actual’ results don’t match; Evoting states show greater discrepancy

http://www.ilcaonline.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=904&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0

YES-- here are some links:

<http://www.motherjones.com/news/hellraiser/2004/05/04_403.html>
<http://www.motherjones.com/commentary/columns/2004/03/03_200.html>
<http://www.tompaine.com/articles/voter_suppression_rap_sheet.php>
<http://www.blackboxvoting.org/>
<http://www.buzzflash.com/premiums/blackboxvoting.html>
<http://www.wheresthepaper.org/BBV_GEMSreport.htm>

This should get you started. There are four operatives, Diebold and SAIC being two of them-- and they're all owned and run by Republicans. And, interestingly enough, they're used in precincts that have heavy Democratic turn-out and they utilized them in Ohio and Florida this year-- again. I don't know the exact figure, but something like 9 million people cast their votes on these machines a few days ago.

Easiest thing in the world to rig these machines-- and they obviously were.

ailsa

..for those articles.

Call me crazy.. but I keep thinking that America is just too smart not to get to the bottom of this one.

How could we have EVER approved the LIE-bold paperless machines in the first place?

Why did the lawsuits to have printers installed never go anywhere?

Why is it that they ensured Bush would wind up with a larger approval rating than Clinton?

Why is the press pushing the bogus story that the entire U.S. voted on "morals" at the last minute?

Why was every single exit poll in the battleground states Bush won DEAD WRONG?

Why did every poll in the U.S. indicate that Americans thought things were going in the wrong direction?

How could Bush's approval ratings go from 47, then to 48 within days, then to 51 a day later, to finally winning larger than Clinton?

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Even if these questions aren't being addressed in the media right now. I have confidence that they're the thoughts of everyone in the media outside of Fox and perhaps the AP.

The only thing keeping me going right now is the hope that America will not be too stupid to =BUST= them on this!!!!!

From KFMB in San Diego:

http://www.kfmb.com/topstory30915.html

The whores are bought and sold by the 'pukes.

And to question the validity of the machines would be un 'murican.

It may take time.

But I am confident that the truth will prevail this time. Americans are just not THAT stupid.

At least the ones who voted for Kerry that is...

were useful to you.

At least there are a few out there.

I'm worried about the articles I saw saying everything went just great with the machines.

-wildflower

But I'm really suspicious of their timing (coming out immediately and praising Diebold)

And if you're going to pull a massive stunt like this that has taken years to perfect, one of the things on the "Must Do" list, would be to ensure there were countless articles out there praising the very demon they used to pull this thing off.

To whoever it was that suggested even Dems are buying into the "gay issue" (sorry, when you're responding, you can't see the list of names so I can't recall who just wrote that)..

..but here's what I think. I think that it's just too early for Democrats to jump on the Diebold Fraud story because we HAVE to have our evidence 100% ready to present before we do.

If they're suggesting that perhaps it was moral values (or whatever), they are just stalling until this story breaks.

Sorry :shrug: but I just have cofindence that the truth will come out before all is said and done.

I couldn't even begin to guess how long it will take. But I trust that they will be able to prove what happened. And I think that Bush will be forced to resign when Americans see what the true results were.

marriage, and even our Dems are buying it.

They only "covered" it peripherally (to appease us), and in the few days in the lead-up...way too late to DO anything..

They are perfectly comfortable with the way things are.. They live in a tidy world, with words pouring into their ears, and out their mouths.. They take their marching orders and talking points from computers..

Computers are never wrong :eyes:

How come we cannot get a mole insider to blow this fraud voting conspiracy thing wide open? That's what I want to know.