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junker Donating Member (403 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 06:19 PM
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Every vote may not be counted. But every dollar is. Want revenge?
Every vote may not be counted but every dollar is.

Want revenge? then fuck them with money!

That is where the outraged and pissed off people have power. In nickels and dimes.

You have donated up the ass to the democratic party to get a wimp-out (kind way of saying democrats got 'boned' by the bonesmen).

So, want revenge?

Here is just one way to get it....

the pressure is now on the major 4 banks currently controlled by AL. Greenspan for the bushcabal. These banks are the prime derivatives creators with derivatives totaling 4 times the global product (all gdps of all countries). This derivative monster will crash anyway, is crashing now and is taking your dollars down to hell (purchasing power wise the dollar has lost 1/3 in last year and it is losing more faster now that the Rothshields Banking Gruppe have pulled the plug on dollar support). These banks have been suppressing the price of gold to keep you ignorant of how badly the dollar purchasing power has erroded. And that was before high oil prices.

These banks are massively short (selling things they don't own on paper and driving down the price only to buy them later at less money) on both gold and silver.

There is a GLOBAL effort underway by liberated minds everywhere to
'1) protect their PPA (personal puny assets) from the emerging global collapse of the global reserve currency (i.e. the USofA Dollar) by buying gold which is now closed over 430 US dollars to the ounce and which will rise many many many more times its current value over the next year as the dollar dies. By the way, in just the last 3 years of Bushdom, gold is up 67% inspite of the price rigging.

2) help send the bushcabal to hell via their one true vulnerability, money. If these banks are pressured by ANY increase in physical demand for gold or silver bullion, they will NOT be able to meet their short projections and they will collapse. At the same time that the price of gold/silver soars. Gonna happen anyway as these banks are failing now due to derivatives.

IN FACT they are collapsing now...any doubters just pull up the dollar chart and check out when the slide began....co-incident to Kerry's concession speech....mighty odd timing eh?

Well, the word is out in global financial circles that the powers that be (TPTB) have pulled the plug on the dollar to cripple the bushies economically for stealing the election. And politically by driving american citizenry or sheeple to debt collapse and national bankruptcy.....

it is happening right now. Only takes the opening of the mind to the data to see it.....dollar chart - www.ino.com - last 4 years


so, what do you do? Want to protect your puny assets as well as avoid the collapse of the primary export from the USofA which is financial instruments of dubious value.

SO buy a gold coin on monday. Should cost you about 456 or more by then for an ounce.
Can't afford that? Buy half an ounce. Or a quarter or tenth.
Can't afford that? then skip lunch and buy a silver bullion coin at 7.50 an ounce. That will be worth many many many times its current value as well. Don't matter who you buy from as every purchase of a physical gold or silver coin, fucks the bushies in 3 different financial ways.

The hindoos, the shinese, the indonesians, the arabs, everybody in the world is feasting on the gold being sold at cut rate prices by the Federal reserve Banksters in their attempt to keep you ignorant as to the true state of affairs of the USofA Dollar. Which is dying anyway now that there is no longer foreign central bank support for american dollars.

No reason to let all the foreigners get the cheap stuff (before it goes way up).....so buy some of the gold that Uncle Sugar is stealing from Ft. Knox and Annapolis and selling secretly while it is still cheap.

Remember, the ONLY reason to think the USofA dollar is sound is to have confidence in the goverment, and the citizenry.

So ask yourself one question, do you have faith in either, now?

well, neither do the foreigners, that is why they are scarfing up your gold while you sit on your fat deluded ass.

I kid you not. Fair warning. World changed on Nov 3. Get with it or get run over by it.
No relation to nor no profit for me personally from any gold sale. So anyone tell you I am merely a shill for gold bugs or dealers is deluding you with labels....seem familiar.

Do as you choose but don't come bitching to me when I am correct, and your dollars ain't worth toilet paper and all the republicans have all the real money (*gold and silver coin).

It is no co-incidence that republicans, right wingers, and religious extremists and corporate extremists are all gold owners.


