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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 11:13 AM
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"The Unspeakable Truth of Unmentionable Horrors"


"The Unspeakable Truth of Unmentionable Horrors" - Klepto

You are a robot. You are a product of your environment. Since birth you have been programmed. None of your thoughts are your own.

The minute you are born someone else has influence on you. Your parents try to instill their values upon you. Your teachers try to pass on their knowledge and morals. Your friends and their parents give you their opinions. Have you ever had an original thought? You read books. You read the news. You watch the news. You are the news. It's old news. There hasn't been an original thought in years.

Free thinkers are not dangerous. There are no free thinkers. We all think within are given parameters. Millions of programs, organized neatly within a spherical hard drive.

You are not unique. You are a robot. Think about it...

http://www.riverfoam.com/docs/klepto_horror.htm
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wtf?
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 11:17 AM
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1. Here is proof
When I, or people like me, are running the country, you'd better flee, because we will find you, we will try you, and we'll execute you. I mean every word of it. I will make it part of my mission to see to it that they are tried and executed.
-- Randall Terry, Operation Rescue, to doctors who perform abortions, August 8, 1995

We are to make Bible-obeying disciples of anybody that gets in our way.
-- Jay Grimstead, February, 1987

God, we proclaim death to anything or anyone that will lift a hand against this network and this ministry that belongs to You, God. It is Your work, it is Your idea, it is Your property, it is Your airwaves, it is Your world, and we proclaim death to anything that would stand in the way of God's great voice of proclamation to the whole world. In the Name of Jesus, and all the people said Amen!
-- Paul Crouch, Trinity Broadcasting Network, November 7, 1997

Unless we get medically lucky, in three or four years, one of the options discussed will be the extermination of homosexuals.
-- Discredited Christian "researcher" Paul Cameron, 1985 Conservative Political Action Conference

Read the parable of the Wheat and the Tares in Matthew 13:24-30 and you will see that at the end of this age the angels are sent forth to remove evil from the earth. That word 'angels' also means 'messengers.' So God may use some of us to finish up the work of this age.
-- Paul Crouch, Praise the Lord Newsletter, March, 1994

Our goal is a Christian nation. We have a biblical duty, we are called on by God to conquer this country. We don't want equal time. We don't want pluralism.
-- Randall Terry, Operation Rescue, August 16, 1993

The long-term goal of Christians in politics should be to gain exclusive control over the franchise. Those who refuse to submit publicly to the eternal sanctions of God by submitting to His Church's public marks of the covenant -- baptism and holy communion -- must be denied citizenship, just as they were in ancient Israel.
-- Gary North, Political Polytheism: The Myth of Pluralism

Nobody has the right to worship on this planet any other God than Jehovah. And therefore the state does not have the responsibility to defend anybody's pseudo-right to worship an idol.
-- Rev. Joseph Morecraft, Chalcedon Presbyterian Church, August 31, 1993

Tolerance is the worst roar of all, including tolerance for homosexuals, feminists, and religions that don't follow Christ.
-- Josh McDowell, 1994 Youth for Christ rally

I want you to just let a wave of intolerance wash over you. I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good.
-- Randall Terry, Operation Rescue, August 16, 1993

It is the stated goal of orthodox Christianity to preach the gospel of salvation in Christ to the Jews, until not a trace of the traditional practices of Judaism remains.
-- Gary North, Institute for Christian Economics

AIDS is the wrath of a just God against homosexuals. To oppose it would be like an Israelite jumping in the Red Sea to save one of Pharoah's chariotiers.
-- Jerry Falwell

We're going to bring back God and the Bible and drive the gods of secular humanism right out of the public schools of America.
-- Pat Buchanan, campaign address at an anti-gay rally in Des Moines, Iowa, February 11, 1996

Salvi deserves a medal. He's a hero.
-- New Hampshire anti-choice activist Andrew Cabot, referring to to John C. Salvi III, who murdered two and injured five other employees at two Massachusetts abortion clinics in 1994, New Hampshire Sunday News, January 1, 1995

We love you. Thank you for what you have done in the name of Jesus. As long as the deed is done to save innocent babies being put to death, any action to save those babies... is moral and just.
-- Donald Spitz of Pro-Life Virginia, praising convicted abortion-clinic murderer John Salvi, Washington Post, January 2, 1995

