Proposed new term= "Christo-Fascists" AND Christian.

Christian is used when we are describing people like Jimmy Carter. Folks who have proven they know what it means to be Christian. Christo-Fascist is used for people like Jerry Falwell, and James Dobson.

I know there is some concern (and I believe justifiably so) about Christian bashing so we MUST distinguish. My friend, who is Christian and voted Kerry and attends a very moderate Methodist church (where he thinks over half voted Kerry) is a Christian.

I have an uncle who is a Christo-Fascist.

This is my suggestion for distinguishing the two. Fundie is just now too nice a word for what these people have in mind for us. It sound cuddly and cute. There will nothing cuddly and cute about the future they have in mind.

When you use the word Facist people think of the Nazis, and then dismiss
what you say because the comparison is over the top.

often enough, it becomes the truth (Bush has proved that lately)

We better start using the word because corporations are about 80% in control of the Government and everything else in this country already.

Technically we've been living in with Facism for awhile now.

That is what I like about Christo-Fascist. It never implies anything about being a Christian. You cannot be a Christian Totalitarian, they are mutually exclusive (IMO). Maybe Christo-totalitarian?

But the point is I want a way to identify that THEY verbally relate themselves to Christ without calling them Christian.

inherent in these people. And unfortunately you still use the full word Christian. I want to keep a tie to Christ but without using the word "Christian" which really isn't fair to any Christian.

It references to two violent organizations

It's dead-on accurate.

but I was thinking in terms of the uniformed listener.

They don't care when they do it. They're quite proud of it. They can say Massachusetts liberal 95 times an hour, but we cringe at the thought of saying Alabama Biblethumper. We gotta get some cajones.

"Christalitarians." Has a nice, oily ring to it. I like it...

I prefer that we NOT use any terms that are associated with Christians or religions or the religious as a whole. I would like to avoid the "C" word, in favor of phrases that more accurately describe who we are against. When firing, we should be using a snipers rifle, not a shotgun.

I am concerned that phrases likek Christ-fascists will confuse people who will then think that we believe that all Christians are fascists. I don't think we should link these people's beliefs to religion or Christianity because they are nothing of the sort.

Lakoff has written a book called "Don't think of an Elephant". His hypothesis is that when you argue against something, you often reinforce it becuase you are raising the issue in people's mind. In this case, we don't want them thinking about religion or Christianity. We want them to think about fascism, fanaticism, oppression, hate, etc...

BTW, Hezbollah is an Arabic word that translates into "Party of God". Appropriate, no?

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Lifestyle Christians: Christians who are involved in the "Christian Lifestyle" but otherwise do not practice the behaviors encouraged by Jesus Christ.

Neo-Pharasaism: Modern right-wing, high-octane, violence-obsessed, politically ambitious Christianity.

Jeebus Cripes: (Because I refuse to associate Jesus Christ with these ass clowns.)

Pornochristianity: Christianity where the repudiation of sexuality is itself sexual. Example: The Passion of the Christ.

Knees-to-Navel Morality: Morality that applies to sexuality only.

Spiritual B & D (Bondage to Dominionism): Self-explanatory. Also covers the master-slave relationship endorsed for heterosexual marriage and the enthusiastic corporal punishment of children.

Jesus-simple: (Also Jeebus-simple) Demented for Christ.

Tribal Christianity: The "us-vs.-them" aspect of modern Lifestyle Christianity.

Pagan Christianity: Intense supersitition among modern Lifestyle Christians, especially the use of prayer as magical incantations. Relates more to meso-paganism (viz. Bonewitz) than Wiccan and similar neo-paganism.

Godwashed: 1) Whitewashed with religion; 2) Brainwashed with religion.

Feel free to use them as you wish.

--bkl

it is important to make a distinction, even if it's only semantic, because labels pretty much drive our society. Personally, I like Talibornagains best.

and I think it will help get through to those people who are hypnotized that these people aren't interested in Christ's teachings, but in elitism and setting themselves up as superior to others.

The Reverend Richard Butler, deceased, has alread set up a Church known as the Church of the Aryan Nation.

Even if you are not religious (I'm not) I have seen people who truly live life in a way similar to what Jesus taught. Again, I think most easily of Jimmy Carter. If there were actually more Christians like him around I might be convinced there's something to it. But three are few: but in fairness I like Christo-fascist because it shows that these people associate themselve with Christ's name, but it excludes the world "Christian" from the definition. And let's fuckin' face it: they ARE fascists.

