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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 09:34 PM Original message |
Kerry Margins: Paper-ballot and Non-paper ballot states... |
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DoBotherMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 09:36 PM Response to Original message |
1. (screaming here) thanks TIA |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 12:20 PM Response to Reply #1 |
61. EVERYONE PLEASE GO TO THIS LINK. I UPDATED THE GRAPHS |
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progressivejazz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 12:29 PM Response to Reply #61 |
66. I realize you're busy cranking out the numbers, but PLEASE... |
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blurp (769 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 01:04 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. The New Hampshire result hurts his case, too, I'm afraid |
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Liberal Dose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 02:04 PM Response to Reply #69 |
77. NH Democratic Primary |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 08:13 PM Response to Reply #69 |
100. as a native nhite |
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mike from ri (214 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 10:52 PM Response to Reply #69 |
107. and nh had scanned paper |
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PatsFan2004 (245 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-07-04 12:51 PM Response to Reply #107 |
130. NH is a state that has fought higher taxes for years. That state |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 05:28 PM Response to Reply #66 |
89. You are absolutely right, but |
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mike from ri (214 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 10:50 PM Response to Reply #66 |
106. please please please |
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ParanoidPat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-07-04 05:18 AM Response to Reply #106 |
119. Although Optical Scanned ballots leave a paper trail....... |
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mike from ri (214 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-07-04 07:45 AM Response to Reply #119 |
121. since they can be hand checked |
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mike from ri (214 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 11:17 PM Response to Reply #61 |
110. nh, oh, mn, nc, wi |
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blurp (769 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 11:43 PM Response to Reply #110 |
114. Florida also has a mix of touch screen and paper |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 09:37 PM Response to Original message |
2. Minnesota is a paper trail state |
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Nobody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 04:55 PM Response to Reply #2 |
83. MN's paper trail. What happens after the polls close. |
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CatholicEdHead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-07-04 12:17 PM Response to Reply #2 |
128. Agreed |
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Old and In the Way (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 09:38 PM Response to Original message |
3. TIA, you should label the bottom graph "non paper trail" |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 10:00 PM Response to Reply #3 |
22. Just updated the graphs |
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matt819 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 10:54 AM Response to Reply #22 |
40. Excellent |
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Pobeka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 09:39 PM Response to Original message |
4. Thanks TIA! |
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autorank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 09:39 PM Response to Original message |
5. Thanks Truth. Please keep it coming. People love this. |
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The Jacobin (820 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 11:08 AM Response to Reply #5 |
44. Holy Crap |
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andym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 09:41 PM Response to Original message |
6. NH has a very good paper trail (it's in your non paper trail list) |
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Old and In the Way (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 10:25 PM Response to Reply #6 |
35. I was suspicious on election eve when their count dragged on until |
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The Wielding Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 08:04 PM Response to Reply #35 |
96. Quite insightful. |
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progressivejazz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 12:21 PM Response to Reply #6 |
62. Am I the only one who remembers Sen. Bob Smith's last win? |
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andym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 01:31 PM Response to Reply #62 |
72. Really? |
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mike from ri (214 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 11:03 PM Response to Reply #6 |
109. i poll watched in a heavily dem precint in nh |
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gcomeau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 09:41 PM Response to Original message |
7. Ok, one thing I've never been clear on... |
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pleiku52cab (674 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 09:43 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. FLORIDA |
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jdj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 09:41 PM Response to Original message |
8. this is the most useful graphic I have seen on this. |
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anamandujano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 09:42 PM Response to Original message |
9. I saved this image that someone posted yesterday |
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cosmicaug (676 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 09:49 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. Ohio. |
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anamandujano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 09:59 PM Response to Reply #13 |
21. They also had machines |
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jdj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 11:16 AM Response to Reply #13 |
46. it was a combo, I found mostly optical scan which has a paper ballot BUT |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 11:20 AM Response to Reply #13 |
48. No. |
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DoYouEverWonder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 03:40 PM Response to Reply #48 |
80. How many ballots did they dump for spoilage in OH |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 09:31 PM Response to Reply #80 |
101. I have heard |
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prof_science (343 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 09:51 PM Response to Reply #9 |
15. God damn. |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 10:19 AM Response to Reply #15 |
39. This is MORE than huge. This is WAR. |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 09:58 PM Response to Reply #9 |
19. Where did those graphs originally come from? |
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anamandujano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 10:03 PM Response to Reply #19 |
26. a thread here at DU |
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anamandujano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 10:10 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. here's the thread, link |
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PeteGammons (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 12:01 PM Response to Reply #9 |
55. I don't know whether to laugh or cry... |
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Divine Discontent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 05:08 PM Response to Reply #55 |
86. laugh or cry? How about you just shut up! |
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Moonbeam_Starlight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 10:53 PM Response to Reply #55 |
108. Pete |