We... do officially declare war on the child-killing industry...every pro-life person should commit to destroying at least one death camp or disarming at least one baby killer.
-- Army of God Manual, 70-page manual on methods of killing abortion providers and forcibly closing women's health centers. Kansas City Star, February 25, 1997

If you think abortion is murder, act like it.
-- Randall Terry, Operation Rescue, US News and World Report, January 14, 1994

More violence is inevitable, and it is righteous... It wouldn't bother me if every abortionist in the country today fell dead from a bullet.
-- Charles Roy McMillan, Executive Director, Christian Action Group, Jackson, Mississippi, Time March 27, 1995
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 11:22 AM
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5. Okay I'm scared
but that ain't gonna stop me.
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 11:27 AM
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7. Nor
should it.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 12:02 PM
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18. reading shit like that kept me home from work yesterday
We're right to be scared. I'm a little extra scared because I'm gay.

My stomach has been in knots all week now that I know people like this have the official and receptive ear of power. I feel like I'm wearing a target on my back.
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 12:06 PM
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21. Everybody, with a soul, is scared.
These be monsters.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 01:28 PM
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24. Do not be afraid.
Do not be afraid. Do be concerned.

Ever since we were itty-bitty babies, we have been lied to. The foundations of western society are built upon lies. Many of us really have little idea of who we are, because we have been lied to for so long.

The "leaders" of this great lie believe that they can control hatred. But they can not. They are out of control, and are acting out in ways that are in opposition to the fundamental laws of nature, and they will soon find that these fundamental laws of nature are the universal laws that in sum total we call "God." There is a consequence for those who are out of control in their violating the universal laws.

People do not control love. It is a universal force that can transform our lives. Love is the first law of nature; it is the very foundation of Universal Law, or "God." The great masters of human history have all taught the same basic lesson: love. And more, these masters all teach what the Buddha and Jesus taught: "Do Not Be Afraid."

In the early days of human existence, the wisest men and women learned from observing nature a series of truths that every culture had a variation of. These are the Original Instructions. All of the tribal leaders brought them from the Mountain Top to the masses. They were interpreted according to peoples' environment and culture. For example, people in the archtic are not going to see God as a sheep herder; and the stories of the buffalo that the Lakota learned as children were not shared in the equatorial rain forests.

We need to re-learn these Original Instructions within the context of our environment and culture. God is not dead or separated from us by 2000 years. The Universal Laws have not been suspended.

Do not be afraid.
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 01:41 PM
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25. It's an atavistic fear -I wrote this when I was grieving: Political Swirl
Edited on Sat Nov-06-04 02:01 PM by indigobusiness
In spite of the model lesson of water down a drain, dominant American politics spins in a dyslexic wrong-turn vortex independent of truth, dependent on a reversal of the planetary whirl to change. Nothing short of alchemy can alter this. Physics is beginning to show that we choose our own reality, and we have chosen this one. May God have mercy on us all... Like it or not, He is firmly entrenched in this - now more than ever.

Nothing is more mystifying to the losing side of the equation than how this perplexing path found its way under our feet, and how we arrived at this peculiar place upon it. This will be the topic underlying all the rancorous bickering and backbiting that guarantees to reach levels inversely proportionate to the depths we have sunk.

How many buckets of blood will it take? How many foreclosures, bankruptcies, broken families, homeless children, men gone postal? How much stark reality will it take before the light of truth forces its way into the fogged notions and delusional perspective that dominate the picture our leaders portray?

We have become a land guided by propagandists, charlatans, and dangerously misguided fools. Pumped up by the smoke they send up our shorts. Inflated and full of false bravado, preaching fear and the false promise that salvation lies in hating in superior ways. Pretending to love, all the while. But, hating has never been the long suit of true champions...has it? Certainly not fear? And pretending to love is the coldest chill of all. We know that much...don't we? Somewhere deep within the soul of the people, THIS, surely, has not been lost. If THIS somehow has been squandered, in our heady side trip through this ornate yet vacant new wilderness, we truly do have something to fear. And we are, in fact, lost.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 02:00 PM
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27. I remember a story I was told
as a little boy. It's a "Long House" story. There was a giant asleep in his bed, when his Long House caught on fire. People went in and tried to pick him up, but he was a giant, and far too heavy. So they tried to push his bed out, but it was too large. The flames were spreading, and people began to panic. They were afraid, and did not know what to do. But then the giant's mother came, and said, "Wake him up, and he'll get out of the burning house himself."

