Decision made -- UPS & FedEX

1
United Parcel Service
$2,060,397
28%
72%

3
FedEx Corp
$1,309,651
34%
66%

Reasons:

1. Huge donors. bigger than most of the companies out there. dwarfs Circuit City, Coors, McD's, Coke, etc. Only Wal-Mart, and a miniscule handful even beat them out. and that is just barely. Also gratuitously anti-democrats, at least some bad businesses have the tact to keep closer within 40ish/50ish ratio.

2. Can actually be affected by our small businesses and individual purchases.

3. Both are in the same business. Both have real alternative competitors (USPS). 2 birds, 1 stone.

4. Holiday season is hugely important to both. Your chance to flex muscles is nigh.

5. Fits the 'national' target criteria, whole nation has knowledge/business with these two.

We are now to boycott these companies by using USPS until they die. Got it? Until they are erased from existence. Full and complete prejudice. They will be our first and second bitches. This is not until they 'see the light,' they are being made an example of. They will be ruthlessly neglected until they collapse.

If you work for them, congratulations -- you, by collecting your paycheck are actively weakening the company faster. You have advanced notice too so as to spruce up your resume. If you have stock in them, congratulations -- you can keep up pretense by letting them think everything is OK and by actively voting in board meetings for the worst decisions for the companies. Besides, you have advanced notice, don't leave your retirement nest egg with them.

This is it folks, victim #1 and #2 in one stroke. We do not stop until we see a tombstone. Period. Over and out.

but when i have the option i will in the future use USPS.

cool, now life is easier, no tough decisions between 2 choices.

Why not edit your original post to delete them and we will keep this kicked!

And I bet ups and fedex will be more than happy to sign up for the privatized contract. And I think that is the no. 1 reason. I mean, if x-mas is a big money maker for them, wouldn't they want a vibrant economy? The repugs won't be adding to their gift basket in that department.

It's about the goal of privitizing the post office, I think.

AND, wasn't it so nice of FedEx to recently stop a bunch of pharms from Canada to americans who bought them there? Such kiss ups!

Boycott is on.

USPS has been privatized since the 1970s. Wingnuts holler about "privatizing" the U.S. mail service because they don't know what they are talking about, which is not too unusual, when you stop and think about it.

That said, the Post Office is still well regulated and I have had very good service.

Usually the free shipping is USPS. I've always used USPS preferably for years as they are union and my brother was an employee.

We should also petition companies we do business with to give us a choice for shipping.

yes, if you can weild some clout with some businesses please by all means encourage the switch to USPS.

IF they only let you get stuff via UPS, tell them "if you cant offer me USPS, i will have to buy elsewhere." Dont just leave them without letting them know why. If enough tell them why, they may offer USPS.

I ran into a store like that. Now i dont buy there at all. After four years as a regular customer. They are pretty dumb, if you ask me.

All the delivery services, all 4, including USPS, will mess up. When USPS messes up dont fall for the RW propoganda to wit "PO cant do anything right". My worst delivery man was UPS, not the PO.
UPS management ignored my complaints. So much for the superiority of private co's.

ideal would be every gov agency divided into three competing units. So we have more choice within the nationalized framework.
None of the three units would be donating $ to the Repubs, i might add. Any profit $'s go to pay off the natl debt of bush.

USPS is the United States Postal Service. They're not union so much as run by the government and our tax dollars.

USPS - good. UPS - bad. They may be union, but it's mostly because they have to be (here in MO, they're always bitching about how they wish we were a "right-to-work" state).

I thought they were self-sufficient with sales of services and stamps and only relied on the Gov. for oversight and enforcement of federal laws regarding mail fraud. I could be wrong, but I might be right.

anyone work for the USPS that can set me straight?

Postal workers I know say the idea that taxes pay for the USPS is a common misconception.

I mail with USPS every day.

Sometimes when I order things they are delivered through FedEx or UPS. I'll do my best to request USPS when possible.

Lettercarriers have a union for sure. They sponsor a food bank collection at the doorstep. Leave cans out, they collect for the poor.

THat i admire.

PS what are nutty fluffers? LOL

I wanted to make a nation in Nation States, a net time killer about people simulating their own nations. I watched Food Network about snack food and was intrigued by the fabled fluffernutter sandwich, and from there I wanted to be the "Harmonious Empire of FlufferNutters." unfortunately the name was already taken, so i had to improvise. so i switched the words around and saw that it sounded kinda funny. then i was inspired to alter 'nutters' into an adjective, hence nutty fluffers.

i love the vague connotation it contains. does it mean a bunch of crazy, back-combing, hair-teasing beauticians on a rampage? does it mean porn industry cock-teases running about giving everyone an erection? Is it a legion of housewives making every pillow in existence as puffy and soft as possible? you be the judge! :D

...are we solely boycotting these entities? Or are we also boycotting and writing letters telling them why we are boycotting (i.e. as we did with the Sinclair sponsor boycott)?

