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leftyandproud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-07-04 08:08 AM Original message |
To those who want out of social security...Why not let them go?? |
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Vickers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-07-04 08:09 AM Response to Original message |
1. They will squander the money, then expect the gubmint to take care |
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leftyandproud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-07-04 08:11 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. too bad |
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radwriter0555 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-07-04 09:46 AM Response to Reply #1 |
24. The $$ will be BACKED by the US govt, meaning YOU and ME with OUR tax |
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Born Free (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-08-04 04:48 AM Response to Reply #1 |
53. It will work like an "open union shop" |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-07-04 08:10 AM Response to Original message |
2. It would cut benefits for the people getting checks now. |
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MSgt213 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-07-04 08:11 AM Response to Original message |
3. You can't be serious. A simple solution. No we got attach all kind of |
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leftyandproud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-07-04 08:21 AM Response to Reply #3 |
8. I want out NOW |
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NewHampshireDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-07-04 08:36 AM Response to Reply #8 |
12. I'd like to see the math on that ... |
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bleedingheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-07-04 08:51 AM Response to Reply #8 |
14. I view it as part of my diverse portfolio |
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snippy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-07-04 09:17 AM Response to Reply #8 |
18. Your math is way off. The "nestegg" would be $300,000 if you made monthly |
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leftyandproud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-07-04 10:27 AM Response to Reply #18 |
25. figure that with the 12% average please |
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leftyandproud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-07-04 10:29 AM Response to Reply #18 |
26. by the way...even with the lesser numbers you used.. |
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snippy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-07-04 11:03 AM Response to Reply #26 |
30. It will all depend on the details of the plan. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-07-04 01:20 PM Response to Reply #26 |
35. Medicare |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-08-04 06:19 AM Response to Reply #26 |
57. Um...NO... they want medicare shitcanned too.. One illness |
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Joy Anne (830 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-07-04 09:21 AM Response to Reply #8 |
19. Where are you planning to get 5% interest? |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-08-04 02:22 AM Response to Reply #19 |
49. Listen to this CD and bond seller |
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Joy Anne (830 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-08-04 06:03 AM Response to Reply #49 |
55. CDs and bonds |
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OneTwentyoNine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-07-04 10:32 AM Response to Reply #8 |
28. Pssst...Put the money in Enron...its a company down in Houston |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-07-04 01:13 PM Response to Reply #8 |
34. They're screwing with your head |
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Carolab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-08-04 03:10 AM Response to Reply #8 |
50. Did you forget BushCo |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-08-04 06:13 AM Response to Reply #8 |
56. Excuse me... "When the babyboomers DRAIN the system"??? |
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The Zanti Regent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-08-04 07:39 AM Response to Reply #8 |
59. Gee, what happens if you have a stroke and are disabled next month? |
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mrbill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-07-04 08:18 AM Response to Original message |
5. preachers can weasle out of social security........ |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-07-04 11:35 PM Response to Reply #5 |
42. No, preachers do not get out of Social Security |
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mrbill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-07-04 11:50 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. some are exempt if they fill out a form............ |
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Carolab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-08-04 03:16 AM Response to Reply #42 |
51. Right--I'm self-employed |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-08-04 02:19 AM Response to Reply #5 |
48. Most school teachers |
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NewHampshireDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-07-04 08:19 AM Response to Original message |
6. I don't believe that Social Security's best feature is that it protects .. |
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leftyandproud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-07-04 08:25 AM Response to Reply #6 |
10. You won't have the option to squander it.. |
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NewHampshireDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-07-04 08:47 AM Response to Reply #10 |
13. Again, your numbers are a more than a little suspect ... |
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leftyandproud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-07-04 08:58 AM Response to Reply #13 |
15. historical average is 12% |
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snippy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-07-04 09:36 AM Response to Reply #15 |
23. With a 12% annual return compounded monthly a worker making |
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Starlight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-07-04 07:52 PM Response to Reply #15 |
40. 12% average? You are dreaming! That's not even close. n/t |
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snippy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-07-04 09:30 AM Response to Reply #13 |
21. The numbers are not suspect, they are wrong. Way wrong. n/t |
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leftyandproud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-07-04 10:31 AM Response to Reply #21 |
27. so the numbers are wrong.. |
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NewHampshireDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-07-04 12:04 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. I call "bullshit" on you ... |
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leftyandproud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-07-04 06:15 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. HERE you go buddy. Check for yourself. |
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NewHampshireDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-07-04 07:43 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. Sorry, but your 12% figure, on which your whole argument is based |
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leftyandproud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-07-04 11:25 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. ahem |
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NewHampshireDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-08-04 05:41 AM Response to Reply #41 |
54. The Wilshire has only been around since 1974 ... |
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0007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-08-04 12:10 AM Response to Reply #37 |
47. I'll second it! |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-07-04 11:39 PM Response to Reply #27 |
43. No matter how big your nest egg is |
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LTRS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-07-04 08:19 AM Response to Original message |
7. Because then the rest of us have to pay their share |
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Malva Zebrina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-07-04 08:21 AM Response to Original message |
9. same theme, different time |
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bleedingheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-07-04 08:26 AM Response to Original message |
11. The Grasshopper and the Ant... |
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One_Life_To_Give (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-07-04 09:00 AM Response to Original message |
16. What percentage would squander it? |
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Malva Zebrina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-07-04 09:25 AM Response to Reply #16 |
20. I can understand a young person getting into a panic |
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wishlist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-07-04 09:14 AM Response to Original message |
17. Noncontributors will still demand financial and medical help from govt |
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mainer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-07-04 09:32 AM Response to Original message |
22. Make them sign a pledge when they leave |
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CornField (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-07-04 10:32 AM Response to Original message |
29. For the same reason we don't let those with adult children stop paying |
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Malva Zebrina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-07-04 01:04 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. Or for bridges they will never ever use, or highways they would never |
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demokatgurrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-07-04 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
31. Because they have an obligation to their elders. |
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American Tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-07-04 07:47 PM Response to Original message |
38. Well, it would be hard to keep the current system |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-07-04 07:51 PM Response to Original message |
39. It destroys the system. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-07-04 11:45 PM Response to Original message |
44. If you're any kind of a lefty, you should have figured out by now |
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T Bone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-07-04 11:47 PM Response to Original message |
45. If that is how it ends up everyone who leaves should also FORFEIT |
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hecate77 (150 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-08-04 03:39 AM Response to Original message |
52. There is one reason, and one reason only that they want to game SS |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-08-04 07:16 AM Response to Original message |
58. I don't think most of you have a clue about the effect of SS |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-08-04 09:37 AM Response to Reply #58 |
60. exactly.. it's another bush-family scam |
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