We only need to wake the giant. And, to be honest, if things were not exactly as bad as you say (and they may actually be a little worse), then when we wake the giant, he would likely prefer to go back to sleep.

I am not saying everything is okay, because it is surely not. But I will say to you, without any chance of being wrong, that things are exactly as bad as they need to be for us to do that which needs to be done. Today is exactly what it is, because yesterday was exactly what it was. Everyone with insight knows that each day is a consequence of that which occured before; thus said, tomorrow will be a consequence of today, and remarkably like yesterday, unless we change. Today. Only conscious change here and now can impact tomorrow, and create positive change. Conscious activity requires waking the giant.

Do not be afraid.
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 02:18 PM
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29. I do understand that in the long view balance will be restored.
Lessons are often best learned by such stories.

My wisdom was shown to be sorely lacking when I thought 911 would serve as the wake-up call required.

So...I fear.

The suffering and degradation of the shorter term astride my own meager efforts of opposition is where most of my fear resides. Am I doing enough? Can I do more? What should I do?

The bigger picture isn't fearsome, just sad.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 04:32 PM
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30. At risk of sounding like a senile old man .....
Isn't that always the question? What more can I do? What can we do? And doesn't that presume that there IS something to be done? As if all would change if just a few DID that something?

Listen to an old fool: In this country, there is this huge split which is causing ungodly suffering, and I can say -- again without the slightest chance of being wrong -- that things are going to get much, much worse .... but on each side, we find a reflection of the other: if only the (democrates/republicans) hadn't done this; if only we had done that; the UN is putting computer chips on road signs to prepare for the invasion (right-wing paranoia); 9-11 was the neocons! (left-wing paranois);it's the goddamned (rich/poor) that cause all the problems; Vietnam was (noble/evil)and all veterans are, too; and on and on. We are democrats, republicans, liberals, conservatives, Catholics, Methodists, Buddhists, atheists, we're black, white, red, yellow, we are Afro-Americans, Irish-Americans, Latinos, rich, poor, and on and on.

In truth, my friend, those things can only keep us divided and living on this remarkably low level of the human potential. Why is it that we have the technological ability to invent any gadget the mind can imagine, but lack the wholesome self-discipline to keep from killing our environment? Why is it that we face an oil crisis in 2007 that will rersult in unanticipated changes in our culture, and what we believe is a never-ending "American way of life"? Why is it that this president, when he found a $5 trillion surplus, spent it faster than a stubble-bum would spent a $20 winning lottery ticket at the corner liquor store?

Because western culture pays no serious attention to the level of being in its individual life, its public life, or for that matter, in their leaders lives. In order to do more, we must become more .... and it is as simple as that. Good Lord, if I decided I wanted to run a marathon, I could not simply go off and do it; it takes at very least months and months of dedicated training and disciplined hard work. Yet it is far easier to run that marathon than to address the problems we are confronted with today. Because a limo delivers Bush to the finish line, the public has assumed he has the dedication and discipline to run this race.

In our country, it is not only possible, but it is indeed fashionable for a person to be a lawyer, a teacher, a politician, a musician, or a talking head on Fox TV, and to still be of the lowest moral order .... to be a snake. And we have the snakes leading our padraics out of the country.

(I get carried away in the late afternoon!)

But in answer to your question: for all of us who seriously wonder what else we can do, or should do? It is not simply more of the same. It's not. Instead, it is to recognize that to do more, we must be more, and to be more, we must be willing to sacrifice much of what we have been taught in our culture that it is good to be.
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 05:03 PM
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31. You don't sound senile...
just old. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

It's interesting how we characterise similar concepts in different ways. The fool's game of building mightily on false foundations, whether diabolically intentional or not, is a recipe for failure. Even if the dark, underlying motive is to fail, and parlay the failure.

My belief is that the corrupt are hung by their own rope. But, the troublesome contemporary condition is the gestalt is doomed to dischordance by the prevalence of noise. It drowns out the music and leaves the symphony a cherished dream.

