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Sticky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 11:59 AM
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Americans look to move north
In what's being called "backlash" by fervent Democrats, Canada's immigration Web site - canada.gc.ca - is flooded with a record number of visits from U.S. residents dismayed over the election results. Immigration lawyers also are busy with calls about moving to Canada.

Many people are doing more than just casual surfing, said Maria Iadinardi of the Citizenship and Immigration Department.

"The most-visited pages were the skilled worker online self-assessment pages to see if they'd meet the selection criteria," she said.

A new record was set within hours of Bush's acceptance speech as six times more Americans than usual at the site, amounting to 115,016 hits.

The waiting time to move is shorter if you're married to a Canadian, for which help is available at www.marryanamerican.ca, a satirical site also being inundated by visitors.

http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/mld/myrtlebeachonline/news/nation/10120843.htm
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Quadrajet Donating Member (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 12:02 PM
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1. Ugh, bad mistake!
I suppose most of the people moving are Dem (or 3rd party) supporters, which means we're losing even more of our base. It really sucks.
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 12:09 PM
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2. not really
I would guess they will continue working on behalf of our cause because they would want to return some day.


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jpatti Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 12:18 PM
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3. Americans living abroad can still vote...
...can still donate to candidates, can still speak out and still be active.

The appropriate analogy is whether you try to save the ship or when you see it's a foregone conclusion that the ship is going to sink and it's time to hit the lifeboats. People differ on how bad this is.

I have frankly been discussing when will it be "too late" to save the ship for almost two years now. I was devastated by this election and I feel my country has died.

I may be wrong and I sure as hell hope I am. I admire those of you who choose to stay and fight - and hope my fears for you are not realized.

It's just... in all the history I've ever read, fascism has always been toppled from the outside, not the inside. I can't do anything to *help* if I go down with the ship.

I expect those of us who leave will remain in contact with those of you who remain... an underground railroad needs people on both the inside and outside.

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Sticky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 12:20 PM
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4. Knee-jerk reaction, grief, and a feeling of hopelessness
Once anger sets in the passion to stay and fight will return.

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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 12:49 PM
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6. Actually, most of the boys who fled to Canada during the Vietnam
era, never came back after they were pardoned. They had families in Canada and were happy with their new country.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 12:21 PM
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5. There's something about abandon one's country in it's most dire time
of need that strikes me wrong. I have this opinion that life was never meant to be easy, and that one of the ways you determine the worth of your existence on this planet is how you act and whether or not you defend your principals in the times of hardship and adversity. The struggle for life is constant and on-going. If you stop and consider that even a microscopic life form that you'd have to magnify four hundred or more times can drop you in your tracks, than you realize that there really is no safety factor at all. So why, when challenged to stand up for what's right and one's core beliefs, should it be considered honorable to jump ship? Thank God (or whoever or whatever you believe in) the founders of this country didn't think this way or we'd have no history of dignity and righteousness to look back on.

I don't know, it's just my opinion. This country was founded on the hard work and blood of the original 'Minutemen', people who lived here and had a dream of freedom and a better way of life.

Whatever. Just strikes me as strange.
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Nay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 01:30 PM
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8. Yes, but those Minutemen you refer to all had abandoned their
original countries (England, Scotland, Ireland, France, etc.) and came to this continent because of persecution in those home countries. Anyone who leaves this country now, to go to a place where they feel they will be freer, is only doing what the Minutemen did back then.

FWIW, my family has been here since 1670 and had at least two people in the Rev War, and I still feel that going to another country to escape persecution is a perfectly valid thing to do. After all, anyone who leaves can 1)still vote absentee, 2)be happy that he has stopped supporting the * economy, 3)be active on the internet.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 02:37 PM
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9. But when the persecutors followed them here, the drew the line in the sand
and fought it out. Eventually it comes down to that, you have to fight it out for what you believe in. I'm not saying guns and bullets, but feet on the ground protesting and fighting for what's right.

As for voting absentee, well we all saw what that was worth during this election, didn't we? Hell I voted absentee and now I feel like a complete jackass. I got took. Who knows what happened to those votes or how they really went.

Don't support bush*s economy. But the people on this board live and die by the economy in this country. It's our livelihood. I don't see where supporting another country's economy is a big selling point.

The internet is a great way to pass information along, to get out the truth. But it's going to be warm bodies in this country who make a difference. Not a 'voice' over the computer.

Oh, by the way, people in my family also fought in the Revolutionary War. On my mother's side some distant far off relative was a body guard to Washington during the Revolutionary War, and somehow was related to Benjamin Franklin. My great-grandfather fought in WWI, and a bunch of my family fought in WWII. I don't see that as any claim as to why I should be allowed to claim that as justification of anything. It's our turn now. They did their part, now we have to do ours.
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ayane-chan Donating Member (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 12:53 PM
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7. I'll follow Alec Baldwin wherever he goes!
If that means living in Canada as an illegal alien, so be it.
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