Are people you know outside DU also pissed at the election result?

I'm finding many are. Not because of possible fraud, but because they're mad at the 59 million Americans dumb enough to give a president whose incompetence is breath-taking another term.

Bumper sticker and came up and practically fell on my shoulder crying. My mother and step dad are heart broken. My kids school teachers are all upset and really ticked off...the parents were all coming in to pick up there kids as if they had just witnessed a traffic accident and saw a death before they walked in the door.

Hell yes.. people are upset around the world.

There is NO JOY in Muddville today.

I saw a guy who always stands at the same intersection and sells flowers to drivers going by. He saw my Kerry sticker and came up while we were stopped at a red light. He said, "Do you know two good squelches for Bush voters? Tell them, 'Hitler was elected too' and remind them that the person they love so much would not support their actions, but gave away his possessions to the poor (Christ)."

I've been invited to join about four new groups.

People in the K-E Forum have migrated over to a new site and they are just as pissed. As a matter of fact, many of us regulars over there are also DU members.

Come visit sometime:
http://commongroundcommonsense.ipbhost.com

me that one of the reference librarians wanted to go to Canada....

DO NOT give them the satisfaction of thinking we're going ANYWHERE.

It is OUR country and I AM NOT going ANYWHERE!

57 million of US!

They don't seem to realize that there was voter fraud, but they are pretty angry the 59 million Americans were stupid enough to vote for him.

at the idiocy of that huge number of people who apparently voted for the Village Idiot.

Fear for the future is really the most prevalent emotion. I know a lot of lawyers, and, of course, they talk about how the federal court system is going to be ruined and how people do not realize the impact bad rulings will have on their lives.

I have tried to point the thoughtful ones in this direction. DU is a great resource.

can't believe it. Everyone is in shock.

99% of my classmates, teachers, entire family. My polisci prof stayed in bed until noon on Wednesday, he was so depressed. All of my teachers were MoveOn volunteers or GOTV Drivers in NH.

I love living in MA.

"I wanted to stay in bed, pull the covers over my head and eat chocolate all day!" (when I told her I missed her class on Wednesday to take a mental health day)

and afraid to talk to the ones who I know or am afraid voted the wrong way, afraid I might say things I will regret.

I only have two friends on earth who do not feel that Bush is the most unstable, violent, and dangerous president in US history.

I was on a business call today and mentioned that I was bummed about the election and my associate went off... she said it looked fishy but her husband said it was sour grapes.

So... I pointed her to some websites, and she wants to help.

I bet there are plenty more out there. We need to get this data out of the DU bubble and into the real world.

list of those that want info on fighting back and the e-vote fraud when I started raving at work, getting my haircut, etc. I sent one client to DU today and I'm sure there will be more. This was the last straw for many people. We're way past angry and close to civil war.

A RW friend sent me an op-ed about healing after all this "democratic hatefest" toward poor bush.... I summed up my response "fuck bush, we're not rolling over" and told him to drop it completely or we would very quickly not be speaking to each other anymore.

Since I still have Kerry buttons on my jackets, people start talking to me out of the blue.

And I instantly redirect the conversation to election fraud and the exit poll discrepancies.

A reminder to people that Kerry won the election.

I'm finding many at work that are. We are talking about politics now more than we did before the election. Prior to that everyone thought politics was a personal matter like sex and religion. Now as you say we're dumbfounded that * was re-elected.

But I should add I'm from a blue state.

most of the people i work with are very sad and pissed.

and yes, they're angry at the cognitive ignorance of the enstupidated.

into the pizza shot yesterday eve. ** came on the tv and a customer in the shop puts her hands out to block the view. She uttered, "I can't stand the man." To which I responded, "I feel violated."

Friends have called to express their disgust at this "moral" majority.

Has the same reaction to seeing Shithead on TV. He doesn't even want to see his face. Hubby is so livid I seriously worry about him.

My mom, several friends and even people I hardly know are all seeking me out to tell me how pissed they are.

from Australia, Britain and Germany with whom I discussed this very subject today. They are distraught over this.

to work for Kerry was devestated. Cried her eyes out.

despondent and very sad. To a person. I have not had the pleasure of a gloater yet.

We're disgusted that the red states, who pay only 10% of the taxes, have all the say in the government. This is truly taxation without representation when the house, senate, judiciary and presidency are controlled by people we didn't vote for, and our $$ pays for a war we don't want and lines the pockets of Bush's big business buddies.

:grr:

Everyone's raging over here too.

taxes in decades!! It's an option and there's definitely a price to be paid--not for the faint of heart by any stretch of the imagination!! I've been thinking about it for some time. Here's a few ideas.