We will remain lost until we collectively search for a meaningful path. We've had all the road signs at our disposal all along. And still, we can't find our way. Insisting on hacking our way through the jungle, with bigger and bigger knives, just gets us further into the jungle. Where we will all die.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 10:39 AM
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38. I think that it is encouraging
to see how the attitude has changed in the past 36 hours on DU. Yes, we are up against it. It will take our best effort to survive the very real challenges of the day. To make our best effort, we have to be at our best....which sounds obvious, but it actually is something that this culture discourages.

The republican campaign commercials, but for an obvious example, showed the world to be a frightening place, where we were only safe when we trust Bush with all things .... all responsibility .... whereas Kerry - to an extent - campaigned on the JFK idea that the American people were being called to this hour .... which means simply that we decide if we have an external or internal locus of control. When the danger of the darkness is greatest, then the majority of the voters appear to have reverted to herd instinct, and wanted someone else to think and decide for them.

If we are to change that, and changing it is required in order to save democracy, then we need to turn the lights on .... just the same as a parent does for a small child who is afraid of the dark in heir bedroom .... and in order to turn the lights on, we must become that light .... which is the internal locus of control/power.

The biggest problem we face is that the majority of Americans fear their best potential far more than they fear their worst potential. They will almost always stay somewhere in between these two potentials.
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 01:51 PM
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39. My mood keeps ebbing and flowing
and I keep coming back to reread your posts to cure my vertigo. This swirling vortex of uncertainty is palpably real. Some of the cries I've heard are ripping at my underpinnings. Navigating these waters will be tricky, to say the least. Crisis/Opportunity.

Didn't you once tell me you had Algonquin or Iroquois roots?
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 02:22 PM
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40. Yes.
My family is a wonderful mixture of Irish, Susquehannock, African, and Asian. When people are discouraged and say, "We're still right here where we started," being a Water Man allows me to see that as a very positive thing. Most native people's culture has been destroyed, but we're right here where we started. (grin)
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 02:34 PM
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42. What a spicy blend!
Man, I am glad you are carrying the torch.
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 01:55 PM
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26. H2O Man, you and I are precisely on the same page on this...it seems
You just have a better way of expressing it.

Once again, I'm awed.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 02:03 PM
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28. I believe we do see it
the same. I do not accept that I have a better way of expressing it. We are part of the same team, and as such, compliment each other. But I sure do appreciate your compliments! (grin)
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 07:23 PM
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32. My compliments
are sincere.
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jjanpundt Donating Member (284 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 11:41 AM
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11. I dunno, maybe we can put all of the people
mentioned in your post and all of the leaders of every organized religion into one large room and let them tear themselves apart over their beliefs. Without the drip, drip of their bigotry maybe some of their followers would return to some semblance of sanity.
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 11:53 AM
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13. Sometimes it seems
the lifeboat is being swamped.
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okieinpain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 11:54 AM
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14. so how come we didn't play this commerical during the campaign
it would have been very effective.
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 11:59 AM
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16. That's the $64 question.
Perhaps, we were too caught up in Jeopardy?
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 12:00 PM
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17. I am horrified.
What is to stop them, now that they believe "god" has put their messiah in office again?
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 12:04 PM
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20. It's the sickest joke.
I guess we're their punchline?
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 10:36 AM
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37. the truth is, when you are born, you are a whole person
you have likes and dislikes, and you have opinions about your environment, as well as needs. Anyone who doesn't think babies are emotionally expressive has never spent time around a baby.

When you read these quotes there is an incredible amount of rage in them. And I believe, and will keep saying til the day I die, that these folks are full of rage BECAUSE the child in them, the person they were born as and born to be, was systematically murdered growing up, either over time or in one incident(s) of sexual abuse. They are pathologically full of rage because of this, and their opposition to abortion is about THEM, they over-identify with that fetus because they have NO OTHER OUTLET for expression of their childhool trauma and soul murder. Add to that an old book (if everything old in our society was treated with such veneration, senior citizens would live like kings) of historical fiction that justifies hatred and makes them feel vindicated, then it's like throwing a lit match on gasoline.
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manic expression Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 02:28 PM
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41. Just because a bunch of fascists
and bigots cannot think beyond their boundaries does not make everyone 'robots'. Most people do not bother to think creatively or critically, but that does not mean they do not possess the means to. We need to always pursue realization of the truth, which will end in the embodiment of all that is real.
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puddycat Donating Member (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 11:19 AM
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2. so what's the cute cow picture signify? that we are all cattle?
Edited on Sat Nov-06-04 12:05 PM by puddycat
We may be cattle, but I'm not about to walk willingly into the slaughterhouse for *
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 11:22 AM
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4. Get up
Stand up
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 11:20 AM
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3. The Unspeakable Truth
The Unspeakable Truth


