Democracy is officially DEAD

as of Nov. 2, 2004.

I have no hope for anything anymore. Democracy died on Tuesday, the last presidential election (or should I say preselection) that was held. I never intend to vote again because I truly realize now that my vote, nor anyone else's vote that doesn't follow the PNAC plan will ever be counted.

I am receiving as I write this all of these emails from "friends" telling me to "chin-up and fight" and all of this other crap.

Not until our elections are indeed clearly legal instruments that do indeed count will it ever be worth it again.

For all of those that stood in line for hours to vote against the BFEE, you wasted your time, not that you willingly knew it. You were fooled. How does it feel?

My heart goes out to all of America. We have been bought and stolen for good.

What the next 4 years and thereafter hold (8 years of Jeb might I suggest?) will be a living hell for all that are not rich and part of *'s elite base.

So I say this to all Americans: Cover your ass the best you can. Should you decide to throw in the towel and go elsewhere, I cannot blame you.

Who the hell cares to live in a fascist regime? I for one do not look forward to it but I will not be leaving anytime soon for I cannot leave America. This "America" is the one that my father, grandfathers, siblings and partners fought for to hope for an America without end; not a fascist regime without end which is what we now have in place. It is solid and to topple it will be an effort that will exceed anything in history. Is this even possible? I think not on far too many levels as our troops are being killed and thousands of innocents await death in the Middle East.

I hate to say it, but America ended the day the Supreme Court threw the election to * in 2000. After this time, its been nothing more than a show and tell IMO.

I am thoroughly disgusted needless to say.

Here's to John F. Kerry, the coward that did not fight when the need was really there. Fuck Vietnam Kerry, that's old shit ... this is new shit and you have done absolutely nothing because you John Kerry are all part of this PNAC plan IMO. :toast: to you John Kerry because you enabled it all to happen just as planned. :grr:

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if the voting machinery is not fixed there is no reason to vote anymore.
no reason to campaign, volunteer or vote.

none.

we all thought, like good americans, that we would bide our time and work real hard and win the next one. well here it is, and we did everything right, only to find out this is not a democracy.

if there is no fight, no justice. then truly democracy is dead. truly i dont know there would be any reason to have another election. the republican corporatocracy might as well just appoint whoever they want. forget the show.

I contributed money from my two-bit disability check (far too much). I volunteered on the campaigns. I fought for a new leader. However yes, you've got it - a total waste and I stupidly had "faith". Faith in what? I do not even know any longer.

What is the point? There is no point.

It is really pissing me off - just another email arrived telling me to "cheer up". :grr:

I am not depressed over this - reality has sunk in finally.

The system is in full control.

1984 hath arrived!

The goddamn spineless wimpy-assed Democratic Party "leadership" let us get fucked up the ass.

Black box voting? What the FUCK? Who in their goddamn right mind let this happen???? WE all tried to stop it! Where was the Democratic Party on this issue?

They should have used every means at their disposal to BLOCK the use of this in 2004.

1. We shall overcome
We shall overcome
We shall overcome some day
Chorus:
Oh deep in my heart
I do believe
We shall overcome some day


2. We'll walk hand in hand
We'll walk hand in hand
We'll walk hand in hand some day
Chorus:

3. We shall all be free
We shall all be free
We shall all be free some day
Chorus:
4. We are not afraid
We are not afraid
We are not afraid today
Chorus:
5. We are not alone
We are not alone
We are not alone today
Chorus:

6. The whole wide world around
The whole wide world around
The whole wide world around some day
Chorus:

7. We shall overcome
We shall overcome
We shall overcome some day
Chorus:

hoping for an end to Vietnam ...

It was a different time and a different place.

America will never return to the 1960s.

The 60s are history!

Now we live in 2004 and you know what, it ain't worth fighting for anymore because you cannot fight the * machine.

TO HELL WITH IT!

friend is in the service.

I can't quit fighting. I respect everything you have done, and your feelings about now, but I'll have to live with myself.

the young people today have to rise up and fight for their own lives. I hope they will take up the charge.

I tried talking to a few - many are so damn apathetic .... re: Abu Ghraib I was told, "Oh I can't watch that - it upsets me". Another young man - "Well the gov't has no effect on my life!" (hint dude: you have an SS # don't you? They OWN your ass idiot).

I am very disappointed. Many of these young people voted for * and why I will never know.

For those overseas fighting the bullshit war, well all I can say to them is that I hope you live through it and don't end up with an limb or three missing and not poisoned like my grandfather had been poised in WWI.

Don't doubt my patriotism one bit.

