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Carl Brennan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 08:24 PM
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How the Bushboys may be getting DU'ers names.
What if Mr. Vincent is just trying to out DU'ers? Something to think about.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=2587059&mesg_id=2587059
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prodigal_green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 08:25 PM
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1. who cares if they get our names?
That's the whole point.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 08:27 PM
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5. No shit.
I couldn't care less if they have my name. Fuck em!
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Hog lover Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 08:27 PM
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6. All-expense paid trips to Guantanamo? n/t
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Mortos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 08:57 PM
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37. Steven Vincent here
I was wondering how long it would be before someone questioned my reasons for doing the "my name is" thread. I did it for me. I am amazed that it has been cathartic for other people and I believe they did it for themselves.

I don't care what happens. My brother asked me how far I was willing to go with it and I replied, "prison, death."

If that is what this country has come to, I will fight in the open against it. If I am punished for it, so be it.

I want to thank the hundreds of people who are so angry or frustrated or patriotic or courageous enough to get it.

This isn't about them. It is about us.

Join us if you want but don't question my motives or the motives of your fellow DU'ers who had the guts.
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Carl Brennan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 09:03 PM
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45. Or it could be something else
How can you be certain?
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Say_What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 09:07 PM
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48. You'll care when they knock down your door with the Patriot Act
in their hand and charge you with whatever trumped up charge they can.

<clips>

...4. Sharing of Information with the CIA by Local Law Enforcement and the FBI.

The Act under Section 203(a) would permit law enforcement agents to provide to the CIA foreign intelligence and counterintelligence information that was revealed to a grand jury during an unrelated criminal investigation. No court order would be required. The information revealed is not limited to the person in question.

The Act permits a vast array of information gathering on U.S. citizens from school records, financial transactions, internet activity, telephone conversations, information gleaned from grand jury proceedings, and criminal investigations to be shared with the CIA.

The term "foreign intelligence information" has been redefined by Section 203(a) which includes "information, whether or not concerning a United States person, with respect to a foreign power or foreign territory that relates to the national defense of the security of the United States or the conduct of the foreign affairs of the United States."

This is a key and determinative definition that will serve as the underpinning in the interpretation and construction of the Act by courts of law. If information sought is defined as "foreign intelligence" the Act will allow law enforcement to secure unchallenged warrants from a FISA court. See below for an explanation of FISA. The Act also allows the sharing of this information between all law enforcement agencies locally and nationally.

This definition of "foreign intelligence" would involve the activities and communications of the peace movement and any information disseminated or produced by dissidents to U.S. foreign policy. Information about peace movement groups could be shared with any other agency including the CIA. This information could be gleaned from criminal investigations or from phone taps or emails.

http://www.afn.org/~iguana/archives/2001_11/20011116.html

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Mortos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 09:14 PM
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51. Bring it on.
If you people are truly afraid to speak in your own country then it is lost. You may as well delete your account here and go hide in your closet. I chose to not be afraid. There have been others who have done much more for much less and paid with their pain, their freedom and their lives.

We are not there yet but that day will be expedited by those who will not stand up against it.

I will not be afraid. It is freeing, this feeling of putting my foot down, of drawing a line.

Try it or go hide. It is up to you.

By the way, if they wanted your information, they already have it. Now they know you are scared, they will probably come for you first to use against the others.

A coward dies a thousand pitiful deaths, a brave person but once. Which is more glorious?
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 08:26 PM
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2. I've always used my own name.
Come and get me, George. Thief.
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 08:26 PM
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3. What Bushboys...
Are getting what names? And why?
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HappinessPie Donating Member (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 08:26 PM
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4. Yeah, what are they gonna do??? Come after us for saying we're DEMOCRATS?
I say FUCK EM!!!!!!

:puke:
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Don Claybrook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 08:28 PM
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7. Uh oh. I guess it's too late for me
Sincerely,

Don Claybrook
Louisville, KY (and in the book)
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 08:28 PM
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8. yep, those sorts of threads are unwise at best
and invitation to stalking by whackos or retaliation by the corporatists at worst.

