Green party Cobb calling for investigation in Oh

... but where is Kerry. I guess he didn't have our backs after all. Color me disillusioned. Again.

11/5 - Green Party 2004 presidential candidate David Cobb today called for a thorough investigation of reports of voting fraud, suppression and disenfranchisement.

“It’s Florida all over again. Except this time, it’s Ohio where the person responsible for counting votes is chair of the state Bush campaign. Once again there are widespread reports of intimidation, mis-marked ballots and the targeted disenfranchisement of African American voters. It’s very possible the election has been stolen for the second time in a row and again the Democrats have conceded rather than standing up for the right to vote and the right for people’s votes to count,” said Cobb

I mean, after what the media did during the 2000 recount and with the Brooks Brothers Repub. rent-a-riot, perhaps Kerry thinks it would look more innocous to have the Greens do this.

after what we had to go througn in 2000 with all of those shock troops called out and them fighting it in the media, to go to ground as soon as it became evident and start gathering the proof.

one can only hope.

robbed him in Georgia, even after they found the file named "robgeorgia" on the computer? Like that?

I'm gay, trust me - I have lots of experience with dem politicians not sticking up for those that support them.

don't you think that if Kerry were to cry "Foul" the media would just say the fraud charge was merely the whining of a sore loser? I think these charges will be taken more seriously if they are not perceived that way. Just my thoughts.

they would react. It would be a story, at least. Which is better than it is now with everyone in the press playing them all off as "glitches" that just happen to favor Bush in every instance.

Here's what is going to happen when it's all said and done. NOTHING. And just like in 2002 and this election, we will have the same problems in 2006 and 2008.

just like it did to Gore, who IMO still hasn't recovered. It was enough for most people to start thinking of * as the winner, even if it was subconcious. I know Gore voters in 2000 who were tired of him by December.

Polls, even ones taken shortly before this election show 45% of voters still thought of Bush as an illegit president (NYT poll Oct '04). This was consistent since day one of the 2000 debacle.

but by December, people were tiring of it. It was dragged out in what would everntually be a losing battle.

In what way, specifically?

* was there, picking his cabinet; he simply LOOKED like the winner. After Gore retracted his concession, it wasn't the same. It was a losing battle at that point. The media ate him up and spit him out. It didn't perpetuate the fraud charges; it just made Gore look like a crazy, sore loser, even if he was completely justified.

It probably hurt him emotionally, too. He disappeared out of public life for a long time. You don't simply run for president, then stay out of public life for for an extended period if you're not affected.

was the problem - not the fact that he stood and fought (but just barely). Now it's Kerry's turn to conceed as fast as possible I guess. Damn right it makes them look like losers - because they are telling everyone they are losers.

He should have said, let's wait for all the votes to be counted. If Bush wants to declare victory I have no problem with that. My concession will come after the votes are counted, out of respect for the 53 million who stood in line for hours to vote for me.

I'm just giving Kerry the benefit of the doubt. I think he had (or has) access to information that we don't. If and when he gives a statement on why he conceded, I'll make my decisions then.

I stand by my statement that the media would have chewed him up and spit him out. Ideally, yes, a candidate shouldn't give up until all the votes are counted. But they are being counted, Kerry said that, and they will continue to be.

But this isn't a case like 2000, where it was obvious paper ballots were lost/thrown out on a massive scale, where the mistake was pretty obvious. This time, it was primarily the Diebold machines. They don't just misplace votes, they can't simply be recounted, they disappeared into thin air, where it could have been corrected if Florida had had an impartial governor and staff. Those votes are gone forever. We'll never know how many votes each person got, and there's no way to know. If there's no paper trail, there's no chance. We can prove they were fraudulent, but we can't prove to what degree, or if it would have changed the ultimate outcome. I think Kerry understood that, and I'll continue to believe that until he says otherwise.

just as long as someone does.

Perhaps he's talking about Diebold, but Diebold sales weren't very strong in Ohio.

Wake up! If there really is fire with this smoke, the Democrats AREN'T the ones to point it out. It would immediately be spun as sour-grapes attempts to steal the election.

That Rove sure is clever, ain't he? Am I missing something here? Do we have anything to lose at this point?

The minute Kerry says boo the Brooks Brothers will be back in Ohio pounding on walls. I have no idea if Kerry is secretly keeping tabs or planning a vacation in Gstaad, but I can wait a week to get mad at him.

I'm not mad at him yet, just disappointed. This is all going to go down the memory hole before it even gets any press. Sigh.