Just want to be thorough and do all we can to make the most impact.

Thanks! :)

many of us here would have difficulty being civil in writing a proper complain letter at this time. if you can do it i encourage you -- and please send the letter United States Postal Service :D

This is the kind of consumer advice this Dem will certainly use. Let's keep spreading the word.

Is it possible someone could set up an online petition to UPS and FedEx letting them know that XXX Dems will NOT be using their services any longer? We could hit them with the news just in time for the Xmas rush!

do I have to throw out my PC?

I appreciate your point- and I mostly use USPS because I want to support our Postal service, but there are times where i want to FedEx, as in sending packages to my family overseas. FedExed packages have a greater probability of arriving intact- non-looted and pillaged... I have had a piece of jewelry 'removed' from a letter once so do not entirely trust USPS with things of value.

My larger point is, yes- targeted boycotts can and do work, as in what we did with Sinclair's affiliates' sponsors, when the offending company is breeching ethical boundaries or violating a code of conduct which is harmful or offensive to others. But, to boycott a company because they choose to support a political party (not ours) is like the millions of Republicans refusing to turn on their lights becaue Edison was a Democrat. The owner of Fruit-of-The-Loom is a Republican donor- are you going to stop wearing underpants? Have we come to this?

Individuals may choose not to use FedEx or UPS- that's your right as a citizen. But to organize a national boycott because they support the 'wrong' political party seems rather simplistic, and- well, un-American.

I HATE the Chimp, too. I am deeply depressed that we won't have a President Kerry. But Democrats CANNOT lose their marbles- we have to remain calm, lucid, and rational- we have to figure out what the hell happened, and make sure it doesn't happen, ever again.

And berating people who work for FedEx or UPS is really unfair. I'm from NYC (living across the river in NJ) and I can tell you that a majority of the people I've seen working there are black and Hispanic- many are female. Those are companies that offer good salaries and benefits- and are not minimum wage shit jobs. So, why don't you ask a single mother supporting her family to give up her FedEx job to work at McDonald's for minimum wage because you don't lke her boss' politics?

Anyway, I know this will not be a popular post, but I believe in my First Amendment Right to speak when I see something I disagree with, even coming from a comrade. And I won't reply to hateful or angry posts- this my opinion and I will not get into a pissing match with anyone. BTW, I don't know if the owner of Fruit-of-the-Loom is a Republican, I was just making a point.

At some point, everything offered for sale benefits a republican. They own most of the business. From Raw materials to Manufacturing to shipping to Wholesale to Retail to Trash collection to Land fills. That is a fact of life.

if you have a better idea i welcome you to place it on the table. we need all the good ideas out now.

some of us will find this against their style, so be it. some will find it perfectly fitting their mood, so be it. you do your pro-active tactic, i, along with others, will do mine. together we will enact change.

the time for excessive contemplation and vacillation is over -- at least for many of us. if you feel this is not where your mojo would be most effective i invite you to come up with another pro-active solution. please don't rest in the false choice of impotence or violence, i expect you to be creative and more productive than that.

best wishes and give me a PM about your idea, i'd love to see it.

Entry into the company pays HORRIBLE wages.

8.95/hour for 3-5 hours a day as a package handler?

And you're treated like a slave while you're there. And then on top of that wonderous salary you get to pay Union dues on top of that! Plus you're given no breaks for anything.

Just because 'minorities' happen to work some place doesn't make that place a good place to work. Something that is probably demonstrated by the common ammount of times their union strikes.

They're not a very nice company.

I think some of these are owned by UPS. I would do my own wrapping and shipping of packages now, but since I am no longer buying anything, I guess I can double-fuck them. I find the United States (sic) Post Office just as good if you spend a lot...not regular mail but priority or express.

thanks for you kind consideration of those who have to work for a living.

if you really want make get big money out of elections, work for REAL election reform.

together, from many different angles, something will bear fruit.

and please, expound how you'll work for REAL election reform, i'd like to hear your plan, and how easy it is to accomplish. i'd love to see how i could contribute. i expect full details A-Z on how to do it, k? REAL election reform is now your cause and i expect a REAL game plan by next week. over and out.

Fact is when you buy on-line most time you have no choice as to who delivers because they sign contracts with shippers for the best deal. Buy computer parts from New Egg and it comes FedEX whether you like it or not. Certain other stores use UPS exclusively.

When you ship yourself you can use the USPS,which IMO their priority mail can't be beat but face it you won't make a dent in the bottom line of UPS.

I worked for UPS in the fall of 1981. I started at $9.10 per hour when most working slobs around here were lucky to get $4.00 per hour. I was lucky to get on because the place was filling up with FIRED PATCO workers. I guess UPS could have told them to get screwed,we side with Reagan but instead they hired them,and at good wage.

These guys pay damn good union wages,No damn way am I going to boycott them,instead try and get them to donate more to the Dems. BTW,does DHL have a union and pay those high wages? Just curious.