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How To Resist War Taxes

Resisting war taxes is really very simple — don’t pay all the tax due on your annual Federal income tax form, or don’t pay the Federal excise tax on telephone bills, or both.

Summarized below are a few war tax resistance methods. Detailed descriptions can be found in WRL’s War Tax Resistance: A Guide to Withholding Your Support from the Military and through war tax counselors. Contact the National War Tax Resistance Coordinating Committee (NWTRCC) for counselors in your area. The probability of collection or prosecution varies among the methods; all — except #4 — are illegal. Serious consideration must be given before embarking on these types of resistance.

1) File and refuse to pay your taxes. This involves filling out an IRS income tax return (e.g., Form 1040) and refusing to pay either a token amount of your taxes (e.g., $1, $10, $100), some “military” portion (approximately 1% for nuclear warheads, 25% for current military spending, 50% for current and past military spending combined — see WRL’s pie chart for the latest percentages), or the total amount (since a portion of whatever is paid goes largely to the military). Include a letter of explanation with the return.

2) File a blank IRS 1040 income tax return with a note of explanation.

3) Don’t file any Federal income tax returns.

4) Earn less than the taxable income. However, it is important to organize and speak out on war tax resistance in order to publicize why you have choosen to keep your income low. Also, write letters to the IRS, newspapers, politicians, friends, and relatives.

5) Resist telephone taxes. A number of federal excise taxes are also included in the Federal Budget. These include tobacco and alcohol taxes. But the federal telephone tax has historically been the most clearly related to the ups and downs of military spending. To refuse the federal excise tax, simply subtract that amount from your monthly telephone bill and include a note of explanation to the phone company each time you pay the bill. The phone company is required (by FCC regulations) credit your bill and report this amount to the IRS, but not cut off your telephone service. For more information, see the Hang Up on War! campaign to resist telephone tax (initiated Nov. 2003).

http://www.warresisters.org/how_to_resist.htm

http://www.nwtrcc.org/

Randy and Betsy Kehler. All amazing resisters. Each of them has put it all on the line for their beliefs more than once, and they never give up the fight. Heroes.

on them a couple of times on Free Speech TV. They filmed the Feds taking their home and what happened to the new owners. There are other too in the same area I believe who are war tax resisters. Julia Butterfly Hill also. I remember being very moved hearing her statement on the radio. Much of that statement is in the article below.

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Julia Butterfly Hill announces largest War Tax Resistance in US history
October 16, 2003

by Dave Gross Wednesday October 15, 2003 at 03:40 PM

The war tax resistance movement got a big boost today when legendary environmental activist Julia Butterfly Hill announced what is being called "the single largest war tax resistance in U.S. history."

The war tax resistance movement got a big boost this afternoon when the well-known environmental activist Julia Butterfly Hill held a press conference at the Federal Building in San Francisco to announce what the National War Tax Resistance Coordinating Committee is calling "the single largest war tax resistance in US history."

Hill attracted international attention when she climbed 180 feet up into the branches of a 1000 year-old Redwood tree and refused to come down until it was safe from the Pacific Lumber Company's harvesting. 738 days later, she came down with an agreement to save not only the tree she'd named "Luna," but a three-acre patch of trees that surrounded it. Hill's commitment and her ultimate success proved inspirational to environmentalists and other activists.

http://vitw.us/war_tax/archives/000342.html

A transplanted I-90 corridor girl, just saying hi. Believe me, life is good for you back home. I miss it so living in the red state of Colorado! :hi:

and a news graphic with that info.

I know, I know it's terrible junk food, but... at the drive thru window, the employee (young woman, maybe 19) handed me my food and as she was handing me USA Today she read the headline "Bush 51%..." she said "51%! That's messed up!" I told her "he didn't win 51%! He cheated!" She was a total stranger. Obviously at LEAST 55 million people feel that way.

... many of them feel ENERGIZED. They know we've got to fight, no matter what it takes: protests, strikes, even civil disobedience.

Prediction: Generalissimo Chimpy McButthead's Coronation on Jan. 21, 2005 is completely ruined by well over TWO MILLION protesters in DC that day.

Pissed and distressed.

My workplace (a university) has been a morgue lately. We all just schlepp around and talk like someone's died. And walking through the faculty lot, loaded with K/E stickers is equally depressing.

On edit: I just hit 666 posts. Does that mean I'll turn into a neocon?

