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renoray Donating Member (194 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 04:03 PM
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How do we get the party to not support an incumbant DINO?
Is there a way to get the party as a whole to support, and fund progresive Democrats in primaries to unseat incumbant Democrats that are not a part of the Democratic wing? It seems like the Democrats will support people like Lieberman all the way to the end. We just can't afford another Zell Miller. Miller wasn't bad because he defected, but because he was allowed to represent the party in the first place, when he obviously wasn't on our side. Joe(and many others) fit that bill to a tee. Can we just tell guys like this to leave?
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oldtime dfl_er Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 04:05 PM
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1. whew for a minute there I thought you meant Rossi
The thug who wants to be governor of Washington, Dino Rossi. Since I don't watch news anymore I don't even know if there's a winner in that race. Gregoire was hanging on by a couple thou last I heard.
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 04:05 PM
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2. No, power does not surrender without a struggle
Edited on Sat Nov-06-04 04:05 PM by sangh0
Can we just tell guys like this to leave?

If you want progressive candidates, you have go out and work to get them on the ballot. It takes time, money, and effort, and our opponents have plenty of all three.

You don't win by finding people to dump. You win by finding people to support you and your allies.
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 04:11 PM
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3. Strategery
(sic)

On the one hand I agree. What good are these Democrats if they vote the Republican position? We need Democrats who will stand up for our values!

But what is a DINO? Arkansas Dem Blance Lincoln voted to confirm a judicial nominee who had once written a tract that a woman should be subservient to her husband. Why is Lieberman a DINO and why do you see him going the way of Miller?

The other thing is, if the Dems can take back the Senate in two years, we get the prime spots on the committees regardless if some of ours vote Republican sometimes. If we put a liberal Dem up in a Red state, the Dem may lose and then we'll have some one even worse in the Senate.

Anyway, there is a group dedicated to electing "good" Democrats
http://www.americasdemocrats.org/
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 04:11 PM
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4. We've just lost 3 senate seats and your 1st response is to attack
Edited on Sat Nov-06-04 04:12 PM by Rowdyboy
other senate Democrats? We can BARELY, possibly, maybe mount a sucessful filibuster right now and you want to further purge the senate party of its moderates? Okay...
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renoray Donating Member (194 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 04:42 PM
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5. The filibuster problem
I should have covered the filibuster in this post, but I didn't. You are right that we need to be concerned about a further slip. I certainly recognize that a further slide could be the complete end of having any power anywhere, but I also think that will happen if we continue to entrust the party to a combination of wimpy liberals who sit on their hands and won't stand up for us and Republican-lite Dems who vote as much with the Republicans as they do with us. I don't think we will make gains by standing by more of the same. It might be a slower loss than shakinging things up, but we'll lose just the same. It could be an even faster loss if we have defectors that pull the rug out from under us while we are still trying to put together a solid long-term plan. I am not encouraging that we eat our own, but that we replace the bad with the better and stronger, and it seems like our party is currently constructed to do the exact opposite. How do we change that? How do we get our best candidates into the best position?

I did cover the problem of losing more seats here...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=105&topic_id=1951984&mesg_id=1952289
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