David

but we do get to choose where our hard-earned dollars go.

with all the fedex and ups workers that he feels should sacrifice their good-paying jobs by quitting his job and taking a burger-flipping job, too. if it's good enuff for them, it should be good him, too, dontcha think?

i know of relatives AND coworkers AND friends who work/worked with these companies. their stories aren't happy ones. i show solidarity in that i work to support a company, USPS, instead of one's that active seek to screw with our country and our fellow citizens.

again i ask, if you have something better, that's not impotent or violent, the floor is yours. make a post about it. provide a game plan. if some of us feel more akin to your style we'll participate in that. if they feel more akin to this then they'll participate in this.

ps: i appreciate your constructive criticism. i still, along with others, plan to do this. now i want you to go from constructive critic to being a critical constructor -- give us something pro-active to work with. the table is yours.

is that they are employee owned and they gave all that money to repukes. Then they run ads oh help us the Chinese pilots want to fly into America and take out jobs. hey fuck you , that is what you voted for. More of the same with lost jobs idiots.

I've been a UPS Teamster since I turned eighteen. This job put me through college and continues to allow me to support my family in something less than grade-school-teacher-poverty. Except for one election in the ugly days of Raygun, our union has strongly supported the Democratic Party. UPS is the single largest union employer in the whole damn country! It is employee owned only to the extent that it is owned primarily by management which is primarily drawn from the ranks which is a good thing. As seems to be the general case, unfortunately, once these former union members get a few more bucks, they start to vote repuke. As another post pointed out, nearly every big business is owned by and supports the repukes. I want to know where you work. Who does your boss support? You holier than thou, POS.

UPS contributions since 2000 to Bush and the repukes:
UPS Total Contributions: $4,593,296

You seserve what you get.

so please, elaborate on this game plan...

My United Parcel Service to my area is terrible so I won't use them anyway. I'm a bit sorrier to see FedEx go...but my USPS is so good anyway that it is little sacrifice to use them exclusively.

I've received many things from E-Bay from USPS and its great. Fast delivery time and Saturday delivery.

David

That's why!

USPS is not good for sending large amounts of packages.

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I either use UPS or FedEx. If I couldn't, then my small biz would have to turn the lights out and shut the doors to my business.

But lots of other things where I have more ability to choose, I buy local, give back to the community locally, support other local businesses that I know are owned by fellow democrats or liberals, etc.

will send documents anywhere in the nation overnight for a flat rate of $13.xx.

Now if you're sending it, for example, to Podunk, Texas population 23 it will take two days... but to any city they should gurantee overnight.

there are several here now tasked with producing plan B and C. please let us wait until they formulate a solid working game plan. we understand your situation and empathize -- but we won't stop. you are welcome to continue with them, you have a pressing need to stay. but in turn do not deny us what little voice of pro-active power we have left. thanks.

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They treat employees very very poorly. I was actually harassed by a manager when I went in to apply. Suppose I probably should have reported that...

I will never darken their doors again.

where possible- and will mention this to others as well. However, my thoughts are that along with boycotting and the limited power that has, we need to compile a list of the small companies that are not repub, and could use our business. Maybe somebody is already compiling that list, dunno. It would be extremely empowering to have a list of good alternatives to the corporate muckrakers.

plus a lot of their regular, non priority mail.

Using the post office more will just give FedEx more business.

you give money to USPS first, they get a cut.
FedEx then gets a smaller cut.
UPS likely gets nothing.

If you go straight to UPS then UPS gets either all or first cut.

If you go straight to FedEx then FedEx gets either all or first cut.

If you focus on USPS solely then USPS gets all or first cut of what could have been all FedEx's. And UPS is likely to get nothing.

Remember -- united we stand, divided we fall. it also applies to our enemies. divide them. let them scramble for our money.

In the scenario you portray UPS most likely will be hurt deeply. FedEx will survive, but are getting just fragments of sales that could've been theirs. Good, one enemy down, another dependent on partial sales. Leave them quibbling amongst themselves, not us quibbling amongst ourselves.

besides putting a lot minorities out of work.

already a bunch of minorities are out of work. already things are pretty bad.

shall i stand here with impotent rage and do nothing?

shall i invoke revolutionary violence? (i don't believe in it now)

all you are offering is caution. cool. caution is good. thanks. i happen to disagree and find that the overall plan i offered has great potential.

i believe you to be insightful, though. so i strongly urge you to produce something we can *do*. talk is cheap and now we need action. i would gladly assist in constructive criticism with you if you ever need to bounce ideas around. i await your plan.
:D

ALPA endorsed Kerry.

Not sure if the Teamsters did too (UPS).

But then, I guess the unions are just more dead weight 'we' democrats can't afford to carry anymore.

Kerry was very pro-union...I worry now...

aren't Teamsters they've got there own little union, just them.

Still They are UNION!