Just don't expose yourself online. Proclaim your liberal values in LTTE in you local papers, but stay safe online. Not everyone is as nice as we are; keep that in mind.
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juliagoolia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 08:28 PM
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The idea you thought of that is enough said.
What me worry? I could care less who knows or I'd have not posted.
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4_Legs_Good Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 08:28 PM
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9. Bring it on
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haydukelives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 08:57 PM
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38. BRING IT ON!!!!!
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 08:28 PM
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10. Billy O'Connor, Hell's Kitchen, NYC
I'm easy to find, just ask around. Come and get me, fuckfaces.

P.S. I'm not afraid of the Guantanamo brig, because I've already been there!(beaming with pride)
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liberalitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 08:45 PM
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30. Coool!!!! Like bart simpson says it...
Kathy Wilson here....
They've already pegged us school teachers as terrorists.....
So it's only a matter of time...
They darken the door of D31(blue hall) and I'll hit square in the forehead with a piece of chalk at 20 yards (after 13 years of teaching... my aim is awesome)
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 08:29 PM
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11. My name is William Rivers Pitt
Kiss my ass, George. Take your so-called 'man-date' and cram it sideways.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 08:29 PM
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12. They could get our names.
National Security or some such claptrap.
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freetobegay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 08:29 PM
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13. It just doesn't matter!
If they really wanted to know who we are they would just show up with a search warrent to skinner For names and or e-mail addresses.
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 08:31 PM
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20. Bing!
The prize for common sense. Let them watch. We are doing nothing illegal here and I would hope that anything sensative is transmitted in a manner that befits its sensativity.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 08:30 PM
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14. Fuck it, I gave him my name - come for me
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 08:30 PM
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15. What could be worse than what already is?
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 08:30 PM
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16. I don't give a fuck. I was proud to join that thread.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 08:31 PM
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17. One word for you: Carnivore
They know who you are, they know where you live. Posting your name and personal info on here just makes the SS and FBI giggle. So be it.
And I'm the first one who responded. Didn't hesitate a minute.

bush's "Internets" is probably a slip of the tongue where he "accidentally" revealed the shadow Internet which copies your every move and stores it for future reference. (Kind of like when he yelled out "There will NOT BE an all-volunteer army!")

Shadow internet. Is the thought paranoia? Yes. Is it technologically possible? Don't know, I'm not IT.

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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 08:33 PM
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23. Not any technology I have even...
Remotely heard about. Wait...there was this post on alt.conspiracy I saw...;-)
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Carl Brennan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 08:55 PM
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35. OK, that's true but
getting people to identify themselves makes those who are looking for that information alot easier.

Paranoia= unreasonable fear.
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 08:31 PM
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18. Couldn't care less, I'm out of the closet, baby!
Democrate and Proud! :)
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 08:31 PM
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19. they've had MY name for a LONG LONG time
no one knocking at my door.

I am NOT afraid.

jeff matson lives in brooklyn NY and doesn't approve of the messages of bushco!



bite me!
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 08:32 PM
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21. too old to care...............
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louis c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 08:33 PM
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22. I Would be Disappointed if they Didn't Have it
Louis Ciarlone

President IBEW Local 123.

I'm easy to find.
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shelley806 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 08:34 PM
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24. Chris Heinz said that it was the most moving thread he had read at DU.
n/t
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 08:34 PM
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25. If you're a registered Democrat
They already have easy access.
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Carl Brennan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 08:35 PM
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26. Point is.....
If you feel comfortable giving your name go ahead. I am just trying to let people know that the topic may not be what it seems.
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vetwife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 08:38 PM
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28. I never hid behind a screenname..
Like they haven't being taking screen shots of our names anyway? Come on...We have had moles in here . This was a clear statement that we will not be intimidated.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 08:37 PM
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27. In the Bush* economy, those of us head to Gitmo, might be the only ones
who EAT and/or don't freeze to death on the street.
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justjones Donating Member (596 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 08:39 PM
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29. Dude, wasn't the point of that thread not to be afraid....
to speak your mind, which would include your name?

I'd worry about a stalker before I'd worry about this Administration. At the moment, they are too preoccupied with conquering the world.

However, after they finish consolidating their power and conquering the world, then they will come back to the names. I'm sure they are archiving.