We need to call them what they are, not what they call themselves. If we identify them as "Christians" we smear the people of a great faith, just as others are happy to do with "Muslims" and "Jews."

And "Jeebus People" has a nice ring for satirical occasions.

Heck, maybe after awhile we can just drop the hyphen. Sounds smoother that way: Christofascists. Now that I type it out, it looks better too.

Spread the meme, this says it all.

the better I started realizing it looked without the hyphen.


Just look at the difference:

Christo-fascists

Christofascists


Seems to roll off the tongue more smoothly also without the hyphen.

christofascist

The other problem when you say Bible is that for Jews the Bible is simply the Old Testement. And so, in some ways when you use Bible you implicate all Jews. Not good. Jews went Kerry 5 to 1.


No, I'm convinced, the word is christofascist

Christofascist is better.

Xtian! They took the "Christ" out of Christianity, so I don't think we should honor them by using His name to describe them, EVER!

Christian? You see, my point is that I want to distinguish between Christans and christofascists. Your term Xtian has no zap of evil to it. Xtian could be like a Ford, or Chevrolet.

Christofascists is the meme.

that FLOW off of the tongue!

but I'm not bragging ;)

:hi:

on edit: oh, sig lines are still off. OK, its "STOP THE CHRISTOFASCISTS" as well as two others, a feminist and an enviro slogan.

You've earned the right to brag.

I first heard the term on c-span and it seemed to instantly fit. Although I've been writing it as Christo-fascist I also think it looks better if you take the hyphen out: Christofascist.

We must begin calling a spade a spade. We're in for a tough fight, fascists never give up easily.

I definitely believe in calling a spade a spade. Always hated nicey nice euphemism crap.

I could never be a diplomat. :D

and the repubs have been pretty masterful at manipulating it -- "death tax", etc. etc.

What do you propose we do? Throw flowers at them? Typical loser Democrat response.

the "fundies"

They are not the only people voting Republican. And when you start calling names you'll scare folks off. If you unleash great venom at Pentecostals and Baptists, don't be surprised if the Methodists and other more moderate groups get scared off. In the end you'll be left with only the Unitarians and Atheists, not enough to get elected. If you have a beef with Falwell or Robertson etc. keep it on a personal level. once you start calling groups of people names you'll only harm your cause

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tell :D. I have rethought my position since then - look at the next branch below and comment if you wish. Again, sorry for attacking you - I am trying to get a grip on this hijacking of the person (or Son of God if you wish) who was and is everything that they are not - it SO infuriates me that I cannot describe it without pumping adrenaline through my veins! :D

I have a problem calling people of certain beliefs Christian at all or using the word Christ anywhere in a label.

It really bothers me when He is blasphemed.

I certainly don't. They are fucking killers and they need to be described as such. Don't let these lying backstabbing anti-Christians use the name Christ then. Until we can get them to stop blapheming with his name, then we as good people are OBLIGATED to let them know how it is!!

That's why we DON'T want Christ's name to be associated with them IN ANY WAY

Call them the Republican Hezbollah or the Talibornagain, or something else, but if one of the syllables sounds like "Chris" or "Christ", you gonna make people think of religion when you want them to think about hate and fascism and bigotry.

It's like telling someone "Don't think of an elephant!" As soon as you say "elephant", they think of an elephant. When you say "Christ", they think of Christ and NOT the fascists.

I so desperately want to label these miserable rotten people for who they are. And part of what they are doing is the same as the Republicans do with their politics. They take our innocent and sometimes naive arguments and try to turn them into something awful. It's sickening when you see how many people here are opposed to violence or even to attacking our opposition. We MUST learn to vigorously rebut their vile arguments with phrases that everybody knows and that are repeated over and over again. We have seen how effective this has been for our opposition. I'll be damned (lol) if I can come up with a really on-point phrase to describe these folk that is easy to say and whose meaning is immediately obvious. I (or someone on DU) WILL come up with that phrase - and when we all agree on it, it's NO HOLDS BARRED!! We will grow this resistance one day at a time, one phrase at a time. But we will be victorious in the end - I have no doubt about that.

so desperately want to label these miserable rotten people for who they are.

