Tweety just said that 47% of American people believe Genesis, literally.

Creationism. Anti-science. Where the fuck did he get that special little stat.?

he gets leaked to him every morning from Fox.

When will we learn?

This country is going into the dark ages. Whenever religion dominates a culture the culture stops thinking. It is a drug

but it would not surprise me if it were accurate. The theory of evolution, the foundation for modern biochemistry, biology and genetics is not even taught in many schools. It's only going to get worse. Whatever scientific or technological breakthoughs we may get in the future will come from foreign scientists and engineers.

Last I heard it was around 60%. If I remember correctly. According to the AAAS.

Your number is ridiculous. How could anyone believe that?

http://www.aaas.org/spp/dser/evolution/perspectives/pennock.shtml

Are you telling me you're suprised that about half of Americans are completely stupid?

if you would be able to achieve any gains whatsoever with that attitude about half of your fellow citizens.

Oh , and by the by, I do not believe it!

Or idiots who apologize for idiots.

I fail to see where I mentioned sympathy. I fail to see why you believe the rules of civilized discourse have been suspended.I fail to understand why the fuck you are here in the first place, with an attitude like yours you are a walking promo for Bush and Rove.

You seem to be a walking from for the Bush doctrine.

I don't see much of a difference between you and someone who wants to write some other group off.

to outlaw religion. We're not trying to use the constitution to deny your rights.

It is the religious who are doing that to US.

I'm sorry but I didn't know that you and the Dr were siamese twins

sorry you got that impression. Most people might be able to read two different names and presume they're different people.

I was doing what's known as "butting in". Do you want to address the point, or make a snarky comment?

The point is the religious people in this country are doing their damnedest to deny ME my rights.

why are you answering a question I addressed to the Dr?

I was doing what's known as "butting in". Do you want to address the point, or make a snarky comment?

I want to know DrWeird's opinion. That was why I asked HIM, and not you.

The point is the religious people in this country are doing their damnedest to deny ME my rights.

I've never done anything to deny you your rights.

do you contribute money to a church? Then you may well have.

Everybody here is ready to "starve the beast" when it comes to corporations. I suggest we "starve the monster" that is the churches of America.

Apparently you live in a reality that bears little resemblance to the one in which I reside. Im sorry for your debilitating problems and urge you to seek help. Unless and until you do so there is really little point in indulging your fantasy world.

Where in hell did I suggest ignoring Homosexuals? Goodbye and good luck in your search for mental health.

about a significant percentage of his fellow citizens who claimed to be "doing God's will" - the Pharisees.

I don't know what the percentage was, but it was enough to exert a lot of control over the people to keep them poor, subjected and obsessing about other peoples' "morals."

Nonetheless, Jesus never stopped railing against them and he never stopped telling the truth about them.

and 100 is notvery bright.

But we wern't talking about IQ. We were talking about people who believe the Bible is literally true.

why do we still watch these animals?

No more CNN! No more MSNBC!

that 47% of the people believe in the literal meaning of Genesis.

--IMM

the rural folks - those radical right-wingers who would outlaw abortion, sex-education, and freedom of speech ...

If 47% of Americans believe Genesis literally, America is lost. We are on our way to have our science books replaced by the Bible.

Also, what the fuck does that have to do with anything?

What it means is that 47% of Americans are utter dolts. But we already knew 51% were.

is made of the plunderers - the steal it wherever and whenever you can and then stick it to 'em criminals, and the over the edge power mad - ie Dick Cheney.

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with other reports I've heard. Depends on how the question is asked.

We are a nation of uninformed, scientically illiterate hooligans.

edit: the 47% number comes from a 1994 Gallup poll on the subject. They did the same poll in '97, and came up with 44% believing "God created man pretty much in his present form at one time within the last 10,000 years."

This is in line with the PIPA report about whatpeople believe about *. This is our main obstacle, the blind sheep will believe anything the money-grubbing taliban pseudo-christian preachers will tell them.

Edit: All your base are belong to us!

:D

People will be blaming apples for everything that's gone wrong!

nt

Just kidding.

The right wing claims to be christian, but it is clear that they ignor nearly everything that Jesus said.

when they whine about "all that christian bashing at DU."

But no, it's not christian bashing. It's idiot bashing.

follow the teachings of Paul not Jesus.

Not the first to make this observation, although I learned it from first hand experience.

Thomas Jefferson on Paul: "Paul was the first corrupter of the doctrines of Jesus."

Albert Schweitzer on Paul: "Where possible Paul avoids quoting the teaching of Jesus, in fact even mentioning it. If we had to rely on Paul, we should not know that Jesus taught in parables, had delivered the sermon on the mount, and had taught His disciples the 'Our Father.' Even where they are specially relevant, Paul passes over the words of the Lord."

Will Durant on Paul: "Paul created a theology of which none but the vaguest warrants can be found in the words of Christ." "Fundamentalism is the triumph of Paul over Christ."

Walter Kaufmann (Professor of Philosophy, Princeton) on Paul: "Paul substituted faith in Christ for the Christlike life."

George Bernard Shaw on Paul: "No sooner had Jesus knocked over the dragon of superstition than Paul boldly set it on its legs again in the name of Jesus."

Jeremy Bentham (English Philosopher) on Paul: "If Christianity needed an Anti-Christ, they needed look no farther than Paul."