Unspeakable desires and temptuous thoughts
Creating needs I can't begin to explain
Things I want to do when I can finally touch you
Caress and explore the warmth of your flesh
To hold back just enough to make things compound
Pushing things to the beautiful point where we can't possibly stand it any more
To cave into desire and finally be able to indulge
Lascivious loss of control and restraint
A blissful state where thought becomes both impossible and irrelivant
Reduced to the most primal of conditions
Communication and consciousness only through sensation
An overwhelming desire and need to lose one's self
And become but a tribute to our lusts and wants.


http://mabelrode.diaryland.com/tut.html
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 11:26 AM
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6. The Unspeakable Truth - What Bush dares not say about North Korea
The question is on everyone's mind: Why is President Bush rushing into war with Iraq yet hanging loose on North Korea? Why is pre-emptive attack necessary against a country that's crawling with U.N. inspectors while nonchalant containment suffices against the world's most insular, ruthless regime, which is also openly building long-range missiles and atom bombs? Kim Jong-il's winter-solstice pop-up surprise has certainly put Bush in an awkward box. With the U.N. inspectors reporting to the Security Council by the end of the month (and, not coincidentally, U.S. troops by then fully mobilized), this should be a time for Bush to tie up loose ends, shore up the leery, and convey a clarity of purpose. Instead, even his most stalwart allies are starting to wonder about his priorities.

In fact, there are reasons for favoring military confrontation with Iraq but not with North Korea—some of them are even good reasons—but most of them can't easily be discussed in public, not by officials anyway, without setting off further contradictions and alarm bells.


http://slate.msn.com/id/2076468
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 11:32 AM
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8. An uncomfortable, unspeakable truth
An uncomfortable, unspeakable truth
Sasha Gear
"I don't know if you've seen Yizo Yizo?" asks Morris (not his real name), a recently released ex-prisoner who has spent close to three decades in South African prisons. He is explaining to us how inmates can tell which of the newcomers have been coerced into "Cape Town". "Cape Town" is a term used in prison lingo to refer to anal sex. "Youngsters who have undergone that, they change their style of walking, you saw it in Yizo Yizo" he says.

The recent outcry over the screening of a prison rape on Yizo Yizo suggests widespread denial about the reality of sexual abuse in South African men's prisons. But those who have any knowledge of life in these prison are only too aware that sexual violence and varying levels of sexual coercion do occur.

For many, however, these facts represent an uncomfortable, unspeakable truth. Yizo Yizo rudely exposed the unspeakable, and provided Morris with a welcome reference to draw on in describing to unversed outsiders, the nature of sex in our prisons. More recently the BBC documentary "Killers Don't Cry" makes burying our heads in the sands of macho myth, more difficult still. Although not a focus of the documentary, we hear, from the mounths of gang leaders, that rape is a gang practice.

Gangs are one vehicle for providing people in prison with the power to coerce or persuade others into sex. Gang-rape is used by some gangs, as a recruitment tool and a means of punishment. In addition, rights to sex are defined relative to gang hierarchies. High ranking members may be entitled to sex, while new recruits and other vulnerables are forced to become their sex slaves.

snip

http://www.csvr.org.za/articles/artgear1.htm
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 11:36 AM
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9. The Unspeakable Malady
Edited on Sat Nov-06-04 11:37 AM by indigobusiness

It’s 3:45 a.m. as I write this. I’m drunk, and I have a hemorrhoid. This might seem like some sort of strange artistic opening to an autobiographical story about something other than my hemorrhoid, but unfortunately for you dear reader it is not. This is a story about my ass and the god forsaken burst blood vessel inside of it.
I shouldn’t have opened like this, but It’s late and I feel no need to edit what I write at this point. My ass hurts. I’ve found that hemorrhoids are useful in that sense.
"I can’t lift that…my ass hurts",
"I would love to help you move this weekend, but my ass hurts."
"I truly would drive you home tonight, but I have a hemorrhoid."
"Sex would be great right now honey, but you see, I have a swollen painful purple thing inside my asshole that feels like Satan’s pitchfork when I show any sign of exertion."