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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 06:23 PM
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1. Everytime the price of gold goes up
gold salesmen come out of the woodwork.

Never fails.

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junker Donating Member (403 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 06:41 PM
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3. i don't sell gold. Labels again. Gotta learn to look behind the labels
people.

throughout history, otherwise known as the cumulative total sum of all conspiracies, both successful and failed (the only kind we learn about) the only recourse the private individual had against the machinations of the powerful, was a personal stash of value from labor over the years.

Look to Thomas Jefferson who decried the rise of 'national banking interests' as the damnation of all democracies into dictatorships. Or Woodrow Wilson, famed signer of the Federal Reserve Act in virtual secrecy upon completing the act he is heard to say, 'may history forgive me for I have sold the American people into slavery'...


now, let me ask all who are holding gold? You be slaves?

OK, now, hands up out there...who is the slave to credit cards? To a wage? To health care.......

thank you. Point made.

Labelers are brain-dead zombie buzzkills parroting the talking points their master-bater Rove wants them to remember.

First, people who would decry my brief warning /call to action here, learn to discipline your own mind as I refuse to continue to slay the unarmed and un-witted.

If ten thousand people buy one ounce of gold and take it off the market, that is stash it away, an entire block is removed from play. This, due to the propensity of fractional reserve (margin purchase/sales) is greatly magnified in a market that is as small as is the gold/silver markets. Somewhere, in a world of tighening supplies and rising prices for ALL commodities (*look to the K wave and the impact of wheat prices in 1929-1933), those ounces would have to be obtained and some bank will lose money buying them to deliver to you (back filling the bullion channel actually). This one action will start a market price correction not due to the actual impact of the 10k ounces bought, but rather due to the sudden appearance of 10 thousand new customers in a market that is tightly controlled and manipulated which is NOT prepared for a rise in anything, or a change in anything. So the back fill will have a huge impact on all the calcs used to price shorting lease rates. After all what if those 10 k people show back up again? And what if they brought their friends?

Bear in mind, TPTB and the Federal Reserve bank would just as soon the gold market go away forever and leave them to paying you with electronic credits for your hard work....

say, did you feel it just then? Even the labelers out there probably noticed it. The price of insurance just went up again. Opps, there goes the price of milk. And gas....now why do you suppose that is?

Is it cause the long term price of oil is going to fall? How bout the geopolitical situation? going to get better tomorrow now that Prince Bushies got the throne for another 4 years? I think not....that is why gold goes up and paper dollars go down in value....


so any labelers out there care to 'splain how the confidence in the world situation, the dollar, and the USofA gov is gonna get better and actually create a recovering economy? Eh? Walk your talk loud mouth whores for the papercurrency establishment.....feels good to be labeled, don't it.

Ok all you paperwhores, start flapping them gums you use to suck off your paperpushing masters who have you so brainwashed you actually think that it did NOT matter that Kerry was a bonesman....
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Mike Niendorff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 06:25 PM
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2. oh fer chrissake.

Yeah, jump onboard with RW gold-bug conspiracy theorists. That'll help. Then, after you've done that, they can introduce you to their OTHER theories about how paper money -- excuse me : "fiat currency" -- is really part of a secret plot by communists and "the International Bankers" (wink wink nudge nudge) to destroy God-Fearing American Families and institute a worldwide communist takeover.

Spare me this crap.

:eyes:


MDN

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orwell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 07:14 PM
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7. You may be in for...
an October surprise

October 2005.

FWIW these banks ARE massively short gold. And I'm no goldbug. But that in and of itself doesn't mean gold has to rise. A short squeeze would be nasty however.

Also, the dollar topped the day of Georgie's Axis of Evil SOTU address. Go look at a chart.

BTW...Others who are massively short the dollar..."conspiracy theorists" like George Soros and Warren Buffet.

But then, what do they know...
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Mike Niendorff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 07:31 PM
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8. I'm not arguing short or long

I'm just saying that markets simply and emphatically do not function the way that the gold bugs want to believe they do. Every time gold goes up, they claim this is a revelation from God about the univeral and supreme value of shiny rocks. Every time it goes down, they get quiet for a while, and try to figure out who's conspiring against them this time.