We've got to nail them for they are. We'll get it.

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followers of Christ's teachings and followers of Christian dogma. A lot of people deliberately confuse the line between whats in the bible and the culture of people who were Christian. They try and act like returning to "old fashion values" is a return to Christianity. Jesus spoke against everything these major top heavy churches stand for, thats why they have to keep the focus of his teachings and the culture they proport. Acting like being for gay marriage is going against jesus, but building an empire isnt.. Its deliberate and about power, not religion.

We're losing the language game when fundamentalist and evangelical get confused or fundamentalist and Christian go hand in hand. Look at fundamentalists in absolutely any religion, they're not the best face for any group. I think we just need to do a better job of seperating out the fundamentalist from the large group of regular Christians. If we were as good at the language game people would autuomatically associate fundamentalist Christian with fundamentalist Islam and see how problematic it is, but sadly we're not.

My understanding is that many Fundamentalists (maybe as many as half) reject politics as being too "worldly" and don't vote. It's the evangelicals that are aggresive about their faith and politics. But with Evangelicals, many are swing voters and ticket splitters. IOW, they are not all rabid straight ticket repuke voters. A large portion of them vote Democratic.

IMO, people on DU focus too much on finding which specific sect is to blame when they should focus on the characteristics and offensive behaviors of these people.

We can't go on with each of us quietly living by our beliefs. We don't need to resort to shoving it down people's throats like the fundamentalists do but we can't go on letting them hijack our religion and claim the mantle of being the only True Moral Christians. Catch phrases might help carry the message but we need an actual movement behind it IMO.

...."Christo". The guy who likes to "wrap" stuff....

instead of rancor, intolerance, ugliness, bigotry...

But that was a while ago.

From the King James Version:

1 Corinthians 13

1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. 2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing. 3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing. 4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, 5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; 6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; 7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. 8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. 9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. 10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. 11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. 13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

There are still good Christians who seek to be Christ-like in thought and deed. The Dominionist believe God wants them to have dominion over the earth. They are the ones who hold the reins of power now. The owners of the voting machines and some of their key programmers are Dominionist.

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Instead. Let's be honest here. Three-quarters of those who turned out to vote their "christian" values did so in order to use the law and bible as a tool of oppression.

The ones who are decent don't seem to be the majority of christians anymore and should stop acting as though they are.

Cruel and Unusual. The core of the cabal behind Bush's rise are nothing short of fascists. Their claim is to reconstruct America as the "Christian" nation is was. You may hear the term Christian Reconstructionist bandied about. This is who they are. Loyalty oaths to Jesus to take public office is one of their end goals. Do a search on the Internet. Oh, by the way, you might want to buy a gun.

or Evangelicals for hating queers so much... is anyone here REALLY AND TRULY "confused" as to who it is that I'm referring to? Be honest now... do you think I'm talking about the Jimmy Carter version? Really? Unfuckingbelievable!

Whatever the label-du-jour happens to be... SOMEONE ELSE will be offended and start off on a crusade to ban *that* word... or they will try to come up with some *other* cutesy and clever word for the zealots.

I'm just not clever enough to keep up with all these trends.

Some things are just UNDERSTOOD! Some rants are just rants that don't need to be hyper-analyzed and hyper-parsed. But apparently it's WAY to difficult for many folks to read the ENTIRE message and take it IN CONTEXT! Eh?

If we were to all try to obey the trendy new PC bullshit of how to accurately describe the idiot Christians, we end up sounding like we're members of Monty Python's "People's Front of Judea" trying to come up with some PERFECTLY worded resolution.

No... an attack on one is not an attack on all. It's just an attack on one (or that segment).

Brings in their theocratic want-their-vision-of-god in government thing without suggesting they're really Christian. And includes the fascist aspect.

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They were sanctimonious posers more concerned with appearances than truth way back then, so why invent a new word for their current-day successors?

when you call them "radicals" or "extremists"

Shheeyit, even THEY understand it.

When you vote for death, suffering and an end to the world, you are an extremist. I don't care what country you come from.

have been using christofacist for the last few months - generally well received.

thats twhat they are. If the jackboot fits...

As far as "real Christians" go: I don't care what they think. They should have stood up and taken their religion back from the crazies a long time ago. Its probably too late now.

After all, there is a reason they aren't worried about that national debt.