I woke up today at about twelve p.m. I had a late night so I shouldn’t have awakened until about 1:30, but I felt a peculiar stress in my ass. I knew immediately what it was but paid no attention. I have had this little bastard since I was eighteen, but it was just an embarrassing characteristic of my anus that I ignored because…
A) It didn’t hurt.
B) I assumed it was part of growing up. Just like puberty and genital warts.

Everyone in my immediate family has had (or currently has) hemorrhoids. The women have them mostly from pregnancy, although my aunt has never had a child and sites hemorrhoids as part of her disparity. At any rate I was raised listening to most of them bitch about their asses during my childhood. My father, for instance, had a particularly nasty bunch removed surgically and was basically crippled during the healing process. My most vivid memory of this is when he was sitting down on a chair in my Grandparents living room and my grandfather was calling him to the kitchen for some trivial task. My mother became angry and said out loud ‘Doesn’t he understand he has hemorrhoids?"

http://www.hackwriters.com/unspeakable.htm
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 11:40 AM
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10. THE UNSPEAKABLE To get at the truth, is torture or coercion ever justified
Message to the handful of men in U.S. custody who may have intimate knowledge of al Qaeda's terrorist operations: "We have ways of making you talk -- we just can't use any of them."

The reported silence of the men being held as material witnesses -- and our fear of new waves of terrorist attacks -- has begun to trigger a previously unthinkable debate about U.S. taboos on coercive techniques of interrogation.

For starters, a surprising number of criminal experts say it's time to talk about letting interrogators inject key recalcitrant witnesses with "truth serum." Some investigators are mulling the notion of extraditing them to countries where authorities have no qualms about subjecting suspects to a ruthless third degree.

And while torture likely will remain officially off-limits on U.S. soil, Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz -- one of the country's leading civil libertarians -- suggests creating a mechanism where U.S. judges could approve domestic "torture warrants" if they're convinced such tactics could thwart an imminent attack.

"Everybody says they're opposed to torture. But everyone would do it personally if they knew it could save the life of a kidnapped child who had only two hours of oxygen left before death. And it would be the right thing to do," said Dershowitz.


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2001/11/18/IN238544.DTL
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 11:50 AM
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12. Unspeakable Truths - Facing the Challenge of Truth Commissions
The Margins of Truth



Priscilla Hayner is, very likely, the world's most expert writer on 'truth commissions'. This book is a follow-up on the article '15 Truth Commissions', published in the Human Rights Quarterly, which was the first systematic review of the issue up to the mid-1990s. This book deals with dozens of examples up to 1999. Hayner describes how truth commissions are being established.How they operate under very different mandates, e.g. on presidential order, by parliamentary decision, under U.N. auspices, or as a judicial commission of enquiry. How some commissions deal with a large pattern of abuses, such as in Soutth Africa, and others have been concerned with selected violations only, such as the 'disappearances' which were the subject matter of the Argentine commission. How these commissions report, or do not report, on their findings. How commissions are concerned with, or show less than the necessary concern for, the victims. Much of Hayners observations are based on interviews with those directly involved in these commissions. The book has a couple of very useful appendices, where one can compare the mandate, membership, dates, operations, findings, and other characteristics. A few points of criticism are due too. Hayner's book may be the first of its scope, but it is not really, contrary to what is said in the Introduction, the first on the subject. A more serious point is that Hayner deals with these commissions rather as a standard concept. In fact, the commissions have shown wide divergencies and quite a few, if not the majority, may after all be considered less than an outright success. Hayner's optimism about future commissions may be somewhat misleading. It seems at present not at all sure that there is a sound future for truth commissions, the more so as the issue of national and international trials for those responsible has gained prominence in recent years.

http://www.book-info.com/asin/0415924782.htm?ID=CuQTzh3gYVIdkn4d
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 12:45 PM
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22. Unspeakable Truths: Confronting State Terror and Atrocity
Unspeakable Truths: Confronting State Terror and Atrocity
Priscilla Hayner


The programme director of the International Centre for Transitional Justice in New York has produced a scholarly yet compellingly written review of the 21 official truth commissions established around the world since 1974 to document state crimes and to address concepts of reparation, reconciliation, and reform.