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ThoughtCriminal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 09:43 PM Response to Original message |
10. Data at the precinct level? |
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jdj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 09:50 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. you can go to verified voting |
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ThoughtCriminal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 09:55 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. What about exit polls? |
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gcomeau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 09:56 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Link... |
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lizzieforkerry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 10:12 PM Response to Reply #10 |
31. Check out the story about |
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jdj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 09:44 PM Response to Original message |
12. one request, I much prefer the terminology "paper ballot" |
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kimchi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 09:57 PM Response to Original message |
18. Thanks, TIA. |
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shraby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 10:01 PM Response to Reply #18 |
23. I couldn't get the top link to work |
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KYDEM (213 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 09:59 PM Response to Original message |
20. TIA links |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 10:02 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. Try it again. I was just updating it. |
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shraby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 10:02 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. Works now for me. |
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Eloriel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 10:06 PM Response to Original message |
27. Your Yahoo link is broken, or scrubbed |
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shraby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 10:11 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. Could you give this guy |
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Eloriel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-07-04 12:49 AM Response to Reply #29 |
117. done n/t |
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demgrrrll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 10:11 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. What happened to those AP stories that had a Bush win prior to the |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 10:16 PM Response to Reply #27 |
33. Its fixed |
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HysteryDiagnosis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 10:21 PM Response to Reply #27 |
34. Works for me.... may have been overloaded for a time.... n/t |
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Pobeka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 10:15 PM Response to Original message |
32. A request. 2 charts just showing the difference between exit & actual. |
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Old and In the Way (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 10:28 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. Side by Side would be better....I agree. |
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KC21304 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 10:34 PM Response to Original message |
37. I voted optical scanner in central Wisconsin. |
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alphafemale (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 03:27 AM Response to Original message |
38. kick |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 11:00 AM Response to Original message |
41. There is a huge flaw in this chart and in this case. |
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jdj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 11:19 AM Response to Reply #41 |
47. easy to fix. though. |
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Pobeka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 11:50 AM Response to Reply #41 |
51. Nope, no cherry picking here. |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 12:01 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. You miss my point. |
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Pobeka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 12:25 PM Response to Reply #54 |
64. I understand your point. But these states are all they released. |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 11:02 AM Response to Original message |
42. Where did this come from? What was the source of information |
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Politicub (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 11:03 AM Response to Original message |
43. Wow |
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flygal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 11:12 AM Response to Original message |
45. Links don't work!!! |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 11:46 AM Response to Original message |
49. Have the election results in OH & FL been certified yet? |
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madozone (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 11:47 AM Response to Original message |
50. Wisconsin has paper ballots |
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JohnnyCougar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 11:55 AM Response to Reply #50 |
53. Actually, the optical scan ballots were shown to be just as unreliable |
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madozone (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-07-04 01:22 PM Response to Reply #53 |
131. Is the point that we want a paper trail? |
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progressivejazz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 11:52 AM Response to Original message |
52. What is your criterion... |
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DuaneBidoux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 12:05 PM Response to Original message |
56. WE MUST GET PEOPLE LIKE ZOGBY ON THIS |
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bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 12:06 PM Response to Original message |
57. Data chart here: |
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DuaneBidoux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 12:08 PM Response to Original message |
58. WHY WERE THE LINKS KILLED? DID THEY KILL THE PAGES? |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 12:19 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. NO PROBLEM. I DID IT. LOOK AT THIS |
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BigBigBear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 12:08 PM Response to Original message |
59. Colorado had a paper ballot |
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intheflow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 01:19 PM Response to Reply #59 |
70. I voted in Denver, used a touchscreen, no paper receipt. n/t |
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The Wielding Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 08:09 PM Response to Reply #70 |
99. Also voted on touch screen and asked for proof I voted . Was told .... |
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riffraff_va (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 12:24 PM Response to Original message |
63. What I hate the most about this? |
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riffraff_va (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 12:28 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. DEMOCRATS LISTEN UP! |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 12:48 PM Response to Original message |
67. The links say that the pages no longer exist n/t |
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intheflow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 01:22 PM Response to Reply #67 |
71. Same thing happened to me. |
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Straight Shooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 12:55 PM Response to Original message |
68. Does anyone have Nevada's total vote available to compare? |
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liberal N proud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 01:42 PM Response to Original message |
73. This sucks |