My email and phone have both been working overtime this week as my friends and family have been reaching out to one another to process and work through what has happened to our country. My mom, in fact, has surprised me with just how angry she is over this election. She is normally an easy going/conflict avoiding grandma, but this week I saw another side of her. She is definitely pissed!

For me it's been a feeling of sadness because more than anything this is no longer the country I grew up in. Bush has set us back two worlds to a full blown Banana Empire complete with rigged voting. Personally, I think we are entering scary, unpredictable times. I lived through the 60s and never felt anything like this and the 60s and early 70s had some very frightening things happen--JFK, MLK, RFK assasinated, people getting killed at Kent State and Berkeley, riot police surrounding SF State, DNC 1968 in Chicago, the Chicago 7, etc., RayGun as governor in California--it was like a police state.

some one posted a thing on the grief process. Denial, anger, bargaining, depression, acceptance. It seems like a lot of people have moved through most of those stages, but after depression decided that acceptance really wasn't appropriate under the circumstances, but total fury is.

Count me in that group.

to several of us at the office. I replied with a link to the black box voting site. Many people I know are questioning the results.

Now it's my job to convince them that it isn't over.

Where is John Kerry? I'm not worried. The man knows how to do a job right.

I'm in Florida, and I told them I would be taking two weeks off to work on the campaign (didn't say which one, since I did not know their politics). She asked me yesterday how I thought the election went (she was obviously hesitant about asking). I said "very badly-my guy wasn't the winner". Then the floodgates opened; we were on a conference call, and EVERYONE in the background started saying how devastated they were. My boss said that nobody worked Wednesday because they were too upset. They said it felt like 9/11 all over again. Later, she sent me a gut wrenching letter from a friend of hers that had been sobbing all day about Kerry's loss. All this time we've had a strictly professional relationship, but this event has bonded us.

Only I passed thru the stages quicker. I didn't really believe 9/11, for days (and I'm in downtown Manhattan. My denial was a huge fuzzy fog. THIS, I believe and it's perfectly clear.

Met several people who looked like I did--no sleep, eyes puffy from crying. A lot of people had shocked--stunned, more like--looks on their faces. It did feel like 9-11 again, but like the responder before me, I went through the grief process much faster. It was a surreal day, that's for sure.

you never saw such a glum bunch of people in your life. Almost all of them had been out door knocking the previous day.

My mother (age 83) says she feels as if someone died. She is angry that so many people were deceived by the Bushboy.

At church choir on Wednesday evening, people were also quite subdued, and one member apologized to the four Brits who are in the choir.

and I canNOT believe I'm calling my dad elderly! He's 77 years old, but he acts like he's 60. He's furious.

I don't know. I haven't been outside in three days.
John
I think I'm turning Canadian.

two of my sisters are born-again Christians and think we all are Godless heathens who don't respect the divine leader, Bush.

My youngest sister somehow got hold of the email Michael Moore sent out (17 reasons not to slit your wrists) and sent everybody in the family a message that she was praying for Michael Moore to be saved . . . .

Here is my response:
Michael Moore is a Catholic who does not need to be saved. His email was a tongue-in-cheek way of trying to make those of us who did NOT vote for George Bush feel better, and make us laugh.

There are 55 million (actually, 56,038,822 to be precise) people in this country (me included) who feel that Bush's reelection spells disaster for this country. I wouldn't be at all surprised to hear that one of them slit their wrists over the outcome of this election! But honestly, it was a joke -- really, satire. Satire is Michael
Moore's specialty.

For all of you poor folks who did vote for George Bush, don't worry, I'll pray for ya. You are going to get the America you deserve. One day when you're upset because of the way things are going in this country I'll send you this email and remind you how happy you were the day that Bush was elected.
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who along with himself said most of his co workers are very upset at the ingnorance of Bush Voters.

out of office! It starts today!"

Me, me, me, I wanna help! I am so pissed at him. He has always supported criminal approaches to youth problems, until his kid commits suicide. How dare he stand on the floor of the senate and cry after he's turned his back on so many people. He actually said at a food bank that alot of people don't want to be responsible for themselves, or some stupid crap like that. I thought maybe after his son died, he'd have a change of heart. But he went right out and said the most outlandish things for the Republican Party machine. He's definitely on my shit list. OUT he goes!

KITZHABER

And just withdrew for most of Wednesday. She didn't answer her phone or speak to anybody all day until she finally called me around 9:30 PM. She dedicated the last few months to volunteering for the Kerry campaign locally and was beside herself.

Most people I know vote and that's it .

