Scary reader comment on BBC News regarding Falluja

I just have to share the love...

There should be an assault on Falluja. The insurgents have proven time and again that they are not capable of responding to anything other than lethal force. The US marines have shown remarkable restraint by not flattening the city months ago but enough is enough. Every chance at diplomacy has ended in lies, betrayal and insults from the insurgents who hide in Holy shrines like rats. I do not believe there is the least bit of honesty or honour in their hearts. If the UN does not approve of the US methods why don't they send troops to Iraq and show us how it is done? They have such a wonderful track record in Africa after all.
John, San Antonio, TX, USA

There, you see, we've show remarkable restraint by not flattening the city. And you thought we were being heavy handed about the whole thing. Bah!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/talking_point/3987361.stm

we've really been taking it easy on 'em huh?

How DARE they fight against the INVADERS and CONQUERERS of their nation!!!

If WE were INVADED and OCCUPIED, WE wouldn't fight!

WE would lick their boots, and kiss the asses of the people who invaded us!

NOT.

Except the coward chickenshit freeping rightwingnuts.

you can bet your fucking ass who would be fighting..

I'd welcome them with candy and roses....
The food would get a whole lot better and our culture might be something more then "Lets Make a Deal"

:D

;)

dg

reminds me of the story told in The Mission, which I saw yesterday for the first time. Jesuits in 1750s South America try to convert the native tribes to Christianity. Some are true Christians with good intentions, others purely mercenary. But in the end it is the Church who usurps the good, if perhaps misguided, works Father Gabriel is doing with the Guarani (sp?) tribes by leading a horrific massacre.

To paraphrase John from San Antonio, in The Mission, "every chance at diplomacy" on the part of Father Gabriel ends in "lies, betrayal and insults from the (bishops) who hide in Holy shrines like rats" and who ultimately commit genocide in God's name.

Just my opinion.

To a degree that surprised me. Powerful good, that flick.

I showed it to my parents (in the 1980's) and said "do you see why I CANNOT support the Contras?" It was eye-opening for me...the whole damned Iran-Contra thing was exploding then, and NOBODY was paying attention!!

Father Gabriel was aligned with the Guarani, for THEM - not for the church, or for politicians (it was Spain vs. Portugal, claiming territories in South America). The mission was a place of sanctuary, keeping the indians safe from the slave traders. (=Pacifists)

But the mercenaries were fighting for themselves, and their own right to self-determination. Some priests joined them in a righteous war. The Church, for purely political reasons, decided to disband and abandon the mission so the Portugese could invade and resume their slave-trade. Father Gabriel remained true to his mission (in both senses of the word), continuing to worship, even in the midst of destruction.

Thanks for the reminder of this powerful movie. Time to get it out and watch again.

Southerners never got over losing the Civil War. They have gotten their revenge whenever they have been able to take it. And now their culture has become the dominant one in the US -- outside of the urban elitist coastal areas. Blue States = Yankees.

They LOVE war. They dig violence. They see violence as the first choice of getting stuff done. They are been pissed off for decades that we did not have it all out with the "commies" -- THEY wanted another world war back in the late-50s and 60s. THEY wanted to utterly destroy Viet Nam. They wish to obliterate from the face of the earth anyone who dares go against their "honor" and manhood -- which is why they are always raising these screams that we must have no mercy on our enemies. It's all about "honor" to them -- not whether it is a worthwhile cause, or a necessary war, or that their tactics are unworthy of civilized nations. We YANKEES, we citizens of civilized nations, do think about such matters.

They ridicule our concern over the deaths of civilians. They scoff at our analysis as to the root causes of the insurgency. All they want is KILL KILL KILL! It is a very primitive instinct that their culture has no brakes on.

And now -- they want to kill all Muslims. Yes, Colin Powell may have to try and lie his way out of this embarassment to our nation, but the fact is that, yes, Virginia, Osama is right -- many Americans do in fact seek the death of Muslims. They don't care how Muslims die -- they just want them to die, because they will not stand for any challenge to their "honor" and masculinity.

These are the people who thought torturing people at Abu Ghraib was okay, that there was nothing wrong with it.

Interesting note on the Abu Ghraib thing -- a couple of the major players in the scandal are from western Pennsylvania. Not from "Fort Pittsburgh" (I am increasingly thinking of urban areas as fortresses to be defended against wacko-Americans), but from the "Heartland" that smirky loves to invoke in his speeches. One was Grainer -- one of the main sadists and the guy who inpregnated Lynndie England. The other guy was the whistleblower -- Joseph Darby. And guess what? Guess who is the target of vandalism and outrage in their community? If you guess Grainer, you're wrong! It is Joseph Darby who is the target of fury and reprisals. THIS is what REAL Heartland values are. Fucking hypocrites!

Anyway -- look for the war in Iraq to go utterly savage. Wacko-Americans gave him a mandate to unleash hell upon Iraq, and all Muslims. There is nothing to hold smirky back now.

and every other news station this week. The absolute garbage poured out by them is astounding.
For a couple of years I've subscribed to different web sites and receive daily email updates that never appear in national news coverage. This week was enough for me ... no more politically guided news for me.

In my world there are very few individuals who have a single comment to make on world issues ... particularly Iraq - and definately so with regard to post- US elections.
They simply don't know anything other than what national news want them to know.
It seems that unless one gathers information from independant internet sources you just aint gonna know anything ... well ... except what's happening to footballers, or surveys informing us that 62.5% of workers suffer from work stress ... and of course the WEATHER updates !!!
Nope ... No more television news for me !

I've had it off since the night of the election. I can get my weather forecast from the weather channel. Everything else I can get from DU, or pick and choose what I want to read in the paper.

isn't it simply a matter of time before they are forced to surrender thus not bombing hundreds of thousands and maybe saving a few troops lives ? Of course this administration doesn't do patience.

On second thought, we would probably just torture them to death anyway. Rumsfeld doesn't like POWS or body count s.

"We had to destroy the village in order to save it."

As I recall.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20041106/ts_nm/iraq_falluja_bombing_dc&cid=564&ncid=1480

A small hospital funded by a Saudi Arabian Islamic charity in the central Nazzal district was reduced to rubble. Only its facade, with a sign reading Nazzal Emergency Hospital, remained intact. Reuters pictures showed blue surgical cloths and empty medicine boxes amid earth and brick ruins.

A nearby compound used by the main Falluja Hospital to store medical supplies was also destroyed, witnesses said.

Hospital officials confirmed all its contents were ruined.

I guess this is what Jesus would do.