Thomas Hardy on Paul: "The new testament was less a Christiad than a Pauliad."

Carl Jung on Paul: "Paul hardly ever allows the real Jesus of Nazareth to get a word in."

Bishop John S. Spong on Paul: "Paul's words are not the Words of God. They are the words of Paul- a vast difference."

"All this is nothing better than the jargon of a conjurer who picks up phrases he does not understand to confound the credulous people who come to have their fortune told."
-- Thomas Paine

area). We were blue this election. However, members of our Board of Education have recommended that the Bible be distributed to all students, that evolution not be taught in the schools (and creationism be taught) and that books that might be considered immoral (by?) be banned from the school. There are some really whacked out talibornagains on our board. They are awful, and it is going to be hard to get the three worst ones out. But it seems that the community is willing to fight (yes!).

I was getting ready to lay a switch across your hiney. :)

More Bullshit to further the propaganda of the Right.

There aren't even that many 'Christians' let alone 'Evangelicals' in this country.

I guess if Gallup says it's so then it's so.

And here I thought polls were meaningless.

for decades. Other polls don't show a huge difference from Gallup's results.

The fact is, nearly half of Americans are scientific idiots.

Rather than fight with US about the statistic, you should be mad that so many of your fellow Americans get their science education from an ancient religious text.

I just don't believe that particular (Gallup or otherwise) statistic, and if you don't like my disbelief (which I am entitled to), then don't reply to my post.

Simple.

on what basis do you reject the number?

They've polled on it for decades, and the number cited isn't out of line with past polls, nor is it inconsistent with OTHER polls on the question.

Just saying "bullshit" isn't a compelling argument.

they are desperate to convince us that their numbers are that large..
I hardly know any Christians who take the bible literally.

he used an older poll.

In '94, 47% of Americans believed "God created man pretty much in his present form at one time within the last 10,000 years."

In '97, that number was 44%

Either way it's disgusting.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/ev_publi.htm

I know a lot of people who call themselves Christians, but very few who live up to Christian values.

Well? I'm waaaaaiting ...

I never got a satisfactory answer to this in Catholic catechism. So I'm going to hold my breath till the fundies answer me!

and the number was *up* from 44% in 1982. young earth creationism, you all realize, is a relatively new idea. and it's still growing, not shrinking. the last time that high a percentage believed in a literal genesis was back in 1830.

there is no doubt anymore. the fundies, the snakehandlers, the fag haters, the jesus freaks, street evangelizers, and witch burners have declared war on the rest of us. every knee shall bow, doncha know? and if they bow them for us, well that's just gawd working through them.

the majority of christians are, demonstrably, god damned fools.

convince the nation that even though they dont believe this, now they should because after all it has a 40 something backing aND IT IS WHAT A GOOD CREATION BELIEVES

THIS IS REALLY SOUNDING LIKE CREATING THE MASSES IN SUCH A WAY FOR HILTERISM

didnt mean caps..............

your post, but looked at the subject line and my radar went off the scope and I hit back at you!!!

I turned the Whore TV OFF at 11:00 p.m. Nov. 2nd. So, I'm very much out of it..but Tweety is the WHORE SUPREME...sorry. Shouldn't put my anger out on you...

We're free to watch what we want.

The discussion is about a statistic he gave - many here immediately jumped on it as a lie, but if you do a little cursory googling, it turns out to be true.

He said it, not me or thee. Hold his feet to the fire.

the statistic is true. It's been discussed here repeatedly.

The problem is not Chris Matthews - it's American idiocy.

Chapter and verse. Cite a statistically reliable source to Tweety's outrageous claim. I double-dog dare you. Church sources don't count. They wrote that crap in the first place. The Church is a specious source.

it's a gallup poll from '94 that gives the 47% figure. It's been linked here a few times - I posted an article referencing it and Dr.Weird posted a few links to it.

It is not church sources. Your double-dog dare is a bit over the top, rhetorically, demanding a source that has already been provided here.

Jesus was a Capricorn
He ate organic food
He believed in love and peace
And never wore no shoes
Long hair, beard and sandles
And a funky bunch of friends
Reckon we'd just nail him up
If he came down again

Chorus:
'Cause everybody's gotta have somebody to look down on
Who they can feel better than at any time they please
Someone doin' somethin' dirty decent folks can frown on
If you can't find nobody else, then help yourself to me.

Eggheads cussing rednecks cussing
Hippies for their hair
Others laugh at straights who laugh at
Freaks who laugh at squares
Some folks hate the Whites
Who hate the Blacks who hate the Klan
Most of us hate anything that
We don't understand
Chorus

http://www.pollingreport.com/religion.htm (about halfway down the page)

Virginia Commonwealth University Life Sciences Survey. Sept. 3-26, 2003. N=1,003 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3.

"Which of these statements comes closest to describing your feelings about the Bible? The Bible is the actual Word of God. The Bible is the Word of God but not everything in it should be taken literally. OR, The Bible is a book written by men and is not the Word of God."

Actual Word of God: 42%
Not to be taken literally: 37%
Written By Men: 14%
Don't Know: 6%

then they are sinnin i tell you, wink

They are simply incapable of processing information for an accurate result.

a third world country. People are ignorant and don't want to think for themselves.