Parents, sons, sister, SIL, nephew, etc. All of us! :grr:

I'm lucky in that about 70% of my town voted for Kerry, so I don't feel isolated here at all.

All my family and closer friends just are having a hard time coming to grips ............ there just seems to be something wrong .... how can so many people NOT see what we see? How can we have gone from winning the popular vote by 500000 with Gore to losing with Kerry by 3.5m ???? Against * ???? It just does not make sense. We are screwed. So are my kids.

Until today it was mostly because they figured half of America is just stupid. Today my Mom (who is a lawyer) started getting emails on her lists about voter fraud. Now she's really pissed. The word is spreading, thank Gawd.

n/t

but my husband a republican, not voting for bush this time, oh, he has taken this loss so hard. cannot believe bush won. cant stand to listen to anyone talk bush, and this isnt like him at all. such an easy going person

My sister, my BF, many people at work....we just need a leader...IMPEACH BUSH!!

I only know one, possibly two people who were actually happy on Wednesday. This is not surprising -- we've got that whole "blue island in a red state" thing going on here. Amazement is another reaction -- as in, "How is it possible that so many STILL voted so completely against their own interests?" (Of course, it may be that not as many really did so as it at first appeared....)

And I live in the Red state of North Carolina. People all around me are really, really pissed.

Me and my roommate agreed that we didn't want to hear any Bush supporter complain about what happens to them at the hands of Bush because they deserve it. I sometimes say that deserve is a harsh word (and I know I don't mean it to a point), but that's the word that keeps going through my mind lately.

Just about every black person I know is pissed. Many younger people are pissed. My family was very pissed.

I think that people in all fifty of the states are really, really pissed. I also don't think that the country's going to take this "We outnumbered you all by a little over three million, so we own you" crap. I think they're going to fight back harder than ever, and not always using friendly tactics.

They are upsest that poor and middle class people would choose a red herring like gay marriage over financial security and national security.

I find I have much less tolerance for my Bush supporting family and friends. I just don't want to be around them or have anything to do with them right now.

Almost each and every one I talked to said they had the same symptoms as me. They were not only pissed and outraged, but felt physically sick starting late Tuesday night and then, upon waking up to the news Wednesday, an empty feeling of nausea and lightheadedness set in.

had conceeded, it was like I had told them their grandma died. The room went 'Awwww' and everyone got really quiet.

#1 she can't believe ANYONE is dumb enough to vote for Shrub
#2 that no one is doing anything about them STEALING it again this time.

You should know that my mother is a born again Christian and didn't buy any of this crap from the Fundies. She said that George W. Bush wouldn't know God if he came up and smacked him in the face. Said he was nothing but a drunk.

People you wouldn't expect. And lots who spend time on the computer too!!

Women that are friends from another board, other girlfriends, random people I have run into.

The only thing is some are taking consolation in the fact that * has to clean up his own mess. BUT the question is if they actually will (fix it).

I was more troubled by the people that seemed happy or those that didn't seem concerned at all.

And what's more - they're LISTENING.

EDIT: To share an example...

Driving yesterday. Huge truck pulls up behind me. Guy sticks his arm out the window, shakes his fists, yells. Angry. I figured he'd seen my bumper stickers.

I roll down the window.

"RIGHT ON," he screamed, "WHAT HAPPENED? WHAT HAPPENED?"

"They stole it!" I yelled, as the light went green.

He HAD seen my stickers. And he WAS pissed - but not at me.

hate Bush.

There is an underground/resistance much bigger than Democratic Underground.

a large group of very unhappy people.

I hear people talking about the election everywhere I go, and not one of them has had a good thing to say about Bush. And this is in "conservative" Alberta. :eyes:

my parents are both pissed, my brother is, a lot of my teachers and friend are too.

I know people who have broken off friendships and family relationships over this. It's not like other elections where you just move on if your choice didn't win.

The Long Island Progressive Coalition, which is a small organization that does good things reported that they've had calls from 300 new volunteers since the election. They're overwhelmed at the moment, but are calling a meeting to plan for accomodating this unexpected and sudden growth.

There will be a resistance. No appeasement.

and a friend of mine who's a minister is also pissed off.

Many of the clients I see are pissed off - incredulous, actually. Of course, all except the minister live in New York, but it's NOT just us here at DU.

those were the reactions from people I've talked too

depressed because they don't know what to do next

pissed-off because they think there was some hanky-panky with the ballots and are expecting Congress just to brush it off, roll over and play dead

scared because it's another 4 years of outsourcing of jobs, falling wages, war and worse

"I'm so sad to realize that you're living in the U.S.S.A."...