They're like people at a roullette wheel who've got a "tried and true system" : always bet black. If black hits, they're suddenly geniuses in their own minds, and their system is "once again validated". Conversely, if the wheel hits red or 0/00, then it must be rigged and the house must be crooked. Key point is, their assumptions are never to be questioned, their system is absolute and infallible truth, and anyone who says otherwise is an apologist for the house conspiracy (which inevitably will involve "communists" and "the international (Jewish) bankers" and ... well, you get the picture).


MDN
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orwell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 08:16 PM
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9. Not
As I said, I am not a gold bug. But many points he makes are valid.

The dollar is going down. Alot.

The banks are heavily short, almost absurdly so.

The derivatives market is a ticking time bomb.

Does w + x + y = z. Of course not.

Can I make money off current market interrelationships? Been doing it for almost 25 years. That's how its done in the real world. Ask John Murphy about it.

Why do you think "Mr. America" himself - Warren Buffet - is shorting the dollar so aggressively?
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Mike Niendorff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 08:21 PM
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10. sorry, then perhaps I misunderstood you

As I said, my issue isn't with people who are short the dollar (I would be too, if I had any money to invest, which I don't). It's the conspiracy theory stuff that people show up here trying to piggyback onto every downward move in the dollar (or upward move in the commodities markets) that I strongly take issue with. That's all I'm saying. If that isn't you, then I apologize for lumping you in with the original poster. My fuse is just a bit short right now when it comes to seeing RW propaganda injected onto this site, for obvious reasons.


MDN

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orwell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 11:15 PM
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12. No Problemo...n/t
I
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junker Donating Member (403 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 06:48 PM
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4. Man, all these paper money whores shilling for Al greedspan make me
want to puke. They are so ignorant. Let is start a comparison in economic theory/history reading lists. Let us start comparing actual data including rising commodity prices in a cyclic fashion opposed the 20 year cycle in equities/paper. Do you not realize that things move in cycles or is it that you wish to live in denial? If so, you got a good start. Now go get your pole and start fishing up that river.

The fact of the matter is that Bucky Fuller was one of the first to quantify the cyclic duality of the markets flopping between paper and resources (20 years m/l - see critical path by b.fuller). However, even Kondatief referenced it.

So where is the arguement for paper resources?

Well, the dollar sure has held its value in my lifetime. I remember when a gallon of gasoline was 14 cents. So tell me, in the intervening years, has that gas actually increased so much in value and 'performance' that it has risen in price? Or is it that the 'value' of the paper currency has dropped?

the latter I think. Or if not, then we would all be paying 5 cents for a loaf of bread....

ok, all the labelers are hereby challenged to lay out the last 5 economics books that they read so that I can quiz them on it, otherwise shut up with the labels an present arguements to prove me wrong....

basically stop debating like a bush.

got a wire in your ear? Or one up your ass?
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ethereal Donating Member (191 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 06:55 PM
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5. before you shoot the messenger
do your own research. what you find may surprise you.
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Mike Niendorff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 07:11 PM
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6. I'm fully aware of these crackpot theories

I was raised by an insanely right-wing father who bought into this nonsense hook, line and sinker. Aside from the fact that it's blatantly anti-semitic and a favorite conspiracy theory among those who see "communist conspiracies" under every rock, it also happens to require an audience whose understanding of basic economics wouldn't fill the average thimble. Peddle it elsewhere.


MDN
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 08:23 PM
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11. Please add some of your thoughts and ideas here:
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 11:22 PM
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13. Sorry - I've got a Root Canal next week.
And I had to borrow money to pay for it.

What worries me is what's going to happen to the people in poverty and near-poverty. I've seen church donations declining dramatically in the last year - people are really tapped out.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 11:26 PM
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14. My money spigot is turned off for a long time.
It was only a drip anyway, but now it's pretty much off, period.
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harpo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 10:29 PM
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15. I'm in...spending less in the next 4 years!
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