Hayner starts with an anecdote. "Do you want to remember, or to forget?" she asked a Rwandan government official who had lost every single member of his family in the 1994 genocide. He replied, "We must remember what happened in order to keep it from happening again. But we must forget the feelings that go with it. It is only by forgetting that we are able to go on."

Paying particular attention to the truth commissions established in South Africa (the only one to hold public hearings), Argentina, Chile, El Salvador, and Guatemala, Hayner examines assumptions that giving victims the chance to speak offers a healing catharsis, and that truth leads to reconciliation.

Some cases run the other way. In Mozambique, the accepted, though largely unstated, belief was "the less we dwell on the past, the more likely reconciliation will be." In a country where one million civilians had been tortured, maimed, or murdered, there were virtually no calls for accountability and punishment, and traditional healing mechanisms (which do not include talking about traumatic experiences) were deployed extensively at the grass roots. In Cambodia, there was a fear of talking about a still contentious period, not least since many prominent people had once been affiliated with the Khmer Rouge, and Cambodian Buddhism teaches that reconciliation does not require retribution and justice.

Trade offs between truth and justice were typical. The Guatemalan minister of defence made the position clear in 1994: "We support a truth commission. Just like in Chile: truth, but no trials." In El Salvador, the parliament passed a sweeping amnesty into law just five days after the truth commission report was published, bearing out the pessimism of the peasant farmer who much earlier had told Hayner that he wouldn't be giving testimony because "I would lose a day of work and nothing would change."

Truth commissions inevitably raise expectations that can only partially be met. None the less, their work in Chile and Argentina paved the way for financial reparations for the families of victims, in El Salvador promoted crucial judicial reforms, and in South Africa comprehensively demolished almost any defence of the apartheid era.

This book tackles the questions that will not go away (and in the United Kingdom have been played out in the Bloody Sunday inquiry, which is a kind of truth commission). Arguably the core effect of truth commissions is to create a major narrative within societal memory, but whether this makes a long term difference is another matter. When Hayner queries whether a democratic society can be built on a foundation of a denied or forgotten history, I think of her own nation: the United States arose out of the near genocide of "Indian" civilisation in North America.



Derek Summerfield, psychiatrist.
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 11:57 AM
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15. Unspeakable Truths and Happy Endings
Part One: THE HELPING HAND STRIKES AGAIN

Many survivors of human cruelty are living proof that not all stories end happily. And the possibility of unhappy endings to true stories with innocent protagonists is an unspeakable truth too personally threatening for almost anyone to acknowledge. Desperate to hear a happy ending when there is none to be heard, friends, family, and even therapists often blame survivors for failing to manufacture one.

http://www.sidran.org/contents.html
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 12:03 PM
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19. Truth III


The painting contains the following words and phrases:

What kind of truth and for whom?

The establishment of objective truth is part of the struggle for the control of history?

The partial, indeterminate, shifting truths of the post-modernists, or the objective truths of the moralists?

coded truth misrepresentation factual truth evasion


concealment descriptive truth


categorical truth the whole truth elusive truth


fundamental truth definitive truth hidden truth


falsehood deception untruth

fabrication moral relativism hidden truth


absolute truth obfuscation agreed truth


lie cleansing truth disputed truth


objective truth distortion confessional truth partial truth


contradictory truth comprehensive truth


naming the names unspeakable truth manipulated truth


logical truth compromised truth

http://www.studiogeorgette.com/images/truthiii1.htm
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 01:10 PM
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23. DOSSIER OF THOUGHTS dare to speak the unspeakable truth
Edited on Sat Nov-06-04 01:17 PM by indigobusiness
Dossier of thoughts is a collection of writings that manifest from the soul. It is an expression of the unconventional and alternative thoughts challenging the conventional and established philosophies and belief systems of our societies.