I am truly a patriot. My father, a WWII Marine Corps hero would be so fucking disgusted that I am glad he is long dead for this would have killed him. He figured that his generation had "taken care of all of that crap" so the generations that followed would be safe and free. So much for that thought Dad I say to you now. I wonder if he hears me as I say this to him. I am thinking he does and to think how much blood was spilled for us, yes, you and me and it seems to all be in vain now as is the blood being spilled now.

War without end = our future.

I have been politically active since entering high school in 1967. In those years I have certainly experienced those special moments of victory - and by gawd those sweet times are still cherished and fondly remembered. But the truth of the matter is that, having chosen to be a person of the left, through the years I have known far more defeats than victories. Frankly, because of the reactionary times in which we live, lost battles have been my lot. Even so, I can honestly say that I have never experienced a left in America that was as powerful and as organized as I saw over the past eighteen months. I am convinced that what we saw on Tuesday was not the last harrah of the left, but rather the signal of it's rebirth in America. During this election the left for the most part at last spoke with our own voice, not relying on surrogates to carry forth a watered-down message that bore little similarity to our own. I am excited by the institution-building that has taken place and by the more than 55 million votes that responded affirmatively to our message.

There is no denying that because of what happened on Tuesday that things bad are about to become worse. But neither is this South Africa in the 1960's. Our organizations have not been banned nor our leaders cast into prison or worse. Ask Nelson Mandela whether or not it is time for despair in America. For those of us on the left, these days are indeed the prelude to the times that we have been waiting for. Our opening is just ahead if we only have the guts to move smartly forward. In the next couple of years we have to prepared to fight these neo-fascist reactionaries tooth and nail, defending the hard-won gains of the past even as we work together to develop an attractive vision of the future. It must not be forgotten that prior to the invasion of Iraq the left organized the largest anti-war demonstrations in the history of the world. And we can and must do it again. Tomorrow we must begin anew the task of organizing, taking to the streets, letting our voices be heard, and giving backbone to our allies and friends within the halls of Congress. The time for mourning must pass quickly so that we can move from sorrow to resistance to victory.

No retreat. No surrender.

and yeah, I was alive then too and yeah, I fought that fight too. However, technology is killing us. Can you not see that?

You might consider: Modern Man in Search of His Soul by C. Jung. It points to this whole plan. Too bad no one paid attention.

You are fighting a useless fight. How can you win against a machine? That is what I'd like to know. HOW?

Listen to the message in his text, don't get caught up in the methods. Do you really think that there were 3.5 million stolen votes spread out over the entire country? I don't - we simply need to heed the lessons of history and know that when the time is right, our truth will prevail. Until then - fight, fight fight! And yes, I do think we should get to the bottom of this new voting machine issue - but it doesn't mean that we don't have work to do - we clearly do.

Have you heard what Mandela has been saying?

I'm sure that he is condemning what happened on Tuesday - and rightfully so. But I doubt seriously that he is saying that it is time to give up hope.

I would not be surprised if there is never another presidential election at all.
They will just declare them selves the supreme leaders and cancel the constitution.

and the next four years - to hell with Thomas Jefferson and all of these flowery quotes going around.

We are screwed!

They are the supreme leaders and if you don't like it, well then fuck off. That is what we have been told and you know what, I now totally believe it.

WHO CARES WHAT YOU THINK?

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First of all we are at war. And for whatever reason, many people feel that its not good to kick out a President during war. And Bush was incumbent. That alone gave him an advantage. Trust me, in my office all the Bush supporters in 2000 were beating their chests and gloating in victory. This time all was quiet. A lot of people who voted for Bush did so unenthusiastically. And for a Democrat from a very Liberal New England State, Kerry sure got a lot of votes! Americans do not like one party systems. They never have. They gave bush the benefit of the doubt the first time. They will see now what an out of control GOP can do, and I have a feeling a lot of people are not going to like it.

Aren't you always?

because for me, democracy died 4 years ago, and as the black-hooded angry mob marched up the steps to vote, I was so disappointed, because WHO IN THE HELL WAS GOING TO COUNT THEIR VOTES? If we sit back and let the ones who are in charge count our votes, we are well and truly fucked. They took over the system 4 years ago, so I had plenty of doubt that this was going to be much better... and it wasn't. It was worse, because they own these nifty new machines and can do a whole lotta stealing without anyone being the wiser, because it's all so spanking clean.

Democracy died 4 years ago when the Soopreme Kort stepped up and robbed us of our vote. What happened Tuesday is just further proof for anyone who needed it.

and Shame on Me ...

fooled me once, shame on me

fooled me twice, won't be fooled again ... ah F U C K !!!!