On the other hand, perhaps they will start recruiting the new Brown Shirts soon...in that case, they are screwed. I'm glad I didn't post my name....however, with today's technology, who says you even have to for them to know you.

:shrug:
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Carl Brennan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 08:47 PM
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33. But it could be a deception. nt
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doni_georgia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 08:47 PM
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31. Who cares - This is the USA and he can have my name
I have done NOTHING illegal. I have made no threats. I am a registered Democrat, anyone could get my name. My name is Donalyn Vaughn and I am not afraid to post my name on this board.
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 08:47 PM
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32. Yeah so? My name is on all my mail, tax returns, licenses
I think you're somewhat paranoid.
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 08:52 PM
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34. WHO THE FUCK CARES? Do you understand me? watershed
this was a watershed moment. part of the lock on some of us board browsers from doing more is we get all excited and supportive of Dems here...but don't follow through as our REAL selves out on the street every day. or at least maybe we don't commit as fully as we should.

This November, EVERYTHING CHANGED. You have not even BEGUN to see me bring to bear the full spectrum of my talent, brains, and motivation on these important issues.

Bush, you motherfucker, you just woke a giant.
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Carl Brennan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 08:58 PM
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39. Some obviously care about keeping their identity secret
and their wishes should be respected.
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 09:00 PM
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41. that's not my point. I'm defiantly saying I KNOW what I'm doing
despite what can go on out there....I'm essentially saying this guy ain't hiding. I'm out in the open. The revolution starts NOW.
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BonjourUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 08:56 PM
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36. My name is Marc Rouland, I'm French and...
Edited on Fri Nov-05-04 08:57 PM by BonjourUSA
I thank the Americans who helped the representatives of the French people for writing the "Declaration des Droits de l'Homme et du Citoyen" (Declaration of the Rights of the Man and the Citizen) in 1789. And I can't believe one day in an American airport I would be under arrest because I would have unveiled my name here. it would mean that the FBI is become Gestapo.

"Declaration des Droits de l'Homme et du Citoyen" in English : http://www.constitution.org/fr/fr_drm.htm
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hollywood926 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 08:58 PM
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40. My name is Denise Smith and the shrub can kiss my ass n/t
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Carl Brennan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 09:00 PM
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42. Or you could be
someone else.
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 09:11 PM
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50. I just looked at myself...
I'm pretty sure it's me!
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 09:23 PM
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55. As could you...
"Carl." Your posts now suggest a baiting / trollish sort of demeanor now. Worry not, man. We're all adults here, sort of.
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BonjourUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 09:04 PM
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47. Is it nice ?
;-)
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ezekiel333 Donating Member (507 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 09:00 PM
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43. Gunnery Sergeant N.A, Cummings, USMC (ret.)
Edited on Fri Nov-05-04 09:13 PM by floridapatriots
Expert Rife, Expert Pistol

They know where I am at.

Bring it AmeriKa!

Fuck moderate!

Florida Patriots
<http://floridapatriots.com>

On edit: Now, who the fuck are you?
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 09:02 PM
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44. Ummm....that's the whole point of the thread.
Showing that we're not going to hide behind an anonymous internet nickname.
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 09:03 PM
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46. thanks to this thread and the other one I can't get
"my name is ... slim shady: or whatever that Emimen song is.

I'm going to differ. I'm way more scared of wacked out freepers than the gov't because at least the gov't has protocols.

There.
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cmd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 09:09 PM
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49. Want my Social Security number, too?
I don't care. Go for it.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 09:16 PM
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52. Farmer Vincent?
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olildem Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 09:19 PM
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53. I TOTALLY DON'T FUCKING CARE. I'LL SAY IT AGAIN. MY
NAME IS MARY PATRICIA BROWN. THEY CAN ALL GO FUCK THEMSELVES. :mad:
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 09:20 PM
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54. We should not be afraid
It would be bad PR for them to do something. Never be afraid. When you are too afraid to state your name or opinions, our country is through. As long as we dare to speak no matter what the consequence, our country is still alive. If we stop, we die.
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 09:28 PM
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56. locking.
DU participation agreements preclude "calling out". Locking.

Thanks for your consideration,

DU Mod
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