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progressivejazz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 01:47 PM Response to Original message |
74. O.K., now I'm BEGGING you. |
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PATRICK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 02:04 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. Quick observation |
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mike from ri (214 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 11:22 PM Response to Reply #76 |
111. did the dem win the sen. race in OK? |
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Liberal Dose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 01:51 PM Response to Original message |
75. FLORIDA |
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txindy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 03:20 PM Response to Original message |
78. We need to send all of this to the media, especially the FOREIGN press. |
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seaclyr (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-08-04 10:38 PM Response to Reply #78 |
138. I agree |
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ngant17 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 03:30 PM Response to Original message |
79. fixing the voting process |
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renoray (194 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 03:53 PM Response to Original message |
81. Nevada is electronic, but has a useless paper trail |
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geekgrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 04:17 PM Response to Original message |
82. but Wisconsin also used paper ballots- I don't think this proves anything |
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bri_in_austin (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 04:59 PM Response to Original message |
84. this is a big story |
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VPStoltz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 05:02 PM Response to Original message |
85. Exit polls |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 09:41 PM Response to Reply #85 |
102. How it's not about values, but about terrorism. (ie, how Brooks spins) |
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DFLer4edu (675 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 05:16 PM Response to Original message |
87. Where are these exit polls coming from? |
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geekgrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 05:18 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. Yes, I would LOVE a source |
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chemp (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 05:47 PM Response to Original message |
90. I've had enough! |
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Bullshot (807 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 05:51 PM Response to Original message |
91. What counts as a "non-paper ballot" state? |
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BevHarris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 06:04 PM Response to Original message |
92. There are only two states that are wholly non-paper |
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FighttheFuture (748 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 08:09 PM Response to Reply #92 |
98. It would be hgelpfyl to know the mix of machines in these.. |
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Pobeka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 11:26 PM Response to Reply #98 |
113. Estimates can be found at this link: |
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geekgrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 11:53 PM Response to Reply #92 |
115. Exit polls are NOT the way to prove fraud folks! And this "data" is missin |
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ParanoidPat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-07-04 03:57 AM Response to Reply #115 |
118. In answer to your four points....... |
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JPZenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 06:51 PM Response to Original message |
93. PA. Mainly Uses Older Machines |
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Endangered Specie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 07:39 PM Response to Original message |
94. Ummm, last I checked (Nov 2) NC uses paper optical scan ballots. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 07:58 PM Response to Reply #94 |
95. No. It depends on the county in NC. eom |
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Q3JR4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 08:06 PM Response to Original message |
97. I need to know where the numbers came from. Where's the link info.? |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 09:42 PM Response to Reply #97 |
104. Link to thread here - |
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mountebank (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 09:41 PM Response to Original message |
103. What is the difference between voting in NH and NV? |
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mike from ri (214 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 11:23 PM Response to Reply #103 |
112. nh has a paper trail |
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mike from ri (214 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 10:26 PM Response to Original message |
105. NH is a paper ballot state, no? |
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ParanoidPat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-07-04 06:04 AM Response to Reply #105 |
120. You still miss the point....... |
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mike from ri (214 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-07-04 07:48 AM Response to Reply #120 |
122. graph depicts nh as a non-paper state |
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mountebank (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-07-04 12:07 PM Response to Reply #120 |
127. Ah, but this changes the nature of his conclusion. |
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deadparrot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 11:55 PM Response to Original message |
116. A suggestion: |
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ignatzmouse (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-07-04 09:12 AM Response to Original message |
123. Paper Ballot/E-Voting Discrepancy between Amendment & Presidential Totals |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-07-04 10:34 AM Response to Reply #123 |
124. ignatzmouse |
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Poor Richard Lex (256 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-07-04 11:37 AM Response to Reply #124 |
125. Paper or Plastic? |
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oasis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-07-04 01:36 PM Response to Reply #125 |
133. Good idea. We can begin a subliminal campaign by saying "plastic bag |
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ignatzmouse (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-07-04 12:01 PM Response to Reply #124 |
126. Re: ignatzmouse |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-07-04 12:34 PM Response to Reply #126 |
129. That's fine. |
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madozone (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-07-04 01:27 PM Response to Reply #123 |
132. I think your assumption is wrong |
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ignatzmouse (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-07-04 09:25 PM Response to Reply #132 |
136. The Wider Picture Underscores the Pattern |
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DFLer4edu (675 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-07-04 01:37 PM Response to Original message |
134. Where are these exit polls coming from? |
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ParanoidPat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-07-04 06:35 PM Response to Reply #134 |
135. I've posted responses to your question in at least 2 other threads...... |
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ignatzmouse (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-08-04 12:06 PM Response to Original message |
137. Right in Front of Our Noses: Absentee Votes Prove Poll Tampering |
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seaclyr (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-09-04 12:39 PM Response to Reply #137 |
139. Let me see if I understand this correctly |
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