The conventional consciousness conforms to the accepted norm of the mass consciousness. The conventional system has conditioned and set the blueprint of our mindset to think within the box of the accepted schools of thoughts. The unconventional method is an uncommon and radical approach that breaks the barrier to think out of the box and expand one’s consciousness beyond.

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SEXUALITY
Philosophy of Nudity and Sex
Sex: The Motivation and Continuum of Life

RELIGION/SPIRITUALITY
The Carnage of Priest-craft
Religion: The Cult Of Orthodoxy
Mental Blockade: Spiritual Stagnation


PHILOSOPHY
Essence Of Thoughts


SOON TO BE RELEASE
Paradox of Religion: Truth or Myth?
The Truth of Truth
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Both methods are standpoints of truth. Truth is a subjective viewpoint from a state of consciousness. Truth exists in states of duality for there is neither truth nor falsity at opposing points of truths. Viewed from a state of consciousness, truth is therefore a paradox. Truth is not static for truth shifts when consciousness evolves.


Conventional philosophy steadfastly defends its standpoints of truth and rejects differing standpoints of truths. The unconventional philosophies respects the differing states of consciousness and that truth in not one viewpoint but the recognition of a three-hundred-and-sixty degree all encompassing viewpoints.

The unconventional thought challenges repression that contained the mindset within the box and stands for the rights and freedom of the individual to expression and the expansion of consciousness by breaking the blockade out of the mental box.


Where people refrain to speak the truth against the conventional order, the unconventional wisdom dare challenge to speak the unspeakable truth.

http://www.patricksuniverse.com/DossierOfThoughts/main.html
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 01:00 AM
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33. Philosophy of Nudity and Sex
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 10:26 AM
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34. FOR CHILLDREN Who Were Broken it is very hard to mend......

Our pain was rarely spoken
and we hide the truth from friends.

Our parents said they loved us,
but they didn't act that way.
They broke our hearts
and stole our worth,
with the things that they would say.

We wanted them to love us.
We didn't know what we did
to make them yell at us
and hit us,
and wish we weren't their kid.

They'd beat us up and scream at us
and blame us for their lives.
Then they'd hold us close inside their arms
and tell us confusing lies
of how they really loved us --
even though we were BAD,
and how it was OUR fault they hit us,
OUR fault that they were mad.

snip

http://www.xs4all.nl/~mecano/SilverSprings/unspeakable.html
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 10:28 AM
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35. Let the Truth Ring Out!
"Listen: Your perpetrators lied to you, I promise. They are not invincible, only arrogant. They are not all powerful, or all-knowing superior beings; they are in fact, pathetic cowards who preyed upon the weak, the vulnerable, and the innocent. They lied. Your life, your truth, has always been your own. They have never owned your soul. And always, always remember: Love, truly, is more powerful, more pervasive, more relentless, than evil. This has always been so, from the beginning of time. If anyone tells you anything different, they are wrong ..."

http://www.nemasys.com/ghostwolf/truthringout/
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 10:32 AM
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36. Unspeakable Truth
Darkness
The light never touches
Where I tread
I am alone
No one seems to care
I live in a constant nightmare
My life is a living hell
The only way to escape is through my writings
It's not right
Why did the Gods think to punish me?
What did I ever do?
Nothing!
I did nothing!
I've gotten used to it . . . I guess
It still pains me to think about it though
I still hate it
The darkness is never ending
It goes on forever and ever and ever . . .
It's so vary dark where I live
No light . . .
No goodness . . .
Nothing but pain, terror, and horror . . .
It seems everyone's lives are better off then mine
It seems that goodness happens in others lives
The Gods have left them to themselves
Why couldn't they do the same for me?
Why must they torment me so?
What pleasure do they get in torturing me so?
I don't understand
I just don't get it
Why must I be the one to live in darkness?
Why must I live in a constant nightmare?
Why must my life be a living hell?
What sick humor those Gods have . . .
They think it's fun to fuck with mortal's lives
They find it funny when a mortal is pained and hurt . . .
I know . . .
I've talked to the so-called "Gods"
They told me that they thought it was funny . . .
FUNNY?!?
How could messing with my life be funny???
I just don't get it . . .
I probably never will either . . .

http://www.amateur-poems.co.uk/poems/poems.php?id=752&title=Unspeakable%20Truth
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