So what will be Kerry's next move?

He seems to have disappeared off the face of the earth. What will he do or say in response to the many reports of computer voting "glitches" - nothing? Something? Any guesses?

Mine is more along the lines of nothing. I think it will take well over a year before any investigation into voting problems is finished, and then it will all be glossed over. Meantime, Kerry will stay secluded until the senate is back in session.

Any other thoughts?

him into this fight, you know? Make it look as though he didn't lead the charge like Gore did. I think that would shut a lot on the right up if we lead the fight and Kerry "reluctantly" came out to right the wrong that is voter fraud.

Just my opinion.

before bankrupting himself/family on legal fees. Are we worth fighting for? Are we in this too? Makes much sense to me.

He probably actually won, despite all the media forces against him/us and all the bs brain washing so many people have fallen under in the past 25 years.

And yet the 'machine' took the vote and made it a lie. He can't win against that without the people in the fight demanding that the fraud be acknowledged and dealt with.

He won the election. WE have to win the count.

as far as what the 'herd' gets to see and hear etc, the repukelicans are in effect staging it for them....i hear there were several mad cow deaths in the carolinas(?) but not a word in the whoremedia (which, sorry to say, includes canada's publicly funded cbc) which last year destroyed canada's beef business due to one case found in alberta....During the '02 midterms, there were several races won by the nazipoos by EXACTLY 18181 votes....there was a fair bit of ruckus over that, but people are still amazed that Geeb (the bush family's affectionate nikname for george jr, in reference to younger brother John Ellis bush, or Jeb) won this staged contest!
btw i admit i also hoped that the vote so overwhelmingly go to kerry that bush crime famile flee the country! about 20 million americans actually voted for Geeb, far less then the 90 or so million who voted for kerry, but the battle is lost due to the crap pushed by goddam pusheman cnn/fox etc...and they just say geeb won, geeb won geeb won geeb won geeb won geeb won ad nazism

Maybe a Triple Lindy off the high board in Jamaica

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by Jenny
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The easy smile on Kerry's face as he conceeded to Bush should have made a few things clear. There are reasons why Kerry conceeded so quickly, there are reasons why he never mentioned a single instance of voter fraud or intimidation throughout the day on November 2nd as widespread evidence of disenfranchisement was surfacing (at least through independent media outlets) and there are reasons why he didn't use his concession speech as an opportunity to articulate even mild opposition to Bush policies.

The reasons are rooted in the fact that Kerry has much more allegience to elite power in the U.S. than he has or ever will have to the millions of disenfranchised and unrepresented voters in this country. Speaking out against voter fraud would carry an implicit challenge to the myth of American democracy. Why should Kerry take the risk of challenging the legitimacy of the system? He is a pro-war, neo-liberal imperialist of the millionaire class. He has nothing to lose and much to gain from another 4 years of the Bush administration.

Given this realization, it's critical that everyone, from the Democrats who actually saw kerry as an alternative to the liberals who merely wanted "anyone but Bush" conduct a serious interrogation of how the notion of "electability" dominated political discourse leading up the Democratic primaries. Many people opposed to the Bush administration's policies supported Kerry because of his so-called "electability." At the altar of "electability" many progressive people sacrificed their politics and their
self-respect. November 3rd has arrived and we are left with the
devastating failure of this logic - not only is Bush still President but national political discourse is even more entrenched around a pro-war, neo-liberal imperialism.

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What we should do is elect a homeless person, eh?

You don't get in the finals unless you are a top dog. Kerry fit that description.

This trash discounts totally the moves Kerry has made in his political career, and the idea that Kerry actually might have won if not for the stealing of the vote.

RB, I'm surprised.

I didn't want to believe it either. I actually thought John Kerry would use his connections for good. But he has obviously been compromised. We needed him to fight the rampant, easily provable fraud with the paperless, auditless e-voting machines controlled by Republican-affiliated private companies.

What else am I supposed to think?

He rolled over for a Fascist thug withoput a fight.

"Once the minority of House and Senate are comfortable in their minority status, they will have no problem socializing with the Republicans. Any farmer will tell you that certain animals run around and are unpleasant, but when they've been fixed, then they are happy and sedate. They are contented and cheerful. They don't go around peeing on the furniture and such."

Grover Norquist

Being a politician these days means being compromised. It's a bad situation which has grown out of the successful use of distortions and falsehoods such as the media has been dishing out.

But looking at the core of Kerry's values leads me to believe he is the right man to be the president. I am hoping he has something up his sleeve. I believe he is hoping we, the people, come together to right the wrong foisted upon us with the BBV. One man can only do so much, and Kerry deserves our support no matter what his personal decision is. It's in our hands now, as it should be.

There are a lot of newbies around here, so you might fool them, but I remember how you jumped on every opportunity to slam Kerry for his SnB connections. You sure didn't act like someone who didn't want to believe it. Not then, and not now.

Kill the messenger

Truthfully though, in my conversations with polticians, they don't want to admit that something might be wrong with our voting system. They won't really even entertain the idea. They think it is conspiracy theory stuff, and they will look bad if they embrace it. He is probably the same.

Man, Rove has got it made if that's the case. He can steal them from now until the end of time.

...I thought that was a great article. The thing I liked most about it, was that it laid a roadmap out on how we can survive between elections, when our leaders are running scared, and are not there to represent us. In fact, it was saying what many on these Boards have been saying. We'll have to keep progressivism alive ourselves, because those who are supposed to represent us, many times, fade away, but it is we, who are left holding the pieces. So what do we do? Stand around and look for a messiah to guide us along? Or get our shit together and start dealing with the machine we're up against. Good article.

years. He has been out there on the trail and he knows the issues we face. This concession couldn't have been easy for him, he took alot of critisism outside his own party and within. He is no quiter and he is no looser. He'll be back you can count on it.
Thats my opinion.

stuff. Perhaps that is the reason for his hesitation. But the right has always used ridicule as a strategy for getting their own way. Seems to me that if they are so confident of the results, they would not be afraid of looking more closely at all this.

I am a skeptic, myself. Perhaps I just don't want to BELIEVE that such a thing is possible in our country. But I do believe that one way or another, all of this should be thoroughly explored. What possible reason is there to NOT explore it?

AND seems to me that there must be someone, somewhere around here that could find out what Kerry is thinking about all this and why he isn't willing to OK an investigation. I know he said he didn't want to put the country through it, but it's better to know the truth. If even only 18% are questioning the results, that is too many.

They've been saying that about EVERYTHING for four years!

Did the Neocons in the White House and Pentagon, not conspire to invade Iraq based on trumped up, bullshit information? Did they not conspire to lie to congress,(even people in their own party)about the HUGE cost of Bush's Big Medicare overhaul? Those are just two conspiracies! There are probably a hundred more! People go to jail every day for conspiracy to commit crimes!

His loss was too much. It's over for the world.

I think this thing is far from over!

(Clue)What former democratic president was in charge of fixing the problems in the 2000 election?